Post-Game Talk: I guess we can rest for 8 days too... Jets lose to Jackets 4-3

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Adam da bomb

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Connor 51gp 13g 17a
Laine 49gp 12g 16a

That 1g 1a difference is YUGE.
Is that from this season? 2 more points so to point that out is bashing?
To wonder how that is dispersed last 10 games vs first 10 games is bashing? To suggest the guy who has more and has more of a right to keep his position on that line is bashing?
 
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The system is an over complicated mess. I don't know whose system it is... Maurice's or Huddy's or whomever. But it needs to be dumbed down. That's been the knock on this system for years... it's too hard to adjust to during the game because it requires the kinds of reads and tandem switches that - when they work - are great, but are sooooooo prone to breakdowns.

it seems like whomever is put in there, the result is the same....example being after 50 games this season and past season, jets are only 4 or 6 points back where they were last season.
 

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A player I always liked way back to his draft year was Jacob Larsson. I haven’t really followed his development much since the Ducks drafted him, but he is who I wanted the Jets to select when they selected Roslovic.

Ducks also have Mahura and Guhle. Don’t know if the Ducks have a need for a player like Roslovic, but at this point he’s the biggest piece the Jets probably move by the trade deadline.
Guhle has definitely taken a step back. He is really struggling with his decision making on the ice. Mahura and Wideman on the other hand have shown excellent playmaking ability with the Gulls, as well as scoring and pp goals. Larsson has gotten mixed reviews. He is still very young but not sure what his potential might be. I could see the Ducks possibly moving some bodies. I think at this point the Ducks need to listen to offers on anyone.
 
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They were chasing their tails after Werenski pinched and put the puck back down low. Wheeler was along the wall and Pionk cane up to support it, but Werenski was able to get there first and out the puck deep again. Rosie is the low forward at this point but he just kind of stands there and let’s Pionk race back across the ice to try and pursue the puck that has gone to the opposite wall, where Morrissey was and back down low again. If you watch that part of the sequence, Ehlers is fine, but Rosie is still sort of lost and pretty much standing in the same spot. After the Jackets first attempt, the puck goes back in the corner, Wheeler has come back down low again, Rosie still pretty much glued to the same spot, Ehlers loses track of Jones a bit (it was a great switch tbh) but there is no way in the world the Jets should have been beat with 4 guys on that side of the ice. I’m not sure Rosie picking up Foligno makes that much difference, somebody needed to pick up Jones’s movement earlier and picked up the switch, but they were still entirely focused on trying to find a check. Ultimately Rosie was in the best spot to pick up Jones but he failed to react and watched the whole thing.

At the end of the day, it was a pretty mass failure on the part of whatever it is they are supposed to be doing. It’s a difficult scheme to execute and very hard to recover when a breakdown occurs. There is just very little support when something like that happens , other than your goaltender.

Watching that whole thing unfold helps me understand why they don’t want Rosie playing C though.
Stop with all this Roslovic bashing. He is totally leaving the 1st chance he gets. :sarcasm: But seriously thank you for the break down.
 

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Connor 51gp 13g 17a
Laine 49gp 12g 16a

That 1g 1a difference is YUGE.

It's a not a huge gap. Connor and Laine have similar production this year although Connor is outproducing him in points (EV included) and goals (EV strength included). What more needs to happen in order for Laine to become ascendant? He's getting every opportunity to succeed. More line shuffling? Deprogramming?
 

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It's a not a huge gap. Connor and Laine have similar production this year although Connor is outproducing him in points (EV included) and goals (EV strength included). What more needs to happen in order for Laine to become ascendant? He's getting every opportunity to succeed. More line shuffling? Deprogramming?
look at the gap in primary points. i get told on here all the time that Connor cannot pass yet somehow has 1 more assist than laine and 5 more primary assists (at 5v5).
 

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They were chasing their tails after Werenski pinched and put the puck back down low. Wheeler was along the wall and Pionk cane up to support it, but Werenski was able to get there first and out the puck deep again. Rosie is the low forward at this point but he just kind of stands there and let’s Pionk race back across the ice to try and pursue the puck that has gone to the opposite wall, where Morrissey was and back down low again. If you watch that part of the sequence, Ehlers is fine, but Rosie is still sort of lost and pretty much standing in the same spot. After the Jackets first attempt, the puck goes back in the corner, Wheeler has come back down low again, Rosie still pretty much glued to the same spot, Ehlers loses track of Jones a bit (it was a great switch tbh) but there is no way in the world the Jets should have been beat with 4 guys on that side of the ice. I’m not sure Rosie picking up Foligno makes that much difference, somebody needed to pick up Jones’s movement earlier and picked up the switch, but they were still entirely focused on trying to find a check. Ultimately Rosie was in the best spot to pick up Jones but he failed to react and watched the whole thing.

At the end of the day, it was a pretty mass failure on the part of whatever it is they are supposed to be doing. It’s a difficult scheme to execute and very hard to recover when a breakdown occurs. There is just very little support when something like that happens , other than your goaltender.

Watching that whole thing unfold helps me understand why they don’t want Rosie playing C though.
That sure is an asshole spot for the coach to single out Ehlers. As in completely ridiculous spot to call out a single player. It says a lot about the coach IMHO.
 

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It's a not a huge gap. Connor and Laine have similar production this year although Connor is outproducing him in points (EV included) and goals (EV strength included). What more needs to happen in order for Laine to become ascendant? He's getting every opportunity to succeed. More line shuffling? Deprogramming?
Looks at rates of production not totals.
 

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Please delete Petan and Dano, and remove the brackets and bold Enstrom.

Toby might be slower than he was, but we could sure use his calmness and intelligence back there.

You guys remember when our D was actually vaunted?

Those were the days.
 
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That sure is an ******* spot for the coach to single out Ehlers. As in completely ridiculous spot to call out a single player. It says a lot about the coach IMHO.
Paul Maurice seems to have had players throughout his tenure here that he doesn’t mind criticizing openly.
Ehlers for some reason seems like an easy target for him.
 
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Please delete Petan and Dano, and remove the brackets and bold Enstrom.

Toby might be slower than he was, but we could sure use his calmness and intelligence back there.

You guys remember when our D was actually vaunted?

Those were the days.


It was better not vaunted.
 

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Why not pick up a defenseman in a trade before the deadline? I would think that Anaheim might be willing to deal someone or some younger guys or someone with the Gulls might be a decent pickup. They can still make the wildcard.
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Be great if the Jets could pick up Josh Manson from Anaheim. He has some good size, a good skater, and plays with some grit --similar to a Trouba like player. If the Ducks would deal him --I'd be all over that If I was Chevy. From what I've seen from Manson, he looks pretty damn good.
 

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Imagine a player with:

In tight hands and tight spaces shot of Connor

Long range shot of Laine

Speed of Ehlers

Playmaking ability of Scheifele

Defense of Copp

Physicality of Lowry

All in one player :popcorn:


Then he would be playing for Edmonton or Pittsburgh as that guy would be a generational player :)
He'll get drafted 1st overall...

Those 2 teams have a knack on getting this kind of talent.....
 

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Connor 51gp 13g 17a
Laine 49gp 12g 16a

That 1g 1a difference is YUGE.


I posted this once.

Is it me or the power play this year mainly rotates to the right triangle. Using 3 players.
Less and less to the left side of the ice when PP1 is on the ice?

Noticed it a few games.
 

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I posted this once.

Is it me or the power play this year mainly rotates to the right triangle. Using 3 players.
Less and less to the left side of the ice when PP1 is on the ice?

Noticed it a few games.

It does but Laine isn't scoring when the play does go to the left. For some reason the shot is not there anymore. My guess is that Laine's body musculature is changing and it's messing with his shooting mechanics. The good thing is that he is like 65% developed at this point so he has some years to regain that.

But Laine not sniping like Laine is on Laine. I'm willing to bet that he will be sniping like Laine in no-time because that shot is such a great asset to him and he will not let it slip away. Having almost genius-level IQ (you can actually pretty much quantify this with a 20 minute conversation with a person, although it can be a curse as some high-IQ people convince themselves of being right when they are completely wrong and it's tough for them to then change their opinion) with a willingness to work hard is a predictor for success in any field, and we are talking about a guy with an insane take on shooting the puck and huge size & reach.

It's just "the age thing", and if it shaves a few million off his next contract while he builds up the rest of his game, I don't think any Jets fan should complain about the situation... yet.
 
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Be great if the Jets could pick up Josh Manson from Anaheim. He has some good size, a good skater, and plays with some grit --similar to a Trouba like player. If the Ducks would deal him --I'd be all over that If I was Chevy. From what I've seen from Manson, he looks pretty damn good.

Manson would be exactly what this team needs. The problem is agreeing on the value to get him here. They’ll be selling him on a basis of his best seasons and buyers will be looking more at what his current play looks like. He is having a slightly down year.

I’d be okay with moving Vesalainen plus for him but there would have to be lottery protection on a 1st if that is part of the deal. Would prefer deferring the 1st to 2021.

Ultimately I don’t think Chevy pulls that trigger.
 
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It's a not a huge gap. Connor and Laine have similar production this year although Connor is outproducing him in points (EV included) and goals (EV strength included). What more needs to happen in order for Laine to become ascendant? He's getting every opportunity to succeed. More line shuffling? Deprogramming?


Just keep at it...
He will end up with career high in points at 21 years old.
 

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It does but Laine isn't scoring when the play does go to the left. For some reason the shot is not there anymore. My guess is that Laine's body musculature is changing and it's messing with his shooting mechanics. The good thing is that he is like 65% developed at this point so he has some years to regain that.

But Laine not sniping like Laine is on Laine. I'm willing to bet that he will be sniping like Laine in no-time because that shot is such a great asset to him and he will not let it slip away. Having almost genius-level IQ (you can actually pretty much quantify this with a 20 minute conversation with a person, although it can be a curse as some high-IQ people convince themselves of being right when they are completely wrong and it's tough for them to then change their opinion) with a willingness to work hard is a predictor for success in any field, and we are talking about a guy with an insane take on shooting the puck and huge size & reach.

It's just "the age thing", and if it shaves a few million off his next contract while he builds up the rest of his game, I don't think any Jets fan should complain about the situation... yet.


Ok thanks

Im not sure someone posted a data on that opportunity yet.

Example

How many
1 timer from that right side he has taken in the pp this year compared to
The last 3 years?

I think the shot is there.
I remember the 2 on 1 pass by Schiefele that is not a goos pass wobbling and it the air. He 1 timed it that not many can.

Im not finding excuses.
Trying to check solutions ;)
 
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