OT: Hurricanes Lounge XLVI: Really, It's All About Beer and Bojangles

[Unsustainable]

“Gun laws” doesn’t have to mean restrictions on an individual’s ability to possess a gun. That term can also apply to restrictions on manufacturing, sales, and distribution. I find it highly, highly doubtful that regulations on gun manufacturing, sales, and distribution lead to higher gun violence.

Ive said before, if an under aged person commits a crime with their parents guns, the parents should hold responsibility in part.

But mental illness issues need to be discussed, every one of the kids seems to have been on medications that can cause violent outbursts, tendencies, or suicidal thoughts.

 

[Lempo]

“Gun laws” doesn’t have to mean restrictions on an individual’s ability to possess a gun. That term can also apply to restrictions on manufacturing, sales, and distribution. I find it highly, highly doubtful that regulations on gun manufacturing, sales, and distribution lead to higher gun violence.

A silent alarm went just off at the Department of Mutual Assured Destruction.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Well, not to defend anyone, but "rates" can mean a variety of things. You are showing what I think most advocates of gun controls would show which is the rates per capita. A lot of gun control critics I've seen point to rates of death per year in those cities, which would show they are higher. Of course, that is misleading because of the shear size, but it is a "rate" that can be used to show something even if it is (intentionally?) misleading.

Sure, I thought about commenting on that in my initial post, but when discussing entities of different sizes, it was obvious that the rates really have to be per capita to be meaningful. Of course Chicago with $2.7M people is going to have more crimes per year than another city with 100,000 people.

I agree with you, it's intentionally misleading if someone is using crimes per year as a "rate".

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

But mental illness issues need to be discussed,

It doesn't need to be discussed, it needs to be addressed, yet those in power are doing everything possible to make healthcare, which mental health is part of, more expensive and harder to obtain.

Even thought it needs to be addressed, the link between mental health and mass shootings isn't as great as you are making it out to be. It's the other side of the coin.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Nah, it's okay. Our upcoming administration has "a concept of a plan" for the replacement of the ACA. And with that party controlling all three branches of government, there's basically no red tape to stop that plan. I'm sure once he moves past the concept stage and gets to the planning stage, it'll be a real quick transition. But he's got to repeal the ACA first...for reasons...