OT: Hurricanes Lounge XLV: Y2K Twenty-Four Years Later

[Svechhammer]

Maybe it’s just me, but that guy sends my gaydar into DEFCON 10.

Him and Andrew Tate. Its so over the top you it stems from them hating themselves over what they do behind closed doors.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Him and Andrew Tate. Its so over the top you it stems from them hating themselves over what they do behind closed doors.

Which as always is none of my business, but a guy like him putting on a hyper-hetero persona is just too much.

I just looked at his wiki and these are actual real-life quotes from this guy:

“the only really straight heterosexual position is to be an asexual incel”

“having sex with women is gay ... What's gayer than being like, 'I need cuddles. I need kisses ... I need to spend time with a woman.”

Amazing the kinds of things that repression can to a human brain. YIKES.

 

[Stickpucker]

I currently work in higher education, and am witnessing this in real time. Your note about it happening in super slow-mo one policy at a time is dead accurate. I won't be retiring as a state worker. I've done about 8 years, but my exit is approaching fast.

I'm likely headed back to the private sector where I can make 20-30% more. I have job security where I'm at so I can't complain there, but that's a luxury now. I don't foresee it being a luxury 10 years from now, or even 5 years from which is why I'm getting out before the shit hits the fan completely.

If my benefits, wages, pension, and job security are at risk there's absolutely no incentive to be in the public sector. This is (it seems) what the super majority wants based on their policies. Tear down public infrastructure and force privatization. As you said this is a catastrophe and in IT (my sector) people are already leaving in droves but it's impacting many sectors and it's going to impact everyone in the state sooner than later.

They're forcing educated, talented, and dedicated people out of public sector and what will backfill these positions will be the opposite.

Ah, the old boiling the frog slowly....but clearly not slowly enough bc people are noticing the water getting warm.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Which as always is none of my business, but a guy like him putting on a hyper-hetero persona is just too much.

I just looked at his wiki and these are actual real-life quotes from this guy:

“the only really straight heterosexual position is to be an asexual incel”

“having sex with women is gay ... What's gayer than being like, 'I need cuddles. I need kisses ... I need to spend time with a woman.”

Oohhhhhhh boy…

Instead of seeking professional help for whatever F'd up childhood he had, he just became a twitter influencer. It's a global crisis.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Him and Andrew Tate. Its so over the top you it stems from them hating themselves over what they do behind closed doors.

And yet it's guys like that that are being blasted all over TikTok. It's a large reason why GenZ males went HEAVY red this election.

 

[Unsustainable]

If anything of this, having RFK Jr as HHS, maybe we can get the chemicals in our food that is leading factors in our chronic disease epidemic.

 

[Svechhammer]

Which as always is none of my business, but a guy like him putting on a hyper-hetero persona is just too much.

I just looked at his wiki and these are actual real-life quotes from this guy:

“the only really straight heterosexual position is to be an asexual incel”

“having sex with women is gay ... What's gayer than being like, 'I need cuddles. I need kisses ... I need to spend time with a woman.”

Amazing the kinds of things that repression can to a human brain. YIKES.

I mean....

 

[tarheelhockey]

I mean....

There’s no way that’s real, right?

 

[Svechhammer]

There’s no way that’s real, right?

No idea, if it is real, he deleted it (which wouldn't be out of character)

But the fact you even have to ask....

 

[The Faulker 27]

And yet it's guys like that that are being blasted all over TikTok. It's a large reason why GenZ males went HEAVY red this election.

My son who is 13 came home from school a few months back and said some of his friends were talking about Andrew Tate. Like in a way of interest, not hate or distrust. That scared the shit out of me. I educated him on what this Ahole stands for, or at least what he says on social media to gain followers, and warned him that these types of characters exist and they've always existed, but now they have a platform for propaganda on a global scale.

I trust my son knows right from wrong, but I worry every day about the external influences and pressures. Our parents worried about the same things, but social media is a beast that cannot be tamed no matter how many safe guards, and controls you have in place. Unless of course you move out to the country, home school them, and essentially remove technology from the picture. That's just not a reality for me, or many people.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I mean....

Twitter is filled with scum like this. The problem is you have all these copy cats that try the same method of shock factor posts and it's just completely out control. Mainly on twitter (X) which is unfortunately now controlled by Musk who's slowly becoming a villain.

 

[tarheelhockey]

My son who is 13 came home from school a few months back and said some of his friends were talking about Andrew Tate. Like in a way of interest, not hate or distrust. That scared the shit out of me. I educated him on what this Ahole stands for, or at least what he says on social media to gain followers, and warned him that these types of characters exist and they've always existed, but now they have a platform for propaganda on a global scale.

I trust my son knows right from wrong, but I worry every day about the external influences and pressures. Our parents worried about the same things, but social media is a beast that cannot be tamed no matter how many safe guards, and controls you have in place. Unless of course you move out to the country, home school them, and essentially remove technology from the picture. That's just not a reality for me, or many people.

I had the exact same experience two years ago. Tate was the gateway for my middle son, and it came from his friend who got it from his dad. Then he got into Joe Rogan and it just kind of spiraled from there.

At almost 16, he’s deep in it. Race jokes, etc. He’s talking about not going to college because it’s a liberal scam. If I push back, he already has the talking points lined up. I’ve learned to just give him a fact or two that he can’t rebut (his blind spots even about current events, let alone history, are massive so this really isn’t hard to do) and stay out of direct argument. What else can you do? This stuff is viral for a reason, it exploits the adolescent brain and tells young men what they want to hear at an age when they reject the closest adults in their life. My hope is that he keeps growing and figures out that he was just an asshole in high school.

 

[Unsustainable]

And yet it's guys like that that are being blasted all over TikTok. It's a large reason why GenZ males went HEAVY red this election.

Maybe, just maybe hear me out. The message from the left for the few years didn't resonate with them.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Maybe, just maybe hear me out. The message from the left for the few years didn't resonate with them.

Oh don't get me wrong, the left have a lot to answer for after this election. But if "women are property" is the message that IS resonating with them, that's a problem for the country, politics aside.

If anything of this, having RFK Jr as HHS, maybe we can get the chemicals in our food that is leading factors in our chronic disease epidemic.

Look, I know you're a big RFKJR supporter, so I'm not going to go too hard on the guy, but all I'll say is that he's pushing forth some messages that will not work out as planned. Just scientifically, it's not happening.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

If anything of this, having RFK Jr as HHS, maybe we can get the chemicals in our food that is leading factors in our chronic disease epidemic.

By far, the leading causes of chronic illnesses in the US are lifestyle choices. Most notably diet, exercise, alcohol consumption and smoking. These affect both cardiovascular disease (Heart disease and stroke) and cancer, which are by far, the two leading causes of chronic illness and death in the US.

I'm all for getting chemicals out of foods, but unless you change the factors I mention above, it will have almost no impact on the biggest categories for chronic illness and death. It will certainly have a significant impact on the cost of foods though.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I had the exact same experience two years ago. Tate was the gateway for my middle son, and it came from his friend who got it from his dad. Then he got into Joe Rogan and it just kind of spiraled from there.

At almost 16, he’s deep in it. Race jokes, etc. He’s talking about not going to college because it’s a liberal scam. If I push back, he already has the talking points lined up. I’ve learned to just give him a fact or two that he can’t rebut (his blind spots even about current events, let alone history, are massive so this really isn’t hard to do) and stay out of direct argument. What else can you do? This stuff is viral for a reason, it exploits the adolescent brain and tells young men what they want to hear at an age when they reject the closest adults in their life. My hope is that he keeps growing and figures out that he was just an asshole in high school.

That is a tough situation you're in, but it sounds like you're taking the right approach. I think at his age and the phase he's in you'd likely push him even more in the wrong direction if you were take some drastic measure to attempt reversing it. Parents today have a very difficult job balancing their children’s safety, well-being, education, and moral development—all while navigating the public health crisis posed by social media.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I'm all for getting chemicals out of foods, but unless you change the factors I mention above, it will have almost no impact on the biggest categories for chronic illness and death. It will certainly have a significant impact on the cost of foods though.

The cost of food is going to be so high if everything promised is fulfilled. You know the two industries that use the most illegal immigrants? Farming and construction. So what happens if you deport those immigrants? Workers that don't work as cheaply are hired, expenses are raised, product needs to be sold a higher price to offset it.

Everyone bought into his tariff plan this year, apparently completely forgetting he did the same thing his first administration and it almost killed the farming industry.

Trump administration farmer bailouts - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I'm hoping this go around will be different, but a leopard rarely changes its spots.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Maybe, just maybe hear me out. The message from the left for the few years didn't resonate with them.

I do think there’s a lot of this at play. If we’re being honest, the left really doesn’t project much of a message for young white men beyond “be an ally”. And even that language is problematic from the standpoint that, to use the left’s own language, it others them right out of the gate. Everyone is the hero in their own world. Asking them to be a political sidekick is not a good way to whip up their enthusiasm.

While guys like Tate and Fuentes are pure poison, they’re tapping in to something that the left has lost, which is the positive value of traditional masculinity. Especially American masculinity. There’s nothing wrong with being a straight white working-class man who loves Jesus and likes to shoot guns in his free time, but the left gives a very clear impression that this is an inherently problematic type of person. The fact that they’re starting to lose the unions and young people should be a blazing red flag, a moment of course correction. It’s not about becoming more conservative, it’s about getting back to a place where liberalism is more than just a loose unreliable coalition of minority groups being against conservatism.

 

[WreckingCrew]

The cost of food is going to be so high if everything promised is fulfilled. You know the two industries that use the most illegal immigrants? Farming and construction. So what happens if you deport those immigrants? Workers that don't work as cheaply are hired, expenses are raised, product needs to be sold a higher price to offset it.

Everyone bought into his tariff plan this year, apparently completely forgetting he did the same thing his first administration and it almost killed the farming industry.

Trump administration farmer bailouts - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I'm hoping this go around will be different, but a leopard rarely changes its spots.

So what you're saying is raising the minimum wage just causes products to be more expensive thereby counteracting their wage increase?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The problem is that people in charge of the Democratic party don't know how to change course. Word out of today is that they're talking about how they didn't work hard enough to entice the centrist/leaning right voter. When they lost 13 million voters that voted for Biden between now and 2020. They're aiming for a small portion of voters while alienating their base.

 

[Svechhammer]

they’re tapping in to something that the left has lost, which is the positive value of traditional masculinity. Especially American masculinity. There’s nothing wrong with being a straight white working-class man who loves Jesus and likes to shoot guns in his free time, but the left gives a very clear impression that this is an inherently problematic type of person. The fact that they’re starting to lose the unions and young people should be a blazing red flag, a moment of course correction. It’s not about becoming more conservative, it’s about getting back to a place where liberalism is more than just a loose unreliable coalition of minority groups being against conservatism.

Oh I think the Democratic party absolutely lost the plot when it came to caring at all about men, especially straight white men and I do fully believe that its the leading cause for them to continually get their asses kicked in elections. Take this for example:



And read that message. A patting of the liberals on the back for helping to empower women to be more dominant in the workforce. But look at those charts. Yes, there have been a lot of strides to help out women, but look at that chart for people with a degree and look at how it cratered for men starting around 1980 and only started correcting itself around 2010. Those policies essentially created a generation of men who legitimately feel left behind because they just never got the same help in their lifetime that was afforded to women. And now that generation is out in the workforce competing for jobs in a market where the US government is pushing policies that financially rewards companies for hiring women and people of color. And as I've said before, this job market is brutal right now.

The Dems have to stop playing identity politics. Stop basing your entire political agenda around pushing social issues based on gender or race. The only thing that agenda has done is rile up and give a platform to some of the absolute worst people out there, because they make the controlling majority feel heard.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Oh I think the Democratic party absolutely lost the plot
The Dems have to stop playing identity politics. Stop basing your entire political agenda around pushing social issues based on gender or race. The only thing that agenda has done is rile up and give a platform to some of the absolute worst people out there, because they make the controlling majority feel heard.

I mean, to be fair, they're attempting to give women a voice because the controlling majority seems to want to silence it. We already discussed Tate and Fuentes and their influence on the right wing sphere, and I don't think it's too far out to say that Trump is misogynistic as hell. And women on the whole have, consistently, voted blue for quite a while now because the left is attempting to give them that voice.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I just looked at his wiki and these are actual real-life quotes from this guy:

“the only really straight heterosexual position is to be an asexual incel”

The right wing male equivalent of Andrea "any woman who sleeps or dates a man is collaborating with the enemy" Dworkin lol

 

[Svechhammer]

I mean, to be fair, they're attempting to give women a voice because the controlling majority seems to want to silence it. We already discussed Tate and Fuentes and their influence on the right wing sphere, and I don't think it's too far out to say that Trump is misogynistic as hell. And women on the whole have, consistently, voted blue for quite a while now because the left is attempting to give them that voice.

And with all due respect what has that gotten them?

A 2nd term of Trump with control of the house and senate, this time knowing its going to be supercharged with a hyper-conservative agenda that they put in writing, and a conservative super-majority in the Supreme Court probably for the rest of our lifetime.

And to be clear, the people who want to silence women and minorities are by no means the majority here, but by focusing on policies that make straight white men consistently feel like they're being told they are the problem with everything in this country, you're going to inevitably have them aligned with the Tates and Fuentes out there because, again, they will hit on enough talking points to make that much more broad segment feel heard.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Oh I think the Democratic party absolutely lost the plot when it came to caring at all about men, especially straight white men and I do fully believe that its the leading cause for them to continually get their asses kicked in elections.

Did people pay attention to what Kamala actually ran on? It certainly wasn't this.

And to me, that's not a "policy" problem, that is a force of personality + media problem, a failure to stop the opposition from defining your position for you.

Take this for example:

As far as I can tell, this is just some guy. Not a member of the Harris campaign or the DNC, not a politician, just some guy. And the Dems can't really control what just some guy says on Twitter, anymore than Trump can't control what a Nazi like Nick Fuentes says.

They can, however, control if they personally fete them.