Prospect Info: Hunter Brzustewicz: 75th Overall 2023 Draft (Kitchener) - RD
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If you look at Pettersson’s Allsvenskan highlights he dabbed like every other goal.
Allvin probably saw those and has been hesitant to sign a long term deal since.
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Didn't realize we went to a new page, was late on the guess
Seems like in every draft there's at least one guy who should have gone a lot higher.....and definitely would if there was ever a re-draft.
Brzustewicz might be one of those players. Certainly if he'd lit it up in draft year like he is right now in the OHL, he would have gone much higher.
Still, six goals and 51 assists is nothing to sneeze at in your draft year. Maybe size was an issue--he's listed at 6', 188. But really hard to find any holes in his game right now.
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I wouldn't worry too much. It's also Italicized so it looks perfectly normally scaled.
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I do love the colored helmets with white jersey look. Not every team can pull it off but Kitchener does.
OHL teams play an unbalanced, 68 game schedule......which means that with 20 points through five games, Brzustewicz is on pace for 287 points.
Obviously that won't happen, but you'd have to think than an OHL points record for defensemen is within his grasp.
Obviously that won't happen, but you'd have to think than an OHL points record for defensemen is within his grasp.
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God we're due for a successful CHL talent, sheer law of averages should have been we've had a successful CHL talent by now.
who is kind of the face of the OHL right now? Colby Barlow gets mentioned quite a bit.
who is kind of the face of the OHL right now? Colby Barlow gets mentioned quite a bit.
Would be curious to hear about how well he is defending and what he's doing to make improvements in that facet of the game. Love seeing mind-popping offensive stats in a D+1 for sure, but I hope he can develop a well rounded game that will give him the best chance to become a productive NHL player.
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not likely. the chl is a historic anachronism in need of fundamental reform. either they fix the academics or they will miss out on more and more talent and get steadily dumber.
and before you say they already do that, speak to some high school teachers who deal with chl or even tier 2 junior kids and ask them how their education on average compares to that of a normal university bound student let alone a student who excells. or, better yet, ask the kids who go to school with them about the hockey kids.
Not very in-depth but Faber had this to say in today's Blackfish Report on Canucks Army.
He’s played a strong two-way game in our viewings this past week and just continues to take steps that have been impressive for a player in his draft-plus-one season. There’s just a lot to like from the right-shot defenceman so far this season. We will have to see if he can keep this up for the entirety of the OHL season.
What's wrong with their academics?
Do they have drastically lower standards than the NCAA?
The education stuff seems pretty good to me.
Here's a random WHL squad - I just picked the 19-20 Giants because they were the closest to Vancouver and the latest team that most players have graduated from junior from - and virtually every player is either playing pro hockey at a reasonable level or playing for a fairly prestigious Canadian university team.
Vancouver Giants 2019-20 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com
The roster, scoring and goaltender statistics for the 2019-20 Vancouver Giants playing in the WHL.
www.hockeydb.com
Not really sure what more you can expect over and above a huge majority of players either turning their WHL career into a pro livelihood or a quality university education.
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I think he was just saying we were due to get an impact player out of the CHL and he’s right. Whether you want to rant and rave about the education these kids are getting is another matter altogether. Buddy of mines son played four years in the WHL including three for the Giants and got a decent amount of money towards his post secondary education. He’s now installing AC and making good money.
Lots of kids like that.
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i can't speak to ncaa standards for hockey players but i have exposure to the hs situation for student athletes. i am not a teacher or a student/student athlete, but i know lots of both, so best to ask them directly if they work at or attend a school with a significant hockey stream.
obviously there are some good hockey students, but the general attitude and expectation on these kids seems to be to pretend and pose as studious, while at the same time being encouraged to do the bare minimum and taking the easiest course load possible to either graduate or meet college admission standards. the kids have to swim against the tide to be more ambitious. even then, most hockey players only get through with plenty of leeway from teachers and "extra help" from tutors, teachers and girlfriends.
the most damning thing i can tell you is that student athletes in other sports that also miss school tend to avoid hockey streams in hs even though the streams can save them a lot of time managing individual classes. this is from both the kids and parents wanting to stay away from the attitude and approach to academics of the hockey stream programs.
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both these things are related. that's a lot of potential chl hockey players out there who either quit hockey or play tier 2 or lower to be sure they can stay sufficiently focussed on academics. so the chl is drawing on a smaller talent pool than they used to.
so the odds of the chl finding impact players are dropping.
this is 100% the fault of the chl which continues to prioritize hockey development over academics. just the ncaa eligibility thing is absurd, let alone the shortcomings with high school education for junior athletes i mentioned.
it's hurting the development of canadian hockey generally to have this be our premier junior development league.
nothing wrong with pursuing a trade or ticket btw. i encouraged my son to enter a trade. but we also prioritized his education when he was 16 so he'd have a full opportunity to figure out for himself what he wanted to be, and be able to do it when he knew.
The NCAA having absolutely absurd self serving policies isn't the fault of the CHL. The CHL is not a professional league, the NCAA declares it one because it gives them an advantage on talent. If you want to complain about the ridiculous self-serving policies of the NCAA then great, that org is awful.
You don't seme to have much actual point beyond "they don't do enough", but you haven't actually given any evidence of how they are hurting the education of these kids?
Kids being lazy and not wanting to try in high school isn't atypical, hockey players or not. My high school was full of people who just didn't give a shit. You're complaining about hockey players largely being stereotypical dumb jocks.
Plus if you think the NCAA isn't doing exactly the same shit then I don't know what to tell you. Athletes are taken for their athletic ability and education only a concern because they have to keep up appearances. Some take it seriously. Some take an absurd set of courses and barely do any work.
Again, this sounds like it was written 20 years ago. Basically every CHL player in 2023 either goes on to a professional hockey career or turns their WHL time into a degree at a major Canadian university.
Guys aren't getting left behind.
The NCAA thing is because of the NCAA, not the CHL.
It seems that the much shorter schedule of the College Hockey season would allow for more time on campus and less time riding the bus to the next city. And with fewer games to play, there's more time to study and interact with other students. While still providing an excellent opportunity to get drafted and play in the NHL.
And while the CHL provides scholarships it's only a year of school for each year played, so if you get cut after one season you'd need to pay for years 2-4 of university.
I don't have data on the CHL, but roughly 90% of division I college athletes graduate with their degree (source). The CHL puts out a lot of PR on the number of scholarships it grants, but I didn't see anything on graduation rates or how many years those scholarships were for. So maybe not "left behind" but my gut says the college route typically provides the better educational experience.
And while the CHL provides scholarships it's only a year of school for each year played, so if you get cut after one season you'd need to pay for years 2-4 of university.
I don't have data on the CHL, but roughly 90% of division I college athletes graduate with their degree (source). The CHL puts out a lot of PR on the number of scholarships it grants, but I didn't see anything on graduation rates or how many years those scholarships were for. So maybe not "left behind" but my gut says the college route typically provides the better educational experience.
90% graduate but with degrees in what?
If you get cut from your NCAA team you’re out on your ass too.
The NCAA is a business, and that business isn’t educating people no matter how much they cling to that myth to justify their behaviour.
The CHL is the same.
I will say I do think that dealing with 16-20 year olds the CHL should be investing a lot into their futures. Scholarships and a reasonable academic standard are good.
And I think as a parent you’re absolutely right to be concerned about the amount of hockey and the time it takes away from education.
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