I don't like too many threads but HYMAN and BABCOCK

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Ah f*** it.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Definitely have to give props to Babcock on Hyman. I was never part of the "Babcock's son" train, but I was annoyed that he played on the top line. He's certainly grown into an outstanding player. On pace for 30 in a full season and just gives it his all. Very important piece on this team.

 

[NK94]

Uh, what? Dubas was the GM that traded for Hyman...

Right? Pretty poor attempt for PL to discredit Dubas lol.

 

[PromisedLand]

Wasn't he co-GM that summer when Hyman was acquired?

I think he was AGM as Nonis was just fired. From what I recall; Tallon was the Florida GM; and we were basically going scortched earth so he told that they had a player they couldn't sign. Babcock had seen Hyman play for Michigan; and asked for him. Dubas traded for Hyman for someone (i think it was McKegg); also before the Leafs gig Dubas was Hyman's agent. Hyman also wanted to be a Leaf and played in the AHL with Willy and (don't remember who else).

Posters here claiming that Dubas traded for Hyman because Dubas thought Hyman would be an impact players is really a reach.

but whatever helps them....

 

[Gallagbi]

I think he was AGM as Nonis was just fired. From what I recall; Tallon was the Florida GM; and we were basically going scortched earth so he told that they had a player they couldn't sign. Babcock had seen Hyman play for Michigan; and asked for him. Dubas traded for Hyman for someone (i think it was McKegg); also before the Leafs gig Dubas was Hyman's agent. Hyman also wanted to be a Leaf and played in the AHL with Willy and (don't remember who else).

Posters here claiming that Dubas traded for Hyman because Dubas thought Hyman would be an impact players is really a reach.

but whatever helps them....

So you don't want to give credit to the GM who acquired him, when he also had a previous relationship with the player?

Reaching is a good way to describe what's happening here...

 

[DarkKnight]

Some people need to develop nuance in their positions. You don’t have to attack any thought that actually might suggest the bad man did a good thing. Absolutely, Babcock deserves some credit for Hyman’s ascendancy and guess what Zach would agree. It’s okay.

Snowflakes.

 

[Havoc]

Hyman was all Dubas (bringing him in)

 

[PromisedLand]

So you don't want to give credit to the GM who acquired him, when he also had a previous relationship with the player?

Reaching is a good way to describe what's happening here...

Dubas did not go out of his way to acquire Hyman. Look at Dubas' press conference for this TDL. His hockey philosophy has changed to what he thought earlier i.e. just skill and nothing else.

Hyman wasn't a "skilled" player; Dubas would not have traded for him if it wasn't for Babcock.

I have given dubas plenty of credit this off season and the TDL; don't think that everything dubas does is a home run or the best thing ever unlike some posters

 

[Dekes For Days]

I think he was AGM as Nonis was just fired. From what I recall; Tallon was the Florida GM; and we were basically going scortched earth so he told that they had a player they couldn't sign. Babcock had seen Hyman play for Michigan; and asked for him. Dubas traded for Hyman for someone (i think it was McKegg); also before the Leafs gig Dubas was Hyman's agent. Hyman also wanted to be a Leaf and played in the AHL with Willy and (don't remember who else).

Dubas was the interim GM, and he is the one that handled that trade. Hyman wanted to be a Leaf, and Dubas knew Hyman and was well aware of what he could bring. Babcock may have liked Hyman, but he had very little to do with it, and he misused Hyman through the beginning of his career. Clearly your "Dubas wouldn't have gotten a player like Hyman" comment was wrong.

His hockey philosophy has changed to what he thought earlier i.e. just skill and nothing else.

That was never Dubas' philosophy.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I think he was AGM as Nonis was just fired. From what I recall; Tallon was the Florida GM; and we were basically going scortched earth so he told that they had a player they couldn't sign. Babcock had seen Hyman play for Michigan; and asked for him. Dubas traded for Hyman for someone (i think it was McKegg); also before the Leafs gig Dubas was Hyman's agent. Hyman also wanted to be a Leaf and played in the AHL with Willy and (don't remember who else).

Posters here claiming that Dubas traded for Hyman because Dubas thought Hyman would be an impact players is really a reach.

but whatever helps them....

Lol, you literally said Dubas was Hyman's agent at the time of the trade and that he would never have traded for a player like Hyman. Now you can finally admit Dubas did trade for him, although it was only because Babcock told him to. The ridiculous leaps you're making to discredit Dubas is embarrassing

 

[PromisedLand]

That was never Dubas' philosophy.

Go watch Dubas' presser for this TDL; he literally says he "learned from the series against CBJ" to make the roster that he did this season.

I am also done with Dubas discussion; don't want to derail the thread.

Dubas fans always jump on everyone who have the brains to think that dubas isnt perfect

peace out

 

[Dekes For Days]

Go watch Dubas' presser for this TDL; he literally says he "learned from the series against CBJ" to make the roster that he did this season.

Which is not even close to equivalent to what you said.

Dubas fans always jump on everyone who have the brains to think that dubas isnt perfect

No, you made an incorrect statement stating Dubas would never acquire a player like Hyman when Dubas literally acquired Hyman. And then when that was pointed out, you doubled down, and incorrectly stated that Dubas was his agent at the time of the trade, when Dubas was actually the GM. And now you're attempting to arbitrarily deflect all of the credit to Babcock, to avoid giving credit to Dubas.

 

[Gallagbi]

Dubas did not go out of his way to acquire Hyman. Look at Dubas' press conference for this TDL. His hockey philosophy has changed to what he thought earlier i.e. just skill and nothing else.

Hyman wasn't a "skilled" player; Dubas would not have traded for him if it wasn't for Babcock.

I have given dubas plenty of credit this off season and the TDL; don't think that everything dubas does is a home run or the best thing ever unlike some posters

...Dubas did trade for him.

Dubas also would have engaged the Hyman family and advocated for him up to and potentially through the NCAA.

Dubas was familiar and supporting Hyman before Babs had watched him play a game

 

[AvroArrow]

Bobcat did some good things while he was here, overall he was a piece of shit though and his coaching and ego cost us the series vs Boston. Benching your top players in an elimination game when you need a goal in the 3rd lol.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Yup Hyman turned out to be a great player. Fantastic move by Dubas. Good of Babcock to play him glad he didn't destroy his career by playing him injured.

 

[Havoc]

Dubas mad credit for bringing him in. Hyman was on his radar and was linked to Dubas before the trade even happened.

Babcock knew Hyman's true value on the ice so made him a core piece when drawing lineups. Credit to him there.

But let's not forget a third very significant person whose had an impact on Hyman from the beginning.

From Hyman's own mouth 5 years ago:

"Sheldon (Keefe) has taught me a lot from the offensive perspective — how to be patient with the puck, how not to rush plays, how to use your body and hold onto it. We’ve done a ton of video work this year. He was really important for that.”


Looking at Hyman's complete game today, one can argue Keefe is the true no.1 hero in the Hyman development saga (excluding Hyman himself).

 

[Leaf Fans]

Go watch Dubas' presser for this TDL; he literally says he "learned from the series against CBJ" to make the roster that he did this season.

I am also done with Dubas discussion; don't want to derail the thread.

Dubas fans always jump on everyone who have the brains to think that dubas isnt perfect

peace out

Lol, no one thinks Dubas is perfect.

 

[stickty111]

Dubas haters always ruin every thread when someone praises him even a little. Usually the same suspects.

 

[stickty111]

Which is not even close to equivalent to what you said.

No, you made an incorrect statement stating Dubas would never acquire a player like Hyman when Dubas literally acquired Hyman. And then when that was pointed out, you doubled down, and incorrectly stated that Dubas was his agent at the time of the trade, when Dubas was actually the GM. And now you're attempting to arbitrarily deflect all of the credit to Babcock, to avoid giving credit to Dubas.

Thats called biases and makes that person look bad.

 

[Antropovsky]

One can argue Babcock the person, but as a coach I believe he was a smart hockey man and knows what it takes to Win. He was just unlikeable.

The more experience Dubas gets, the closer to a Babcock roster he is assembling. Babs would love Riley Nash and Foligno. .

 

[Leaf Fans]

One can argue Babcock the person, but as a coach I believe he was a smart hockey man and knows what it takes to Win. He was just unlikeable.

The more experience Dubas gets, the closer to a Babcock roster he is assembling. Babs would love Riley Nash and Foligno. .

Babcock is a smart hockey man, but I think most coaches would love Foligno and Nash.

 

[francis246]

Yup Hyman turned out to be a great player. Fantastic move by Dubas. Good of Babcock to play him glad he didn't destroy his career by playing him injured.

why is that babcocks fault, that is equally as much the trainer and Hyman’s fault. Hyman chose to play with no ACL.

 

[Buds17]

Credit to the GM for acquiring him, the coach for utilizing him and the player for being worthy of the opportunity.

 

[Leaf Fans]

why is that babcocks fault, that is equally as much the trainer and Hyman’s fault. Hyman chose to play with no ACL.

Babcock was the coach, and the coach picks the team. However, you are right there is some shared responsibility.

 

[Antropovsky]

Babcock is a smart hockey man, but I think most coaches would love Foligno and Nash.

100% agree.. take a poll and I'm sure 95% of coaches would have preferred Par Lindholm going into the playoffs over Nic Petan too..but Dubas traded Par Lindholm for Petan at the deadline giving Babcock one less defensively responsible center going into the playoffs.

Don't get me wrong I like Dubas...But I think had he targeted babs players, maybe we may have won a series or two.