Player Discussion How overpaid is Tavares

[hamzarocks]

15 goals and 16 assists for 31 points in 32 games.

That cliff some folks keep chirping about… doesn’t seem to be panning out.

He’s literally been at the same consistent pace since he entered the NHL in 2009.

Hes been far better than could have expected after a poor second half and back to back bad playoff series. Playing like a low end 1C or elite 2C so far this year. Of course he isnt worth 11M but he is likely worth 8M this season which is still great value for Y7 of his deal for regular season alone play.

If he performs well in the playoffs we should consider an extension. If he doesnt then should move on and be active on trade market for a younger and faster 2C

Team not extending him and Marner yet shows management is committed to not making rash decisions and locking in guys who havent worked in the past.

No reason to extend Tavares before July, 1st 2025 He wants to be a leaf only so let things work out after the playoffs

 

[ACC1224]

Hes been far better than could have expected after a poor second half and back to back bad playoff series. Playing like a low end 1C or elite 2C so far this year. Of course he isnt worth 11M but he is likely worth 8M this season which is still great value for Y7 of his deal for regular season alone play.

If he performs well in the playoffs we should consider an extension. If he doesnt then should move on and be active on trade market for a younger and faster 2C

Team not extending him and Marner yet shows management is committed to not making rash decisions and locking in guys who havent worked in the past.

No reason to extend Tavares before July, 1st 2025 He wants to be a leaf only so let things work out after the playoffs

Were they rash decisions when they signed the other two early?

 

[hamzarocks]

Were they rash decisions when they signed the other two early?

Yes, especially nylander

 

[ACC1224]

Yes, especially nylander

What makes you think things have changed?

 

[hamzarocks]

What makes you think things have changed?

Marner and Tavares both playing well and in the past I'd expect them to have been extended or heavy contract talks going on

Dont see too many rumors yet of us looking to sign them before playoffs

Shanahan I think also only has 1 year left. MLSE may be looking to see how the shanaplan in its 10th year goes. If things go as they have in the past they likely are more open to a core shakeup + shanahan not being retained.

MLSE seems to want to see if this team can secure the division, have a good playoffs before rewarding 91 and 16 with big deals.

 

[ACC1224]

Marner and Tavares both playing well and in the past I'd expect them to have been extended or heavy contract talks going on

Dont see too many rumors yet of us looking to sign them before playoffs

Shanahan I think also only has 1 year left. MLSE may be looking to see how the shanaplan in its 10th year goes. If things go as they have in the past they likely are more open to a core shakeup + shanahan not being retained.

MLSE seems to want to see if this team can secure the division, have a good playoffs before rewarding 91 and 16 with big deals.

I think the lack of news is the new norm with Treliving in charge. Nothing was leaked before Nylander was signed either.
Guess we’ll see but I expect Marner for sure to be signed before the seasons out. Tavares is different because the Leafs have all the leverage.

 

[WillyC]

17 goals and 17 assists in 34 games played

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

17 goals and 17 assists in 34 games played

Beast mode.

We should either change the title of this thread, to "How CONSISTENT is Tavares" - or just create another one for the player himself that isn't about a 7 year old contract we all thought would age poorly, and didn't.

 

[Menzinger]

This is a stronger finish to his contract than likely anyone could have imaged when signed.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Gotta think his next annual salary starts at 6, anything less is a huge discount

 

[arso40]

I think the lack of news is the new norm with Treliving in charge. Nothing was leaked before Nylander was signed either.
Guess we’ll see but I expect Marner for sure to be signed before the seasons out. Tavares is different because the Leafs have all the leverage.

Of course it was

 

[Dekes For Days]

The Lightning didn’t let Stamkos walk for no reason. And the reason certainly wasn’t “brave” or “admirable”. They let him go because part of the job of being a GM is setting a reputation and BriseBois wanted to set an example for the everyone else that he won’t overpay for anyone, even if that someone is a franchise legacy player.

No, they let him go because he was old, not very good, and they had an immediate alternative that was better. The only one of those that applies to Tavares is old.

Similar to Dubas. He held a firm line negotiating with Nylander and went to the absolute last possible second only to get literally nothing and sign Nylander to exactly what the original offer was.

That's not what happened. Nylander caved.

Even the ones who are “great” at negotiating contracts, like Lou Lamoriello

 

[BraveCanadian]

I’m genuinely surprised how well he’s doing this year even though I thought a more direct style of play would help him.

That being said, please please please don’t resign him to too much money and term again. He was already overpaid for 7 years and he’s had a habit of trailing off the last while.

 

[Voodoo Child]

I think he will be re signed, because I think he folded a deal into giving up the C.

'Oh yeah, I'll give up the C, but not for free. I'll do it for a brand new 4x6 extension.'

I don't think I'd want to go 4 years and take him til he's 39 but that's not a horrible price.

 

[kevsh]

because I think he folded a deal into giving up the C

Good for him if he did. Otherwise, what a embarrassing pile of *** that was.

First, this nonsense about John being a "part of the process" (Yeah, the part where they told him he's no longer captain), then the humiliation of trotting him out at a news conference to hand off the "C" to Matthews.

If in hindsight he did that all with a smile on his face because it was part of deal for more $$$, well done, brother. Well done. And MLSE, so hyper-sensitive to their branding and all the PR B.S. would gladly have paid out for that spectacle if needed.

 

[Schennanigans]

He’s playing great this year. He’ll be getting half of what he’s making at minimum on a new deal and will probably get more.

 

[Goose]

This is a stronger finish to his contract than likely anyone could have imaged when signed.

And yet this thread exists with only 20% of people voting saying he's less than 40% overpaid.

80% of voters think he's 40% or more overpaid, in spite of being close to PPG his entire contract.

The lowest option in the poll is 40% or less, there isn't even a "we got what we paid fair market for, thanks JT" option, that's how blazingly stupid our fanbase is.

 

[DavidK]

What a pass by Tavares

 

[BraveCanadian]

And yet this thread exists with only 20% of people voting saying he's less than 40% overpaid.

80% of voters think he's 40% or more overpaid, in spite of being close to PPG his entire contract.

The lowest option in the poll is 40% or less, there isn't even a "we got what we paid fair market for, thanks JT" option, that's how blazingly stupid our fanbase is.

When a guy is making more than Sidney Crosby for 7 years, and paid in the range of guys that are dropping 130-150 point seasons and winning hardware, it’s pretty obvious that no fair market option is needed.

JT has played unexpectedly well this year after heavily relying on the PP (run by better players) for production and looking like he was pretty much cooked. But let’s not pretend the guy was ever worth 11 million.

 

[Goose]

When a guy is making more than Sidney Crosby for 7 years, and paid in the range of guys that are dropping 130-150 point seasons and winning hardware, it’s pretty obvious that no fair market option is needed.

JT has played unexpectedly well this year after heavily relying on the PP (run by better players) for production and looking like he was pretty much cooked. But let’s not pretend the guy was ever worth 11 million.

Nevermind I give up. You're comparing Crosby who never hit the open market to Tavares, a once-in-a-decade UFA opportunity. There's no arguing with someone like you.

 

[ACC1224]

When a guy is making more than Sidney Crosby for 7 years, and paid in the range of guys that are dropping 130-150 point seasons and winning hardware, it’s pretty obvious that no fair market option is needed.

JT has played unexpectedly well this year after heavily relying on the PP (run by better players) for production and looking like he was pretty much cooked. But let’s not pretend the guy was ever worth 11 million.

The entire league is overpaid in comparison to Crosby.

 

[ULF_55]

Were they rash decisions when they signed the other two early?

Nylander was extended this year, on January 9th.
Matthews was signed August, 2023.

I would not be surprised if Tavares and marner are re-signed tomorrow or next summer.

At his point Tavares is in line for a good contract, but obviously shorter term. Maybe 3 years, aligning with the Matthews expiration? And everyone is talking about deferred money. Can't see anything less than $6mm per.

 

[ACC1224]

Nylander was extended this year, on January 9th.
Matthews was signed August, 2023.

I would not be surprised if Tavares and marner are re-signed tomorrow or next summer.

At his point Tavares is in line for a good contract, but obviously shorter term. Maybe 3 years, aligning with the Matthews expiration? And everyone is talking about deferred money. Can't see anything less than $6mm per.

Not sure how that relates to my post.
I was just highlighting the hypocrisy

 

[ULF_55]

Not sure how that relates to my post.
I was just highlighting the hypocrisy

Nylander wasn't signed early, and Matthews was signed in when he could be.
I don't consider either early.
If you want to call Matthews one, superstars are locked up usually when they can be. Draisaitl is another example of a superstar re-signing when they can, before the season while still under contract. MacKinnon signed in September, 2022 while still under his old contract.

So the relationship, I disagree they were signed early.

If Leafs re-sign marner today, I wouldn't consider it early. I'd find it more unusual if they take the Stamkos approach and draw a line in the sand and let him shop himself around the league. Stamkos wanted to stay in Tampa, but talked to the Leafs, before re-signing in Tampa. The scuttlebutt was Leafs offering Stamkos over 10mm, and he took 8.5mm from the Lightning.

 

[Zybalto]

When a guy is making more than Sidney Crosby for 7 years, and paid in the range of guys that are dropping 130-150 point seasons and winning hardware, it’s pretty obvious that no fair market option is needed.

JT has played unexpectedly well this year after heavily relying on the PP (run by better players) for production and looking like he was pretty much cooked. But let’s not pretend the guy was ever worth 11 million.

The Art Ross winners point totals the 5 years prior to Tavares signing with the Leafs:

108
100
106
87
104

130-150 point seasons are pure myth at the time.

During those 5 years, Tavares was a 2x Hart finalist and runner up for the Art Ross.

Not surprising he got the money he got and maybe should have gotten more. Covid flat cap make his hit look worse than it really is. Without it, a ton more players would be making his money.

This season, Tavares has 17 goals and 36 points in 35 games

Tavares finished up last season with 17 goals and 31 points in 34 games.

Not really unexpected how he's playing this season is it?