I have serious concerns for next year (2023-24)

[Buds17]

I don't like moves Treliving has made so far

I don't like MM is still on the team, he should have been traded

I don't like AM still doesn't have a contact (I really don't like how AM is so adverse to long term contracts)

I don't like the defense AT ALL

I'd say my biggest concern is this team is going to be too complacent and I think there is a real chance Toronto might actually miss the playoffs

I have never been this low on the team, at least when Toronto was tanking we could look forward to the future, what do we have to look forward to now? Toronto hasn't done ANYTHING with this core, why should I think this year will be any different?

Of course, Matthews and Marner were the biggest parts of that future. Point being, it's never easy to know what the future may have in store.

 

[The Nic]

I don't like moves Treliving has made so far

I don't like MM is still on the team, he should have been traded

I don't like AM still doesn't have a contact (I really don't like how AM is so adverse to long term contracts)

I don't like the defense AT ALL

I'd say my biggest concern is this team is going to be too complacent and I think there is a real chance Toronto might actually miss the playoffs

I have never been this low on the team, at least when Toronto was tanking we could look forward to the future, what do we have to look forward to now? Toronto hasn't done ANYTHING with this core, why should I think this year will be any different?

Perhaps you should seek help...

 

[LeafChief]

Is this the sequel to "Thoroughly Unexcited" that we've all been waiting for?

 

[Sypher04]

Stating that losing in the 3rd round is the same as the 1st is where you lose the plot here and what I was referring to.

Yeah of course you don’t win the cup either way but there is a big difference between a long playoff run and flaming out year after year in the 1st.

I’m not gonna argue with you about this. I know it won’t go anywhere so I’ll just leave it at that.

The problem here is that you also are choosing to claim I said something I never did. Once again, I said IF participation trophies are bad (his premise, as per his negative reference earlier the thread) then the results of the regular season & playoffs is that only what one team did actually matters. And in this scenario, losing in round 1 and round 3 is functionally the same result - a failure. I never at any point claimed there is no difference in general between the two losing scenarios.

If you’re gonna pull the here’s a reply to your post but I’m not going to argue with you (which is in fact exactly what you did) you could at least argue against something I actually said

I don’t disagree with the bolded at all

 

[AvroArrow]

as long as we have marner and matthews wearing the Leaf crest we will not be winners. (unless you count regular season wins as being a winner - which clearly some do - look above)

Read harder

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Leafs aren’t missing the playoffs, so jot that down. As for the playoffs, it really will depend on how well the Leafs can cover for the defensive deficiencies of Bertuzzi, Domi, and Klingberg. If the Leafs are capable of still playing good defensive hockey despite adding 3 big liabilities, I can see them going on a decent run thanks to the added offensive punch. Our bane in the playoffs in recent years has been the lack of depth scoring, but adding 3 offensively gifted players should help in that department.

 

[Canadian Finn]

our bane in the playoffs in recent years was the complete and total failure of our big four.

 

[al secord]

Stage 2 of the off-season. Being thoroughly unexcited then deeply concerned. We're on our way to anger, bargaining and acceptance.

 

[Kurtz]

I appreciate that you don't understand it, but losing in the third round of the playoffs IS indeed different than the first round.

maybe one day you'll experience losing in the third round - then you'll understand.

Until then, enjoy your regular season hope.

I remember us losing to Carolina in the 3rd round.

It sucked. No one was popping champagne.

 

[Canadian Finn]

I remember us losing to Carolina in the 3rd round.

It sucked. No one was popping champagne.

did it suck as bad as our continuous first round exits?

I can't speak for you but...

 

[Sypher04]

I remember us losing to Carolina in the 3rd round.

It sucked. No one was popping champagne.

I’m convinced if we’d beaten Florida and lost to Carolina round 3 the usual suspects would be acting exactly the same way they are today.

That’s not to say anyone should be satisfied

 

[Mess]

At this stage, it’s really not.

I could care less how many points we end up with this year as long as they make the playoffs.

We sucked ass at home anyway these past playoffs.

Last year the Leafs finished 2nd in the Atlantic and the main advantage of finishing above your playoff opponent is home ice advantage.

Then Leafs lost 2 of 3 games at home against TB and 3 of 3 games at home vs Florida.

Leaf fans real concern should be that Sheldon Keefe is still the Leafs coach.

A team is only as strong as its weakest link,

 

[BrannigansLaw]

The problem here is that you also are choosing to claim I said something I never did. Once again, I said IF participation trophies are bad (his premise, as per his negative reference earlier the thread) then the results of the regular season & playoffs is that only what one team did actually matters. And in this scenario, losing in round 1 and round 3 is functionally the same result - a failure. I never at any point claimed there is no difference in general between the two losing scenarios.

If you’re gonna pull the here’s a reply to your post but I’m not going to argue with you (which is in fact exactly what you did) you could at least argue against something I actually said

I don’t disagree with the bolded at all

You’re equating playoff results to regular season to make your argument here. I don’t agree with that and so the point you are making about participation trophies does not sit well with me even if it makes sense from your perspective.

 

[Kurtz]

did it suck as bad as our continuous first round exits?

I can't speak for you but...

It sucked worse. Much worse.

Don't get me wrong, there was very brief elation about owning the Sens, but then losing to the underdog Canes led by two backup goalies in a series where we went 0-3 in OT left a worse taste in people's mouth than losing to TB/Bos in round 1 did. (well the 4-1 thing aside).


You can see this for yourself btw. Did you feel better about the past season than the season before? After all, we did beat TB this time....

 

[Canadian Finn]

You’re equating playoff results to regular season to make your argument here. I don’t agree with that and so the point you are making about participation trophies does not sit well with me even if it makes sense from your perspective.

you get it.

participation trophies are for those who value regular season success.

but as you said, not much point in trying to get sypher to understand.

As Mr Weir sings: You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know.

 

[IceColdBear]

Sometimes you flip a coin five times, and it comes up heads every time.

It doesn't mean tails is less likely than heads, or the coin is bad, or tails is bad and can never occur.

We have a good team, we could use another really good defenceman, but this is a team that will have a chance to win every year they're together - that is a good thing.

 

[Nineteen67]

Leafs aren’t missing the playoffs, so jot that down. As for the playoffs, it really will depend on how well the Leafs can cover for the defensive deficiencies of Bertuzzi, Domi, and Klingberg, If the Leafs are capable of still playing good defensive hockey despite adding 3 big liabilities, I can see them going on a decent run thanks to the added offensive punch. Our bane in the playoffs in recent years has been the lack of depth scoring, but adding 3 offensively gifted players should help in that department.

I would add Gio, McCabe and Brodie to your list of defensive deficiencies.

 

[The Management]

We've got guys playing for contracts this year, including the new additions. Matthews was playing through a wrist issue last season and hopefully he's beyond that. I don't think we miss. There are some good teams in the East, but none without their share of warts.

No idea how they'll square up in the postseason, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some movement before then.

 

[mikeyz]

It is, and it’s not really debatable. I don’t think winning the presidents trophy or even our division matters, but regular season success unequivocally does.

Tell that to Florida who needed the last place team to win a game on the road in the final week of the season just to make the playoffs.

As for the TS. Miss the playoffs??? Come on man! LMFAO.

 

[Leafs87]

The only real concerns I have are size on D, which reports indicate is something Treliving is working on and the fact that next years team as of right now is a rental team.

Matthews,Nylander,Domi,Bertuzzi,Klingberg, Samsanov could all walk for nothing.

 

[WillyC]

I don’t see how it’s possible to miss the playoffs… regardless of the negative predictions… this is a very talented hockey team.

 

[Notsince67]

Group therapy session?
Some of you are as fragile as f***.

 

[mikeyz]

It sucked worse. Much worse.

Don't get me wrong, there was very brief elation about owning the Sens, but then losing to the underdog Canes led by two backup goalies in a series where we went 0-3 in OT left a worse taste in people's mouth than losing to TB/Bos in round 1 did. (well the 4-1 thing aside).


You can see this for yourself btw. Did you feel better about the past season than the season before? After all, we did beat TB this time....

Yeah but at least that 02 team left absolutely everything on the ice in that 3rd round loss to the Canes.

I can't say the same about the current core of the team in the last 7 years.

 

[Peace Frog]

I’m not worried about making the playoffs this coming season. The season after? Well…

 

[LeafEgo]

I never said you specifically wrote that wildcard teams win. Maybe you should learn to comprehend what YOU are reading. Just because I put something in my response to you doesn’t inherently mean you directly said it. It’s supporting information to a conclusion.

You DID however say “get somewhere in the playoffs”. If the goal is to not give out ‘participation trophies’, it’s really all or nothing so maybe show some consistency. If the regular season doesn’t matter, losing in round 3 doesn’t really either. Both the teams the lose round 1 and round 3 failed to achieve the same ultimate goal.

Regular season matters. The ultimate goal of winning 4 rounds matters more. None of this should be controversial

That's not true, that path of success looks like this:

Regular Season > R1 > R2 > R3 > R4

Losing in R3 is more successful than losing in R1. Whether you come 3rd or 9th in the regular season is something, but in the grand scheme of things, not particularly that important as both teams advance to R1.

This is further exacerbated by the fact that players can't play at 100% through the regular season. It's only in the playoffs that you get to see which teams are the best. You cant tell just how fast Usain Bolt is in the first heat.