GDT: Hurricanes @ Devils - 3:00 PM - MSGSN

[My3Sons]

I agree with you, he did outplay Raanta and was the better goalie yesterday.everyone bow to him eat crow.

Look just because you pump Blackwood’s tires and he goes on to have a good game is no reason to insist others eat crow. Squab maybe or Cornish game hen but crow is a bit stringy

 

[tailfins]

that’s right my memory was a little off but my point stands

@Call Me Al - I'm genuinely not sure what your point was. If the Devils had scored on their powerplay, why wouldn't mercer be out there? and graves would definitely be out on the PK.

@Bleedred - I agree with all re: Blackwood. I just can't fault him for this specific game.

I'm not defending the refs or Blackwood. I'm merely saying the Devils got a point they didn't deserve, and going forward the team needs to improve it's level of play. They really should have lost 3-1 even with Blackwood playing so well. Or 2-1 if you take away the Necas goal due to the penalty cluster at the end.

Of the four goals on Blackwood, two were goals the Devils aren't getting enough of right now: a shot from the high slot through a screen, and a rebound from in front of the net. Only Nico and Jack seem to go to the front of the net with any regularity. Others have to step up.

 

[Guttersniped]

the offense has been a little better, but we are still not getting any secondary scoring. it's all nico, bratt, hamilton and hughes for the past 3 games

I’m guessing things will open up against teams and goalies that aren’t the best in the NHL.

Guys like Sharangovich, Tatar, Mercer and Wood have been pushing for goals.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

@Call Me Al - I'm genuinely not sure what your point was. If the Devils had scored on their powerplay, why wouldn't mercer be out there? and graves would definitely be out on the PK.

@Bleedred - I agree with all re: Blackwood. I just can't fault him for this specific game.

I'm not defending the refs or Blackwood. I'm merely saying the Devils got a point they didn't deserve, and going forward the team needs to improve it's level of play. They really should have lost 3-1 even with Blackwood playing so well. Or 2-1 if you take away the Necas goal due to the penalty cluster at the end.

Of the four goals on Blackwood, two were goals the Devils aren't getting enough of right now: a shot from the high slot through a screen, and a rebound from in front of the net. Only Nico and Jack seem to go to the front of the net with any regularity. Others have to step up.

We lost at least a half dozen games where we “deserved” a point in the last couple weeks, so I’ll take it. We have to be at the very bottom of the NHL in games getting a point where we didn’t outplay the opposition.

 

[Devs3cups]

We lost at least a half dozen games where we “deserved” a point in the last couple weeks, so I’ll take it. We have to be at the very bottom of the NHL in games getting a point where we didn’t outplay the opposition.

I'd love a stat like that, where we could see our "Expected Points" in the last stretch lol.

 

[Call Me Al]

@Call Me Al - I'm genuinely not sure what your point was. If the Devils had scored on their powerplay, why wouldn't mercer be out there? and graves would definitely be out on the PK.

@Bleedred - I agree with all re: Blackwood. I just can't fault him for this specific game.

I'm not defending the refs or Blackwood. I'm merely saying the Devils got a point they didn't deserve, and going forward the team needs to improve it's level of play. They really should have lost 3-1 even with Blackwood playing so well. Or 2-1 if you take away the Necas goal due to the penalty cluster at the end.

Of the four goals on Blackwood, two were goals the Devils aren't getting enough of right now: a shot from the high slot through a screen, and a rebound from in front of the net. Only Nico and Jack seem to go to the front of the net with any regularity. Others have to step up.

the parade of penalties most likely wouldn’t have happened after that. maybe we would have been called for one, but as it was we should have had a power play for 33% of the game remaining.

maybe it would have been different, but the deck went from being stacked in our favor to being stacked against us very fast

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I'd love a stat like that, where we could see our "Expected Points" in the last stretch.

This was a 1-7-1 stretch

 

[Devs3cups]

This was a 1-7-1 stretch

Yeah, I saw that posted. That's pretty wild.

 

[Devils090]

Blackwood, Blackwood, Blackwood, Blackwood, Blackwood, Blackwood, Blackwood, Blackwood,... Schneider, Blackwood.


I hate this song.

I hear that goddamn commercial in my sleep

 

[Bcap88]

This isn’t an indictment of this game and this is a general assumption on my part but I think vitek gives us the best chance to win every night. Yes, he has his flaws as well but he’s more mentally stable than Blackwood and more consistent

 

[tailfins]

We lost at least a half dozen games where we “deserved” a point in the last couple weeks, so I’ll take it. We have to be at the very bottom of the NHL in games getting a point where we didn’t outplay the opposition.

I'm not sure about that. I'm not talking about xG or anything. Per Moneypuck, we lose that game 6.45 - 2.85 on xG. I don't think that's accurate.

I'm just saying the obvious - the Devils are a rush team, but that means when the other team limits turnovers and has good gap control, and the other goalie makes the save on the first shot, the Devils struggle. Making the goalie move is nice, but cross-ice passes in the offensive zone are hard to execute. It's much more realistic to get traffic in front - which is why so many coaches and commentators preach it.

Other teams have adjusted to the Devils speed and ability to counterattack. Now the Devils need to adjust their offense. It may not be possible this year or with this exact personnel. But, IMO, getting to the net will be what helps guys like Rango, Zetterlund, and Mercer take the next step in their development. Wood was doing this earlier in the year, so you'd like to see that come back. Obviously Bastian would help here. Hopefully Palat as well.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I'm not sure about that. I'm not talking about xG or anything. Per Moneypuck, we lose that game 6.45 - 2.85 on xG. I don't think that's accurate.

I'm just saying the obvious - the Devils are a rush team, but that means when the other team limits turnovers and has good gap control, and the other goalie makes the save on the first shot, the Devils struggle. Making the goalie move is nice, but cross-ice passes in the offensive zone are hard to execute. It's much more realistic to get traffic in front - which is why so many coaches and commentators preach it.

Other teams have adjusted to the Devils speed and ability to counterattack. Now the Devils need to adjust their offense. It may not be possible this year or with this exact personnel. But, IMO, getting to the net will be what helps guys like Rango, Zetterlund, and Mercer take the next step in their development. Wood was doing this earlier in the year, so you'd like to see that come back. Obviously Bastian would help here. Hopefully Palat as well.

I don’t think teams have adjusted much. Carolina just outplays everyone, and heavily (though they didn’t in our previous matchup). We gave Boston hell and created a bunch of chances. It just didn’t go in the net. 3.3 all situations xGs in game 1, 4.1 in game 2.

 

[Guttersniped]

This isn’t an indictment of this game and this is a general assumption on my part but I think vitek gives us the best chance to win every night. Yes, he has his flaws as well but he’s more mentally stable than Blackwood and more consistent

That’s a bold take for this board lol. Sure? He just got back on track after a tough stretch so I don’t really mind not playing him.

Vanacek won in Detroit so I assume he gets them again.

 

[Call Me Al]

Yeah, I saw that posted. That's pretty wild.

would love it if someone compiled the actual w-l record for the “deserve to win-o-meter” across the nhl

 

[MachoDiablo]

This was a 1-7-1 stretch

Ugh, was at both the Dallas and Philly games and they were two of the most excruciating lives experiences I've ever had at the Rock.

Just...how? How did @#$%ing nothing go in the net in those games? Just visibly the better teams in each game, generating better chances, more puck control, etc., and yet a vibe that it would take a miracle for any damn thing to actually go in the net.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Ugh, was at both the Dallas and Philly games and they were two of the most excruciating lives experiences I've ever had at the Rock.

Just...how? How did @#$%ing nothing go in the net in those games? Just visibly the better teams in each game, generating better chances, more puck control, etc., and yet a vibe that it would take a miracle for any damn thing to actually go in the net.

The Philly L was the only game I’ve been to this year and it was easily one of the most frustrating I can remember being at.

 

[DerekDevils30]

Jason the play by play guy with Chico yesterday was fantastic. I dig his voice and goal calls. It feels like a big moment when the Devils score. He had good banter with Chico as well.

 

[Tundra]

This isn’t an indictment of this game and this is a general assumption on my part but I think vitek gives us the best chance to win every night. Yes, he has his flaws as well but he’s more mentally stable than Blackwood and more consistent

I have no issue with VV being the #1 and forcing Blackwood to take his job. Competition is good.

 

[billingtons ghost]

This was a 1-7-1 stretch

Yeah, I wish hockey worked like that, where you could skate around the perimeter, lob shots on goal to accumulate winner points and they give you the W instead of how it really is, where the team wins that stays disciplined, makes fewer mistakes and gets the actual better chances (as opposed to some wonky formulaic thing based upon distance and angle). We deserved to win the Philly, Ranger games and get a point out of one of the Bruins games - outside of that, we had some huge chances we didn't capitalize upon but for the most part, we didn't play our game and looked disjointed with little or nothing going.

 

[NjDevsRR]

perimeter

This wasn’t the case for 4 or 5 of those games in that stretch

 

[Devs3cups]

Yeah, I wish hockey worked like that, where you could skate around the perimeter, lob shots on goal to accumulate winner points and they give you the W instead of how it really is, where the team wins that stays disciplined, makes fewer mistakes and gets the actual better chances (as opposed to some wonky formulaic thing based upon distance and angle). We deserved to win the Philly, Ranger games and get a point out of one of the Bruins games - outside of that, we had some huge chances we didn't capitalize upon but for the most part, we didn't play our game and looked disjointed with little or nothing going.

Definitely feel like we deserved a W in one of the 2 Boston games. All that would bring our record to 4-5-1 during that stretch. 9 points out of a possible 20 instead of 3. Way better position.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Maybe but they lost the majority of these games before he got hurt and the offense has been a little better the last couple games.

We got knocked around, defenses adjusted to us, and we haven't figured it out yet. We won't games like these last 10 THIS year, but we'll figure out a way to win them next year, I think - when we can change our attack.

I think it was really obvious that all of our rushes seem uphill and outnumbered and we are getting very few completed passes.

 

[Devs3cups]

Also, the only 2 W's we didn't truly deserve to win this year were the 2nd Washington game and the Reverse Retro game in Philly. Other than that, they were all deserved W's.

Sucks that we seem to lose so many we deserve. Would be nice if that turned back around a little bit.

 

[billingtons ghost]

DDefinitely feel like we deserved a W in one of the 2 Boston games. All that would bring our record to 4-5-1 during that stretch. 9 points out of a possible 20 instead of 3. Way better position.

I think we can make a case that we 'deserved' something in almost all of the games this season. This team is the best we have seen in a LONG time and it is just getting started. There were the three at the start and maybe three since that we 'deserved' to lose.

I just thought Bergeron's going right to the front of the net and tapping in the gwg was indicative of what we're up against. We played really well, but a veteran team knows exactly what to do against us to win. I was at that game and it was pretty clear to everyone in the place from the first period onward that this wasn't our game to win - I think as soon as McAvoy clobbered Nico the place became a morgue and we had the classic Devils fan reaction of 'oh shit'.

We just aren't there yet and our game falls apart under certain circumstances but it's pretttty nice to know we might have the horses.

This wasn’t the case for 4 or 5 of those games in that stretch

I don't know man. Our actual number of really good rushes and passes just dropped off precipitously. We moved the puck up the ice completing passes and breaking down defenses when we were winning. There's an awful lot of Jack Hughes against the world right now. (and if you're saying it's just him and he's becoming JUST that dominant getting inside by himself, then yeah... maybe I can get on board)

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Yeah, I wish hockey worked like that, where you could skate around the perimeter, lob shots on goal to accumulate winner points and they give you the W instead of how it really is, where the team wins that stays disciplined, makes fewer mistakes and gets the actual better chances (as opposed to some wonky formulaic thing based upon distance and angle). We deserved to win the Philly, Ranger games and get a point out of one of the Bruins games - outside of that, we had some huge chances we didn't capitalize upon but for the most part, we didn't play our game and looked disjointed with little or nothing going.

It’s fun to just make shit up