I think Islanders are the dark horse of the East this season.

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I think they'll have one of the better bounce back years. I don't disagree with the OP.

The coaching change will be the crux .. it's not like they needed to get much stronger defensively. So how will they get more offense while being strong defensively as well? Should be interesting to see.
 
Yes, them.

5 less wins but one team got MUCH better and one stood pat

One team lost 8 games in a row with an ahl roster because they didn’t cancel games for Covid after starting on the road for 13 games.

I’m not sure if the isles bounce back but I’m sure as f*** not worried about the red wings lmao
 
Defense and Goaltending for the Wings is the very definition of suspect.

If they don't make it, it's going to point directly at them.
Is the offense of the Islanders going to be led by Brock Nelson again? Nevermind that Husso had great stats last season.

One team lost 8 games in a row with an ahl roster because they didn’t cancel games for Covid after starting on the road for 13 games.

I’m not sure if the isles bounce back but I’m sure as f*** not worried about the red wings lmao
I’d be willing to bet that both teams are very close in the standings, with both being out of playoffs.

Wings added Husso, Perron, Chiarot, Maatta, Copp

Isles added…. Cholowski?

If they can make the playoffs, then i see a lot of similarities to the 2017 pens. Neither have letang
Yeah Brock Nelson, Barzal, Lee are pretty much identical to Crosby, Malkin, Kessel
 
I think the aisles get about 85 points (no, I am not betting anything on that). Sometimes older teams have one last push for the finals/championship before it all collapses.
But when Pajama Boy left, I think 99% of the hockey world would have picked Toronto to have two appearances in the Conference Finals not the Islanders. The Islanders play (assuming it continues under Lambert) a grinding defensive style and you can probably squeeze out some extra points in that system versus a wide open fire wagon style.
 
Lack of activity isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

The same goes for Buffalo.

You don’t have to find chemistry in the same way as you might with teams that made wholesome changes and acquired guys who are used to lots of ice time but have to adjust to a new system.

Ottawa had made some big changes on paper but you don’t know how they’ll pan out on the ice.

It might give the Sabres and Islanders an
initial bump that could be very useful down the road.
 

Collapsed NY carriage horse was much older than reported:​

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P.S.: The horse is doing fine; living on a farm in upstate NY. Funny though, that’s the same thing my parents told me when I was six and our family dog started acting odd.
 
This is true.

I'm a Sharks fan first and the Isles are my second love and there are so many people on the Main Boards that beat up on the Isles. This place is just filled with Rags fans, Devils fans, Leafs fans who laugh at us.
I don't hate the Islanders, I pity them. I feel like they are repeating the same dance that the Devils did after 2012 Stanley Cup run.
 
I think any success they have really depends on Lambert. I think Trotz was propping up a pretty meh roster. I don’t expect Lambert to get the same out of them
 
We'll see. Gotta admit, I think there's a good chance Trotz was getting a not so amazing roster to run hot and that with the players tired of that level of defensive attention, they're going to backslide into the mushy middle.
 
Some pundits are writing off Islanders due to their lack of activity this off season but I think on paper they are much more competitive than people give them credit.

Starting off with offense. Many may look at the Islanders offense numbers from the last 2 seasons and "think" that this team lacks offensive talent but I think the numbers don't say the whole story. The Islanders numbers were deceivingly low simply because of highly restrictive defensive minded system Barry Trotz had them playing since he took the reins 3 years ago. Prior to that the Islanders were a top 10 offensive team but were horrible at defense. Trotz fixed that literally over night and the Isles became the stingiest team on defense but sacrificed offense as a result. Sure the Isles lost John Tavares but they added players like Palmieri, Pageau, Zach Parise, Kieffer Bellows, Wahlstrom, and Dobson. They also have prospects Aatu Ratu and Dufour waiting in the wings. The rest of the team prior to Barry Trotz was chock full of at least 20 point players in Barzal, Lee, Brock Nelson, Bailey, and Beavillier and these players are still here. Sure starting to show some of their age but all still well within their prime. In addition the "best 4th line in hockey" will still be intact going into next year. It was the latter players that beat teams such as the Florida Panthers and the Pittsburgh Penguins a few years back in their playoff runs. I think with the addition of the other players added since John Tavares this is a much much more offensively talented team than when JT was our captain. It was just the defensive minded game Trotz was having the team play that kept their offense under wraps.

Looking at the Isles defensive core. They have to have one of the best defenses in the league from the goaltender out. We didn't have Sorokin or Varlamov during the JT years. Pelech and Pulock were just entering their primes. Now we have the highly skilled Dobson, the explosive Romanov, stalwart bruiser Mayfield. They can have one of Salo, Aho, or Hutton filling in the last position. Subtracting Chara and Greene this year as they did and all of a sudden the Islanders have a much faster, younger defense and overall the team has become much younger overall compared to last year. If this is the year Sorokin takes over as the #1 goaltender this team will dominate on defense for years to come.

As ex-Pen's player Ray Whitney commented this summer:

"I'm telling you right now, you can talk all you want about the goaltender for the New York Rangers, but (explicit) Sorokin is sick on Long Island. I'm telling you the Islanders are going to be a team to be reckoned with this season."

"They're gonna be a (explicit) good team, man. Their whole season was the biggest collaboration of bad luck I've ever seen a team have. They had to start the whole season on the road, they all got Covid, no canceled games, and then all of a sudden they started canceling every team's games when guys got Covid. There was no chance they (could) come back (after all that). The roster the year before had gone to the Eastern Conference Final, actually both years before. The Islanders are very good and will be very good this year."

So the Islanders might not have done much this offseason in regards to the roster but I agree with Lou, the Islanders are a good team and maybe just needed a more balanced system to take them to the next level. We'll see how the year plays out.
1. Lane Lambert is a rookie head coach, who has worked under Trotz for his entire career. The offense isn't going to magically pickup because he will 100% follow the defense first mentality of Trotz.

2. They have signed literally no one that can help increase their offense. They are the same team, but might actually be worse than last year due to everyone around them getting better.

2. Ray Whitney never played for the Pens. Ryan Whitney on the other hand. So if you are going to quote someone as the crux of your comment, you should probably quote the right guy.

3. Ryan Whitney jumped on the NYI bandwagon a couple of seasons ago because of a bet.

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2. They have signed literally no one that can help increase their offense. They are the same team, but might actually be worse than last year due to everyone around them getting better.

While I understand this, it's not always so simple as sticking new players in and having them perform to the level they have previously. In the statistics pulled out of my ass department, most free agents or rookies don't automatically come in and be better than their predecessors or better than they were on a previous team.

Do I expect Johnny Gaudreau to help Columbus, of course. Do I expect most free agents playing in a system to suddenly adopt a new ssystem and be better than they were before while experiencing NO growing pains? Doubtful.

The Islanders got better in the offseason. They replaced two 40 year old LD men with two early 20's LD. That alone should help.
 
Their leading scorer had 59 points in a year where scoring was WAY up league wide. And they're in the metro, the top 3 are locked IMO. New York/Carolina/Pittsburgh, they'll be competing for a WC spot with teams like Washington, Boston, Columbus, New Jersey, Ottawa. 5 other teams and just 2 spots, very unlikely they will make the playoffs.
 
Is this the same Detroit who couldn't even finish with a better record than Buffalo last year?
Well as OP said, no, because Detroit was active in the offseason.

A question you can ask yourself is, “is this the same Islanders as last season?” The answer to that would be yes, because the Islanders did nothing this offseason.

And the Islanders finished closer to Buffalo than they did to a playoff spot last year.
 
Well as OP said, no, because Detroit was active in the offseason.

A question you can ask yourself is, “is this the same Islanders as last season?” The answer to that would be yes, because the Islanders did nothing this offseason.
Nobody who Detroit added will move the needle imo. Servicable players.

Except maybe Husso, but we've all been watching Blues goaltenders flame out on any other team for at least a decade now, so he's a lottery ticket at best.
 
Nobody who Detroit added will move the needle imo. Servicable players.

Except maybe Husso, but we've all been watching Blues goaltenders flame out on any other team for at least a decade now, so he's a lottery ticket at best.
And who are these players the Islanders signed who will move the needle for them?

Islanders fans keep bringing up addition by subtraction, but their defense wasn’t even that bad last year. Their problem was goal scoring, and they didn’t make any moves to address that.
 
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And who are these players the Islanders signed who will move the needle for them?

Islanders fans keep bringing up addition by subtraction, but their defense wasn’t even that bad last year. Their problem was goal scoring, and they didn’t make any moves to address that.
None. That's why I think both Detroit and the Isles will be in approximately the same boat as they were last season, relative to each other at least.
 
Is this the same Detroit who couldn't even finish with a better record than Buffalo last year?
Yes.

The same Detroit who added a new #1G, top line winger, two 2nd/3rd line wingers, and improved their brutal defensive depth.

Compared to:

The exact same NYI

I know it’s hard to believe as a NYI fan, but a team can actually improve in the off-season.

I’m very much expecting both to be out of the playoffs, but about the same in the standings.
 
Islanders fans keep bringing up addition by subtraction, but their defense wasn’t even that bad last year. Their problem was goal scoring, and they didn’t make any moves to address that.
The addition of offense was by subtracting Trotz. Full stop

Beyond a doubt Trotz system propelled the Islanders to great heights the last 3 seasons but it was one that focused on defense. All offense was generated by the forecheck only which goes against so much of the natural instincts of the Isles creative forwards that I think, and I think Lou thinks - was stifling. But no one’s going to complain if it got results- until it didn’t.

I believe the Islanders have one of the most potent offenses in the East once it’s unhinged. If you look at their numbers over the past 3 seasons the numbers will lie because it doesn’t reveal the full story. Prior to Trotz taking over the team the Isles were able to roll 4 lines and score by committee. The team you see in front of you has much more offensive potential than the time when JT was captain. Perhaps you forgot how Barzal really plays the game or never watched a Wahlstrom slapshot or a Pulock howitzer. We see the offensive instincts in Dobson and Bellows and we know the damage Lee, Nelson, Bailey, Palmieri, Pageau and Parise can dish out. We also know that our 4th line is able to score a dirty goal anytime in a game when they decide to turn on the offense. Who knows if they are going to call up Raty sooner than later.

Throw in Sorokin and a battering ram in Romanov who knows what energy those two will bring to the team?

This team is stacked and that’s what makes them a dark horse. A new system is coming into play this year we hope that allows for more creativity. The question will be will this balance between offense and defense be enough for the Isles to exceed the advantages Trotz’s defensive centric system offered? Time will tell but don’t make the naive decision to count them out.
 
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