Rumor: Hurricanes could look to flip Rantanen if he doesn’t extend by the deadline

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

It’s kind of crazy Carolina didn’t ask for permission to talk to his agent before the trade considering they went through this last year with Guentzel

This was definitely more Sakic's doing than anyone else's. They were talking contract extensions and Rantanen's camp either tried to use leverage inappropriately or just plain f***ed around and found out. There was no reason to trade him. Like not even a little. I have to imagine it was because Sakic settled on a number he wasn't budging on. When Rantanen was put on the market, Carolina had the best offer. And their logic was they'd either upgrade from Necas or get one hell of an offer for Rantanen

f*** checking with Rantanen's agent. You just ask Sakic what Rantanen wanted before you offer Necas at all. Otherwise Rantanen's agent gets wind of it and raises holy hell about how Sakic will just trade you to Carolina to get you to sign for what he wants

 

[jonlin]

If Rantanen wants to win - do a trade with Florida and take a discount like 4x 10M. Then theres still time to cash in one more time.

Florida get:

Rantanen @ 4.75M, extension in place for 4x 10M

Carolina get:

- Verhaeghe signed until 2033 @ 7M
- 1st 2026

Reinhart - Barkov - Rantanen
Tkachuk - Bennett - Rodrigues
Luostarinen - Lundell - Boqvist

Thats a damn fine Top9

 

[BKarchitect]

If Rantanen wants to win - do a trade with Florida and take a discount like 4x 10M. Then theres still time to cash in one more time.

Florida get:

Rantanen @ 4.75M, extension in place for 4x 10M

Carolina get:

- Verhaeghe signed until 2033 @ 7M
- 1st 2026

Reinhart - Barkov - Rantanen
Tkachuk - Bennett - Rodrigues
Luostarinen - Lundell - Boqvist

Thats a damn fine Top9

There’s zero chance Rantanen takes 4x10, taxes or not. That’s just dreamland.

Carolina is still one of the top teams in the league and they have the ammo to do more before the deadline.

I’m not sure how being on a team that has the same record as the Panthers qualifies for “get me out of here, this team isn’t trying to win”.

 

[TheBigLetowski]

There’s zero chance Rantanen takes 4x10, taxes or not. That’s just dreamland.

Carolina is still one of the top teams in the league and they have the ammo to do more before the deadline.

I’m not sure how being on a team that has the same record as the Panthers qualifies for “get me out of here, this team isn’t trying to win”.

Adding to this. Even if they sign Rantanen to 13-14 per, they still have a TON of $$$ (25+ mil) to add to their team next year. Morrow(Possibly) & Nikishin (100%) ELC's take the spots of Orlov/Burns and the fwd group could see Nadeau/FUS. Canes look good if they can get Rantanen signed.

 

[wolfgaze]

Expensive price giving up Necas to have Rantanen for 20 games.

How does one evaluate the 'price' of acquiring Rantanen for 20 games without knowing the quality of the return they are going to receive when they trade him?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Rantanen @ 4.75M, extension in place for 4x 10M

Why on earth would Rantanen agree to this? The cap is about to go up to $100M, and he’s going into that era making Tyler Seguin money?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Losing him to FA would be such a disaster for Carolina

Would love to see it

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

If Rantanen wants to win - do a trade with Florida and take a discount like 4x 10M. Then theres still time to cash in one more time.

And if he gets a fluke injury that stunts or even ends his career, say two years in. Well, he's now lost upwards of 28M dollars over seven years.

There's a reason players rarely, if ever, take huge discounts like that. Is a career ending injury likely? No. But all it takes is one wrong play and millions of dollars go up in flames.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

The more this nonsense develops, the more glad I become that the Avs sidestepped this whole thing. I think he'd have been doing this exact same contract dance with the Avs straight to free agency. I don't think it has anything to do with Carolina specifically.

The player wants top dollar and the strongest evidence IMO is that he still hasn't fired his agent or even spoken ill of him once.

 

[jonlin]

There's a reason players rarely, if ever, take huge discounts like that.

Check Floridas roster:

Barkov 10M
Tkachuk 9,5M
Reinhart 8,625M
Lundell 5M
Forsling 5,75M

All signed longterm. This is a receip for winning. Nice weather, good team and a chance to win every year. Also taxes. If getting 20% more cash is more important for a superrich player, then I actually wonder how many braincells he has. All the guys above took a discount to win and they did.

 

[2014nyr]

How does one evaluate the 'price' of acquiring Rantanen for 20 games without knowing the quality of the return they are going to receive when they trade him?

Fair question, but speculation is unavoidable now. Personally, if they do move him, i have a hard time the return will equate to necas. That said, i think they may be able to find a return that does improve their roster, at least in the short term. I suppose you can’t rule out a flip for marner, maybe something with win around ehlers in terms of high end talents around the same age. Maybe boston decides to really tear it down and theres a way to work out mcavoy/marchand together. Maybe chicago for jones/a fwd not named bedard which…is basically nothing…prob need a 3rd team there. Maybe provorov+ in cbus. Buf might also work around cozens or byram +…but any deals for non ufa’s means that team will want an extension in place pre-trade…which pretty much rules out buf.

One deal i think might be entertained and would work out fantastic for car is fiala in la. He’d thrive in the car system…idno where la is cap wise but for my money fiala, ehlers+, and marner are the best options that might be available as approximate 1-1 deals. Outside of those it gets really complicated where returns are more sum of the parts or rantanen will have to agree to extend in the deal.

 

[Fatass]

Kevin Weekes- “I'm told the offer to Rantanen is north of 13M in and around the 13-14 million dollar number”. r/hockey • in 3 hr. Kevin ...

I thought 100 million would get it done. But now it’s looking like Rantanen wants 110+!
Trade him.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Check Floridas roster:

Barkov 10M
Tkachuk 9,5M
Reinhart 8,625M
Lundell 5M
Forsling 5,75M

All signed longterm. This is a receip for winning. Nice weather, good team and a chance to win every year. Also taxes. If getting 20% more cash is more important for a superrich player, then I actually wonder how many braincells he has. All the guys above took a discount to win and they did.

Those deals happened in a different cap era and if Rantanen wasn't going to take anywhere near this discount in Colorado where the the conversation was in the $12m range then why would he do it here? He would literally be back tracking on everything he has said an done up to this point.

 

[LevelingSolo]

Watch him sign with one of the Florida teams

 

[Fatass]

Those deals happened in a different cap era and if Rantanen wasn't going to take anywhere near this discount in Colorado where the the conversation was in the $12m range then why would he do it here? He would literally be back tracking on everything he has said a done up to this point.

Weeks suggesting the Canes offer is 13-14 per x 8. So it’s more, by 8-16 million than the Avs. If Rantanen is balking on that number then it might be best to move on.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Weeks suggesting the Canes offer is 13-14 per x 8. So it’s more, by 8-16 million than the Avs. If Rantanen is balking on that number then it might be best to move on.

To me it means it’s more than money for him now.

Wants to go where he wants to go. He probably wanted to stay in Colorado. Now he’s either gonna go somewhere he wants location wise or somewhere to make Colorado pay. Lol.

As a Jets fan this pains me but I can really see him joining the stars.

 

[Svechhammer]

The more this nonsense develops, the more glad I become that the Avs sidestepped this whole thing. I think he'd have been doing this exact same contract dance with the Avs straight to free agency. I don't think it has anything to do with Carolina specifically.

The player wants top dollar and the strongest evidence IMO is that he still hasn't fired his agent or even spoken ill of him once.

Man I don't even buy that there is anything developing.

Just last week the talking heads were saying the Canes were shopping him because they don't want to extend him. Now more respected talking heads are saying there is an on the table offer that would make him the highest paid player in the NHL, and something that would need to be exceeded by around $2m per year at a 7 year rate if he hits the market. Logically, it doesn't add up.

And on top of that, the Carolina front office is one of those in the league that has very few leaks. Look at how the Rantanen trade to begin with came out of absolutely nowhere. None of the talking heads have insight into our inner circle, not even our local guys do. So all of this swirl has been over pure speculation from people on the outside.

 

[WhataKnight]

I guess what blows my mind, is why didn’t they ask him? Why was rantanen blind sided? It’s not like he could have blocked it. Why not.

Listen there is 0% chance we are taking this number. Here is our offer. If you don’t want it, we are trading you.

Then if he says no…. Ask him if he wants to negotiate with a team.

I get if avs saw a package they liked. But wouldn’t they at least give him an ultimatum?

And wouldn’t Carolina want him to sign ?before giving up necas?

Whole thing makes no sense.

It looked like prolonging control over assets to me.

If Rantanen asked for 14M this summer and the Avs said yes, they’d have so much allocated to him, MacKinnon, Makar & Toews that efforts to stack the rest of the roster would be weaker. Meanwhile, Necas is at 6.5 for this season and next.

 

[SEALBound]

It looked like prolonging control over assets to me.

If Rantanen asked for 14M this summer and the Avs said yes, they’d have so much allocated to him, MacKinnon, Makar & Toews that efforts to stack the rest of the roster would be weaker. Meanwhile, Necas is at 6.5 for this season and next.

I secretly love the move from the Avs POV. Necas is a very capable replacement for Rantanen and won't break the bank when the new deal comes in. Leaves plenty of room to go get another scorer. Perhaps Boeser.

 

[Voight]

If they lose him, this will be an all time fumble by Dundon & Tulsky.

 

[SEALBound]

If they lose him, this will be an all time fumble by Dundon & Tulsky.

I mean, they won't. I imagine they are going to request the deal gets signed before the TDL or they will deal him.

Even TDL day, if they are waiting until 1pm, there's 1000% a team that would work a last min deal for Rantanen at 50% for a pick if all else fails. May not be the 100% recoup of assets but they won't lose him for nothing.

 

[The Burdened]

I mean, they won't. I imagine they are going to request the deal gets signed before the TDL or they will deal him.

Even TDL day, if they are waiting until 1pm, there's 1000% a team that would work a last min deal for Rantanen at 50% for a pick if all else fails. May not be the 100% recoup of assets but they won't lose him for nothing.

why not keep him and try for the Stanley Cup?
I would rather have him as a rental then have essentially removed Necas from the team for a 1st round pick that might be something in 2029.

Trading him away creates a huge hole and kills their chance at the cup.

 

[Svechhammer]

why not keep him and try for the Stanley Cup?
I would rather have him as a rental then have essentially removed Necas from the team for a 1st round pick that might be something in 2029.

Trading him away creates a huge hole and kills their chance at the cup.

We aren't winning the Cup this year. Defense isn't good enough, center depth needs improving and goalie is too inconsistent. The Rantanen deal was always bout getting someone in for the next 8 years, not this year, and judging from the reported offer on the table, it's hard to argue otherwise.

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

If they lose him, this will be an all time fumble by Dundon & Tulsky.

I wouldn't see it that way, especially knowing now that it's come out that there was no way that Necas was ever going to sign a long term deal.

In the last few years we've been the bridesmaid for Eichel, M. Tkachuck, Timo Meier and long term for Guntzel. It was incredible the day that we got a top 5? 10? winger in the league on our team. As forwards go we've needed a gamebreaker and we finally got one. If he leaves, he leaves, but I will give our management group kudos for continuing to try to get that game breaker on offense. Could they have done better with Guentzel? Absolutely. If it comes out that we offered 13.5x8, and he chooses free agency, you can't be mad at that. They learned from their mistake, they tried again, and it still might fail.

Florida is an amazing squad top to bottom. I mean they are the defending world champions for a reason. Tampa and now Washington are both great teams with championship pedigree. The NYR has given us hell in the playoffs. And that's just the East. We have to do everything we can to get past them. Winning a championship is hard plus you need a lot of luck. That's why you bring in someone of his caliber and roll the damn dice.

 

[The Burdened]

We aren't winning the Cup this year. Defense isn't good enough, center depth needs improving and goalie is too inconsistent. The Rantanen deal was always bout getting someone in for the next 8 years, not this year, and judging from the reported offer on the table, it's hard to argue otherwise.

be that as it may, it might be the Canes last legit shot at a Cup and trading out of him kinda kicks that can to them being a treadmill team in perpetuity.
I really don't see the harm in keeping him as a traditional rental. There is a timeline he is like Kawahi for the Raptors.

Realistically, what do they think they are gonna recoup that isn't already lost? They are not going to get a player who can help contribute today. Great get a late 1st. You remove a ppg player from your lineup and kiss any chance at seriously competing for the title this year goodbye, while strengthening another team.

Plus if they keep him, and say he gets to know the area and gel with the group and they go on a run, it might be enough for him to want to settle down in Raleigh and re-sign in the summer so long as the money is also right. And if he doesn't? Oh well life goes on what is done is done.