OT: Hurricanes Lounge XLV: Y2K Twenty-Four Years Later

[Negan4Coach]

The letter literally had nothing to do with Trump. It was more about the rise of misinformation, bigotry and illegal content that has become more commonplace on the platform since Musk took over, and his inability (or refusal) to enforce his own policies that forbid such content.

Yeah great, its not "illegal" here. If the EU wants they can just lock the internet down like China if they are so afraid of people expressing their opinions. Do it. Do it now.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yeah great, its not "illegal" here. If the EU wants they can just lock the internet down like China if they are so afraid of people expressing their opinions. Do it. Do it now.

I’m 100% sure the content that Musk was getting in trouble for is definitely illegal here.

 

[Lempo]

The letter literally had nothing to do with Trump. It was more about the rise of misinformation, bigotry and illegal content that has become more commonplace on the platform since Musk took over, and his inability (or refusal) to enforce his own policies that forbid such content.

The starting chapter of the letter literally refers to Donald J. Trump and his about-to-commence live discussion with Musk, and the UK demonstrations/riots following the knife attack murders of three children by a non-white person and claims of social media disinformation (and the Russians!) playing a part in that.

The timing, the twitter-posted preface ("events with major audience around the world") and the opening chapter of the letter makes it a clear warning for Musk for allowing the platform for Trump to (anticipatedly) say the darnest things.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1823033048109367549

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The starting chapter of the letter literally refers to Donald J. Trump and his about-to-commence live discussion with Musk, and the UK demonstrations/riots following the knife attack murders of three children by a non-white person and claims of social media disinformation (and the Russians!) playing a part in that.

The timing, the twitter-posted preface ("events with major audience around the world") and the opening chapter of the letter makes it a clear warning for Musk for allowing the platform for Trump to (anticipatedly) say the darnest things.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1823033048109367549

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Ah, my mistake. I was looking at the previous letter that was sent to Musk.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Regardless, when Twitter's revenue has dropped 84% since Musk has taken over, and he seems more interested in taking away features than actually improving the product, I think "going down in flames" is an accurate description of the situation.

But hey, at least he got rid of most of the porn bots. Of course, it took them literally posting child porn for him to do anything about it, but baby steps, I guess?

 

[Negan4Coach]

Regardless, when Twitter's revenue has dropped 84% since Musk has taken over, and he seems more interested in taking away features than actually improving the product, I think "going down in flames" is an accurate description of the situation.

But hey, at least he got rid of most of the porn bots. Of course, it took them literally posting child porn for him to do anything about it, but baby steps, I guess?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I have no idea what that means, but you got me, I guess?

 

[NotOpie]

It was more about the rise of misinformation, bigotry and illegal content that has become more commonplace on the platform since Musk took over, and his inability (or refusal) to enforce his own policies that forbid such content.

Having been a Twitter user for many years, it has always been a cesspool of misinformation, bigotry, illeagal content, and don't forget, wild conspiracy theories...It is hard for me to characterize it differently now than before. It really is what you take out of it.

That said, I'm not condoning Elon's stewardship, merely saying a slightly bigger pile of shit is still a pile of shit.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Having been a Twitter user for many years, it has always been a cesspool of misinformation, bigotry, illeagal content, and don't forget, wild conspiracy theories...It is hard for me to characterize it differently now than before. It really is what you take out of it.

That said, I'm not condoning Elon's stewardship, merely saying a slightly bigger pile of shit is still a pile of shit.

Literally all social media and even media outlets these days... everything is for clicks, likes, narratives, and shares not actual news & facts. AI has only made it worse lately. You'll see stuff with minor false info all the time getting pulled/blocked, but then info that is outright false or libel gets left alone no matter how much you report it

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Having been a Twitter user for many years, it has always been a cesspool of misinformation, bigotry, illeagal content, and don't forget, wild conspiracy theories...It is hard for me to characterize it differently now than before. It really is what you take out of it.

That said, I'm not condoning Elon's stewardship, merely saying a slightly bigger pile of shit is still a pile of shit.

According to a report by the Center of Countering Digital Hate, the use of hate speech towards black people, transgender people, homosexuals, Jews, and Hispanics have more than tripled since Musk has taken over.

Twitter had its issues pre-Musk, but it wasn't nearly as bad as it is now.

 

[Negan4Coach]

According to a report by the Center of Countering Digital Hate, the use of hate speech towards black people, transgender people, homosexuals, Jews, and Hispanics have more than tripled since Musk has taken over.

Twitter had its issues pre-Musk, but it wasn't nearly as bad as it is now.

Why should we care about or believe anything put out by a foreign organization funded by a globalist investment firm that supports communist China?

That being said-people who use hate speech on X get shadowbanned. In fact, if you even use any inflammatory language, you get a message from them saying that they have "limited your visibility" on the platform and nobody sees your posts.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Why should we care about or believe anything put out by a foreign organization funded by a globalist investment firm that supports communist China?

That being said-people who use hate speech on X get shadowbanned. In fact, if you even use any inflammatory language, you get a message from them saying that they have "limited your visibility" on the platform and nobody sees your posts.

While it's true that some people get shadow banned, far more do not. The use of the N word, in particular, appears to either be less monitored than others, or its use is so frequent that even with the shadowbans, its still popping up unmonitored.

Which, again, goes back to that letter I posted about Musk needing to consistently and diligently enforce the policies that Twitter has in place.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The fact of the matter is, Musk made ragebaiting on Twitter a very popular (and profitable) occupation. By offering everyone the ability to buy the blue checkmark and allowing users to get paid based on the engagements of their tweets, some out there have realized that there’s no better way to draw engagement than by being an absolutely terrible person.

I’m not going to post any of their tweets, but the best example I can think of the person with the username of “Garbage Human.” Quite literally posting racist tweet after racist tweet, and the comments of said tweets are often arguments between those who agree with said tweet and those who find it offensive. This “Garbage Human” is making money off those arguments either way, so why not continue to post the things that draw that engagement?

 

[NotOpie]

According to a report by the Center of Countering Digital Hate, the use of hate speech towards black people, transgender people, homosexuals, Jews, and Hispanics have more than tripled since Musk has taken over.

Twitter had its issues pre-Musk, but it wasn't nearly as bad as it is now.

Look, I'm not going to get into any sort of ongoing debate here, but the CCDH is a self-perpetuating advocacy group. As disgusting as much of what goes on today on Twitter (X), there just isn't that much difference as to what went on before. Perhaps the political leanings are slightly moved one way or another, but as I've said, my anecdotal experience isn't that different.

The ongoing legal battle between Twitter and CCDH pits two disingenuous actors against each other. Couple that with the fact that CCDH is based in the UK and supports the broad, restrictive speech laws that are being bandied about there, their motivation is clearly self-serving. I would not think of them as an objective actor.

And again, what is characterized as hate speech, doxing, or whatever was RAMPANT since Twitter determined that politics was the epitome of click bait bait.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

We’ll agree to disagree then, because in my experience, there’s little doubt that the site has gotten worse since Musk took over.

And it’s not even about the political climate. There’s more bots than before, the blue check mark verification was wiped away, there’s less features than before, and the things that are added are things no one asked for. Who thought auto-refreshing the feed was what people wanted? Better yet, who’s the complete idiot that thought auto-playing the next video on the feed after the previous one ends was a good idea? And I discussed his AI issue (or one of his AI issues) earlier.

 

[NotOpie]

We’ll agree to disagree then, because in my experience, there’s little doubt that the site has gotten worse since Musk took over.

And it’s not even about the political climate. There’s more bots than before, the blue check mark verification was wiped away, there’s less features than before, and the things that are added are things no one asked for. Who thought auto-refreshing the feed was what people wanted? Better yet, who’s the complete idiot that thought auto-playing the next video on the feed after the previous one ends was a good idea? And I discussed his AI issue (or one of his AI issues) earlier.

Yup, it's not that big of a deal for me anyway. It's a cesspool for sure, but I still swim in it...probably some sort of misplaced penance.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

.As disgusting as much of what goes on today on Twitter (X), there just isn't that much difference as to what went on before. Perhaps the political leanings are slightly moved one way or another, but as I've said, my anecdotal experience isn't that different.

I guess if your political leanings are more toward what Twitter/x is now, you'd feel that way. I noticed a stark difference after Elon took over. I was a conservative for most of my life, but left the party in 2016 for reasons you can guess. I'm independent now and don't particularly favor either party, but one I left has changed so much that it is much less appealing. Thus I left the twitter/x platform months ago, so I can't say what it is now. Life is too short to worry about what some random person posted on a social media platform.

I'd much rather argue about hockey trades, Kotkaniemi, and BBQ on HF boards.

 

[cptjeff]

I guess if your political leanings are more toward what Twitter/x is now, you'd feel that way. I noticed a stark difference after Elon took over. I was a conservative for most of my life, but left the party in 2016 for reasons you can guess. I'm independent now and don't particularly favor either party, but one I left has changed so much that it is much less appealing. Thus I left the twitter/x platform months ago, so I can't say what it is now. Life is too short to worry about what some random person posted on a social media platform.

I'd much rather argue about hockey trades, Kotkaniemi, and BBQ on HF boards.

I used to occasionally use tweetdeck to sort my feed between the politics, the local news, the specific policy issues I work on professionally, and hockey. Now that's locked behind the paywall, because of course it is.

 

[Unsustainable]

If you worked for a company for 23 1/2 years, would you stick it out 6 1/2 more to retire from them, or move on early if an opportunity / situation happened to make you want to leave? So leaving a known quantity, and 1 1/2 years from getting your final bump in vacation to 33 days paid and starting all over.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

If you worked for a company for 23 1/2 years, would you stick it out 6 1/2 more to retire from them, or move on early if an opportunity / situation happened to make you want to leave? So leaving a known quantity, and 1 1/2 years from getting your final bump in vacation to 33 days paid and starting all over.

Hard to say as it's a personal decision with many factors, here are a few:

1) What does "retirement" get you? Do you get a pension and medical benefits? Do you lose them if you quit or are they pro-rated? What's the financial tradeoff vs. how much the new opportunity would pay?

2) How unhappy are you in the current position and/or what about the new position will give you a higher quality of life for the next 6.5 years? That has to include losing vacation time.

3) How stable is the new opportunity? I've seen more than a few cases where the grass was greener only for that person to be looking for a job a couple years later. If your skill is very marketable, that may not be important as there will be another opportunity.

We are not guaranteed tomorrow, so if that improvement in the quality of life is significant, it may make up for any financial losses as part of it, but that's ultimately a personal decision that only you can make.

 

[LakeLivin]

If you worked for a company for 23 1/2 years, would you stick it out 6 1/2 more to retire from them, or move on early if an opportunity / situation happened to make you want to leave? So leaving a known quantity, and 1 1/2 years from getting your final bump in vacation to 33 days paid and starting all over.

I know this is kind of trite, but if you haven't done it yet, seems like this is a case where it might help to make a list of the pluses/minuses/risks/rewards of each choice, with you weighting each as to how important it is to you. Might make the best decision for you a lot clearer.

 

[Unsustainable]

Hard to say as it's a personal decision with many factors, here are a few:

1) What does "retirement" get you? Do you get a pension and medical benefits? Do you lose them if you quite or are they pro-rated? What's the financial tradeoff vs. how much the new opportunity would pay?

2) How unhappy are you in the current position and/or what about the new position will give you a higher quality of life for the next 6.5 years? That has to include losing vacation time.

3) How stable is the new opportunity? I've seen more than a few cases where the grass was greener only for that person to be looking for a job a couple years later. If your skill is very marketable, that may not be important as there will be another opportunity.

We are not guaranteed tomorrow, so if that improvement in the quality of life is significant, it may make up for any financial losses as part of it, but that's ultimately a personal decision that only you can make.

1.Well granted I will be 50 with 30, and still needing another 10-15 before completely retiring, 30 is what I need to lock in my pension. Benefits will be available but at cost.

2. Job doesn't feel stable, though services we do provide will require us to be here. I've never had measurable happiness outside of 1 job I got surplussed out of, and is not available to get back into.

3. Not sure on the company I'm looking into for long term stability. They could up and move the position I'm interested in, or the company could be bought out and absorbed into another company. Current company bought the company I started with.

 

[MinJaBen]

Our flight leaving Phoenix was delayed three hours due to mechanical issues after we had already boarded. Jump through hoops to get on different flight and airline so we can arrive tonight in Raleigh. Board new flight and…..flight is delayed due to mechanical issues.

 

[Unsustainable]

Our flight leaving Phoenix was delayed three hours due to mechanical issues after we had already boarded. Jump through hoops to get on different flight and airline so we can arrive tonight in Raleigh. Board new flight and…..flight is delayed due to mechanical issues.

don't be snitching on boeing

 

[MinJaBen]

don't be snitching on boeing

Ironically, the first flight with problems was the result of a door that couldn’t be confirmed closed.