Player Discussion How overpaid is Tavares

[BraveCanadian]

He is going to turn 35 before he plays a game on his next contract. If he puts up another dud in the playoffs, how can you justify brining him back? I'd pump the brakes for now.

This! The Leafs have to be very careful with the term and dollars if they resign him because he has only one direction to go... down.

 

[thewave]

He should absolutely be extended. He is easily the best C available on the market this year, and letting him go, for Gourde, or Granlund would make the team worse. Plus, he'll be the only one who "might" consider a discount.

He had no production for the first 10 games? You mean, 11 points in 10 games was no production?

Ok fine if he had 10pts to start the season. When the comments were made he was moving like parts of last year. He was reportedly doing some therapy of some sort and absolutely was slow.

Yes he is doing well now but that doesn't mean it will translate when he is 38 freaking years old let alone a fast paced playoff series. You guys just blindly support everything from massive overpays to Dubas Dubas Dubas, Keefe Keefe Keefe.

I have a joke for you... ok here goes. ..

So, the Toronto Maple Leafs sign another 35 year old to a large contract with term... That's the joke.

Killing me over here. Give him Knies money now! So we can have the next Kadri or Hyman shipped out. Reaves looks great too, why not bring Pronger back and Yzerman, hell maybe Shanny should hop on the ice.

 

[Fogelhund]

Ok fine if he had 10pts to start the season. When the comments were made he was moving like parts of last year. He was reportedly doing some therapy of some sort and absolutely was slow.

Yes he is doing well now but that doesn't mean it will translate when he is 38 freaking years old let alone a fast paced playoff series. You guys just blindly support everything from massive overpays to Dubas Dubas Dubas, Keefe Keefe Keefe.

I have a joke for you... ok here goes. ..

So, the Toronto Maple Leafs sign another 35 year old to a large contract with term... That's the joke.

Killing me over here. Give him Knies money now! So we can have the next Kadri or Hyman shipped out. Reaves looks great too, why not bring Pronger back and Yzerman, hell maybe Shanny should hop on the ice.

Triggered.

Being able to look at things objectively, is a skill. Nobody here supports Dubas or Keefe blindy, or at all at this point for that matter. That's a complete creation of your own mind. Nobody wants Tavares at a large contract with term.... and if you actually read some of the thread or fourm, you'd notice that whether he's extended, and for what, depends on this years playoffs... but make no mistake about it, he's better than dumping him, and signing Grandlund or Gourde as replacements.

 

[thewave]

Triggered.

Being able to look at things objectively, is a skill. Nobody here supports Dubas or Keefe blindy, or at all at this point for that matter. That's a complete creation of your own mind. Nobody wants Tavares at a large contract with term.... and if you actually read some of the thread, you'd notice that whether he's extended, and for what, depends on this years playoffs... but make no mistake about it, he's better than dumping him, and signing Grandlund or Gourde as replacements.88

Nah not triggered. Just want to get off the bus on these old guys. They have been killing our cup dreams for 40 years now. MLSE hasn't known a 35 year has been or once was they didn't want to toss money at..

It's groundhog day

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

anything over $3M per longer term and I would pass ..

Ridiculous.

Gourde, Granlund, Dvorak and Bennett are your next best C's, that "might" get to UFA.

Might.

Ya, we can F*** all that from the gallery. If you can sign market value 8 Mil Tavares (Thanks Stamkos!), at anything with a 5 on it...?!?!? You sign that yesterday, today, tomorrow, before playoffs, during playoffs, after playoffs, whatever - all day.

Just want to get off the bus on these old guys. They have been killing our cup dreams for 40 years now. MLSE hasn't known a 35 year has been or once was they didn't want to toss money at..

It's groundhog day

Ya, but all due respect, you're dragging one decade into the next for 40 years. Can't do that. Look, we all have PTSD, so I get it. But if JT scoring the only 2 hat tricks we've had this year, alongside being the best player nad FO man on the team all season, is his current status..?!? Then by all means - sign JT to 6 years, to 100 years - it doesn't matter the term. All that's going to matter is the next 3 years for this team w the contract structure as is - so after that it's a full tear down, regardless.

 

[Evilhomer]

This! The Leafs have to be very careful with the term and dollars if they resign him because he has only one direction to go... down.

Personally, I wouldn't resign him at all. I honestly don't see the point of giving him a retirement contract, no matter how cheap it may be (and obviously it won't be Jason Spezza cheap). At some point, it's okay to simply move on.

 

[Evilhomer]

Ok fine if he had 10pts to start the season. When the comments were made he was moving like parts of last year. He was reportedly doing some therapy of some sort and absolutely was slow.

Yes he is doing well now but that doesn't mean it will translate when he is 38 freaking years old let alone a fast paced playoff series. You guys just blindly support everything from massive overpays to Dubas Dubas Dubas, Keefe Keefe Keefe.

I have a joke for you... ok here goes. ..

So, the Toronto Maple Leafs sign another 35 year old to a large contract with term... That's the joke.

Killing me over here. Give him Knies money now! So we can have the next Kadri or Hyman shipped out. Reaves looks great too, why not bring Pronger back and Yzerman, hell maybe Shanny should hop on the ice.

I agree, but it's not even a question of whether the Leafs will resign him. Whether it happens today or on July 1, it's a foregone conclusion.

 

[Maple Leaf]

I agree, but it's not even a question of whether the Leafs will resign him. Whether it happens today or on July 1, it's a foregone conclusion.

MLSE needs him to keep selling amulets and keep their scam alive

 

[ACC1224]

I agree, but it's not even a question of whether the Leafs will resign him. Whether it happens today or on July 1, it's a foregone conclusion.

It’s hard to imagine that Tavares and Marner not signing before the season ends. Put all the distractions behind them so everyone can focus on the playoffs

 

[Evilhomer]

It’s hard to imagine that Tavares and Marner not signing before the season ends. Put all the distractions behind them so everyone can focus on the playoffs

I would honestly be shocked if both of them are not resigned well before the end of the season. I think it will be no different than Nylander. We will all wake up on a random day in January or February and they will be resigned. The team won't let it get to the end of the season.

 

[Nineteen67]

Pretty crappy team for 6th overall in the league, I guess.

and we still don’t know if they have the skill sets required to play playoff hockey. I doubt they do considering they can’t skate or pass the puck on the PP.

 

[Evilhomer]

and we still don’t know if they have the skill sets required to play playoff hockey. I doubt they do considering they can’t skate or pass the puck on the PP.

We will all find out in a few months. I think the Leafs have the benefit of a pretty mediocre Eastern conference this season.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Fun thread. It's nice to see Tavares shooting % rebound this year. He's been an important part of the team, and hopefully he extends at a level that allows us to build... I've maintained that's $3.5-5 million, though as a UFA he'd get more.

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I knew the right motivation would work in a contract year.

 

[Nineteen67]

We will all find out in a few months. I think the Leafs have the benefit of a pretty mediocre Eastern conference this season.

Yes it’s weak again this year. They’re lucky Buffalo and Detroit are still struggling.

 

[Evilhomer]

Yes it’s weak again this year. They’re lucky Buffalo and Detroit are still struggling.

It's not just Buffalo and Detroit. The entire Atlantic division is far worse this season. Florida is about to lose again tonight.

Sigh....Skinner.

 

[thewave]

I agree, but it's not even a question of whether the Leafs will resign him. Whether it happens today or on July 1, it's a foregone conclusion.

They just need to be mindful that Cowan, Knies, Woll, Stolarz and others will need more cap. You know how it is even with free agents, sometimes that 1mil cap means getting ROR over Holmberg.

It matters

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Personally, I wouldn't resign him at all. I honestly don't see the point of giving him a retirement contract, no matter how cheap it may be (and obviously it won't be Jason Spezza cheap). At some point, it's okay to simply move on.

He's easily one of the best players on the team right now. You seriously wouldn't res-sign him at a team friendly number?

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

He's easily one of the best players on the team right now. You seriously wouldn't res-sign him at a team friendly number?

Dudes is buggin' out here..

 

[Nineteen67]

It's not just Buffalo and Detroit. The entire Atlantic division is far worse this season. Florida is about to lose again tonight.

Sigh....Skinner.

I really mean they’ve been lucky over the years. Looks like Ottawa finally caught up to the pack

 

[Evilhomer]

He's easily one of the best players on the team right now. You seriously wouldn't res-sign him at a team friendly number?

Define team friendly. At $4 million for two or three years, sure. But $6 million dir that same term? No way

 

[Fogelhund]

It's not just Buffalo and Detroit. The entire Atlantic division is far worse this season. Florida is about to lose again tonight.

Sigh....Skinner.

and despite this weakness, as of today, FIVE Atlantic teams would be in the playoffs if the season ended today.

 

[Evilhomer]

and despite this weakness, as of today, FIVE Atlantic teams would be in the playoffs if the season ended today.

Because the Metro is even worse.

 

[Fogelhund]

Because the Metro is even worse.

Ah yes... every division sucks.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Because the Metro is even worse.

Ah yes... every division sucks.

Who let the dogs out who

 

[kevsh]

Stamkos had 40 goals and 81 points last year, roughly the same age as JT, and was able to convert that to $8M/4 yrs. And we can be certain John & his agent are well aware of that.

Tavares is on pace for similar numbers, but even if he drops off a bit and ends up at something like 35g/75 pts my guess is that he's rightly going to be looking at $6M+ x 4.

For the Leafs, I'd recommend sticking firm to 3 years max term at something in the 6 range and hope he really, really doesn't want to move his family. If he insists on getting paid Stamkos money and/or more term than the team is comfortable with they let him walk.

Unfortunately, this is MLSE and we all know what they're going to do. If Tavares keeps this level of play up, unless the team flops again in April and Shanny is convinced JT has to be the "cap scapegoat", JT is going to get $7+/4 yrs and retire a Leaf.