How to get the WCOH to appeal to you?

[The CyNick]

Not really the same because we actually do want the best 6 national teams the other 2 were just added to add 2 others that can compete.

Only usa and Canada are slightly penalized by the addition of them.

Idk why you're so mad about an extra tournament tho instead of not having it at all.

Sure go to a 6 team tourney but it's crazy the 2 make people so upset.

Its one of the funniest this I've seen in my life that people are so worked up about it.

 

[The CyNick]

Eliminate team North America and team Europe, that's a joke. I won't take it seriously for that reason alone, Canada and USA each have 2 teams representing them...someone didn't think that through. Yeah we get it there's a lot of North American talent, but it should be the absolute best vs best. Gaudreau should be playing for USA not North America.

Team Europe too...what the hell is that about. Stick like 5 countries together on 1 team ? Keep it country vs country and don't over use it like the NHL has done with outdoor games (yes i realize this is not an NHL event, it's an international level event) It kills the special feeling associated with the event when it becomes so common.

It was thought through very well. Team NA23 showcases the young talent in the NHL without crippling two of the strongest teams in the competition. Team Europe maximizes the NHLPA participation from the smaller nations and creates a more competitive team than any of those smaller teams would have been.

Really the only downside is people who were never going to buy tickets are complaining on the internet.

 

[Elvs]

It was thought through very well. Team NA23 showcases the young talent in the NHL without crippling two of the strongest teams in the competition. Team Europe maximizes the NHLPA participation from the smaller nations and creates a more competitive team than any of those smaller teams would have been.

Really the only downside is people who were never going to buy tickets are complaining on the internet.

There's more to hockey than just having the better players. Hockey isn't played on paper. If that was the case we'd already know who's gonna win the Stanley Cup this season. Better hockey players doesn't automatically = more competitive team. Anyone trying to solve Team Europe being bad by putting the Czech players on the team doesn't understand the problem. That's like trying to put out a fire using gasoline.

 

[YEM]

personally this is taking place at a very bad time of year for me, sports-wise
I was all about tennis the past couple of weeks with the us open, looking forward to the ryder cup in a couple of weeks, watching a lot of american football since that just started, baseball is finally getting to the point where their season is interesting, and I'm watching champions league football this afternoon and will be watching a lot more football this coming weekend. the WCOH is just not even close to being on my radar...

 

[JackSlater]

Well you're missing the key point that the NHL conducts a regular season which determines who qualifies for the playoffs. Unfortunately we don't have time for such qualification with this tournament, so you have to start with the playoffs. So you're comparison is fairly far off the mark.

Again another guy who doesn't read well. I never said there were European or North American passports. You guys gotta do a better job of reading, it helps move the discussion along without having to rehash previous posts. Hopefully these friendly reminders help improve your posting.

There is no point being missed. You simply fail to see (or admit) how one stupid idea (gimmicks in this tournament ) is just as idiotic as another stupid idea (gimmicks in the NHL playoffs). How the teams get there doesn't matter, especially since the teams in this tournament were clearly not just randomly selected. If the point is simply to drop the worst teams in order to increase entertainment value, as is being put forward, then clearly the solution is to introduce gimmick teams to the playoffs.

As for reading, you are correct about the North American passport, but very plainly mentioned the fictional European passport. Not a significant point though.

 

[Xokkeu]

Well you're missing the key point that the NHL conducts a regular season which determines who qualifies for the playoffs. Unfortunately we don't have time for such qualification with this tournament, so you have to start with the playoffs. So you're comparison is fairly far off the mark.

Again another guy who doesn't read well. I never said there were European or North American passports. You guys gotta do a better job of reading, it helps move the discussion along without having to rehash previous posts. Hopefully these friendly reminders help improve your posting.

Passports matter, but they don't matter, but they kind of matter. So all guys who have birthplaces in their passports who touch the pacific ocean can play for China. Since geographically they are congruent, and it meets the kind of passport mattering threshold. All the guys with Prairie provinces and Minnesota can play for Brazil, since the Americas are physically connected and we get the passport to kind of matter. All the guys from Quebec, New England and Atlantic Canada can play for Team Germany/England since they both touch the Atlantic. Then Canada can be just guys from Ontario and team USA can be guys from Great Lake states.

I appreciate the passive aggressive coded insults, all while calling out other posters for insulting them(brilliant double move!). You just have to forgive me as I get very confused when you say passports matter, then they don't, but they kind of do. So just trying to keep up.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Whether or not there is a "European" passport is debatable IMO. Technically I suppose the answer is no. However ...

I have an Estonian passport (in addition to my Canadian Passport).

1 - On the cover, it says European Union (in Estonian) above Estonia.
2 - This passport allows me to travel freely within the EU.
3 - In Estonia, this passport is commonly referred to as "Europass" (Euro Passport)

So the definition police will probably say there is no such thing as a European passport but the reality is, that term is widely used and my Estonian passport more or less acts as a "de facto" European passport.

The European Union exists, there is no way around that and their passports share many properties. In that context, the idea of the EU being represented by a sports team doesn't seem strange at all.

 

[Xokkeu]

Whether or not there is a "European" passport is debatable IMO. Technically I suppose the answer is no. However ...

I have an Estonian passport (in addition to my Canadian Passport).

1 - On the cover, it says European Union (in Estonian) above Estonia.
2 - This passport allows me to travel freely within the EU.
3 - In Estonia, this passport is commonly referred to as "Europass" (Euro Passport)

So the definition police will probably say there is no such thing as a European passport but the reality is, that term is widely used and my Estonian passport more or less acts as a "de facto" European passport.

The European Union exists, there is no way around that and their passports share many properties. In that context, the idea of the EU being represented by a sports team doesn't seem strange at all.

You can debate that, but Belarusian, Norwegian, Swiss, Kazakh players would not have "European" passports. If by some chance Ukraine every produced another NHL player they would also not be "European."

 

[Gary Nylund]

You can debate that, but Belarusian, Norwegian, Swiss, Kazakh players would not have "European" passports. If by some chance Ukraine every produced another NHL player they would also not be "European."

Fair point. What do we do when we have no more nations and one government rules the World? No more World Cups I guess.

 

[JackSlater]

Passports matter, but they don't matter, but they kind of matter. So all guys who have birthplaces in their passports who touch the pacific ocean can play for China. Since geographically they are congruent, and it meets the kind of passport mattering threshold. All the guys with Prairie provinces and Minnesota can play for Brazil, since the Americas are physically connected and we get the passport to kind of matter. All the guys from Quebec, New England and Atlantic Canada can play for Team Germany/England since they both touch the Atlantic. Then Canada can be just guys from Ontario and team USA can be guys from Great Lake states.

I appreciate the passive aggressive coded insults, all while calling out other posters for insulting them(brilliant double move!). You just have to forgive me as I get very confused when you say passports matter, then they don't, but they kind of do. So just trying to keep up.

Yes, the inconsistencies are problematic. Either nationality matters or it doesn't. The NHL has decided that it doesn't. It has the right to create such a tournament, but pretending it is an international tournament is somewhat unseemly.

I propose that the best way to appeal to fans of the gimmicks, or the smaller subset of fans only interested in seeing as many NHLers as possible, is the Alphabet Cup. Teams A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H all with the best players divided among them. Or those fans could simply be satisfied with the 1000+ games per year in the NHL when the world's best play against each other with pesky nationalities removed, but I guess that isn't enough.

 

[Jablkon]

It was thought through very well. Team NA23 showcases the young talent in the NHL without crippling two of the strongest teams in the competition. Team Europe maximizes the NHLPA participation from the smaller nations and creates a more competitive team than any of those smaller teams would have been.

Really the only downside is people who were never going to buy tickets are complaining on the internet.

You have to follow you nickname, but please, keep it bit more sofisticated....

 

[The CyNick]

Passports matter, but they don't matter, but they kind of matter. So all guys who have birthplaces in their passports who touch the pacific ocean can play for China. Since geographically they are congruent, and it meets the kind of passport mattering threshold. All the guys with Prairie provinces and Minnesota can play for Brazil, since the Americas are physically connected and we get the passport to kind of matter. All the guys from Quebec, New England and Atlantic Canada can play for Team Germany/England since they both touch the Atlantic. Then Canada can be just guys from Ontario and team USA can be guys from Great Lake states.

I appreciate the passive aggressive coded insults, all while calling out other posters for insulting them(brilliant double move!). You just have to forgive me as I get very confused when you say passports matter, then they don't, but they kind of do. So just trying to keep up.

Ive been consistent in what I have been saying regarding passports. They matter. You're idea is not very well thought out.

 

[The CyNick]

You have to follow you nickname, but please, keep it bit more sofisticated....

Why highlight the e and the co?

Is this a European thing?

 

[major major]

You can structure the tournament so that you neither have the gimmicky teams or the weak teams (like Denmark losing 10-0, etc...). Just make qualifications based on performance in other tournaments and take the top 7 teams. Get rid of pools. Take the top 4 teams from round robin for the semis.

The 7th spot would just have the top team of Switzerland, Slovakia, Germany, etc... . So whichever of them is most qualified in a given year would make it, and they'd probably be good enough to steal some games and keep it interesting.

 

[Xokkeu]

Ive been consistent in what I have been saying regarding passports. They matter. You're idea is not very well thought out.

Really wouldn't call out the Czech guy though.

 

[Jablkon]

Why highlight the e and the co?

Is this a European thing?

)Pretty much. We have to be eco. You know EU Commission pushing us,then Kyoto protocols. I am so overregulated and ecological that it even slips into my posts about hockey here. Always bad to see when somebody decode my subliminal messages

 

[Jablkon]

Anyway do we still have a team here or we fell somewhere to D group of three rounds qaulifications to WC? In that case we can offer some of our players. Pastrnak Hertlik package to team EURO or World? 2 tourneys for 3 milion dollars (will be used just solely for financing our hockey program). Healthy Krejci, good on blue line PP 2 mil! Take it or leave it!

 

[The CyNick]

Really wouldn't call out the Czech guy though.

That's a technology error. Out of my control.

 

[njdevsfn95]

Well they updated the trophy. So I've got nothing to ***** about anymore....until I find something new that is!

 

[sportsdynasty]

I'm not at all mad about an extra Tournament. As I said, as a college student the last World Cup I spent all my excess income to buy tickets to the games in Minnesota. I'm mad that team USA and Canada are penalized. I fail to see how you think it's only a slight penalty that the US loses some of it's best players for a team with not a lot of depth. I'm mad because I waited 12 years for the NHL to disgrace this tournament.

Team Canada is not penalized in any way. There is no player on team NA that would have made team Canada. Team NA is missing Johnny Hockey, that's it.

Team NA is not a disgrace, it's an ingenious idea by the NHL, and I applaud them for making the tournament more exciting with a young guns team.

 

[Xokkeu]

Team Canada is not penalized in any way. There is no player on team NA that would have made team Canada. Team NA is missing Johnny Hockey, that's it.

Team NA is not a disgrace, it's an ingenious idea by the NHL, and I applaud them for making the tournament more exciting with a young guns team.

Your post doesn't even make sense, so I don't know how to respond.

 

[JackSlater]

Your post doesn't even make sense, so I don't know how to respond.

Given the opinion expressed in that post, I suppose it isn't surprising that he didn't look into what he said at all (and how it is demonstrably wrong). McDavid is very likely for Canada, as Babcock thinks that "other people" would be on team Canada if the Young Gunz didn't exist, and Lombardi literally asked for the chance to pick Eichel for the American team and suggested that he wanted more.

 

[xxxx]

You have the best players in the world playing their hearts out and it doesn't appeal? Too bad.

 

[Xokkeu]

You have the best players in the world playing their hearts out and it doesn't appeal? Too bad.

It appeals to me about as much as regular NHL season games do