How much rope does DJ Smith have? [UPDATE: None]

[HoweHullOrr]

It seems that you’re advocating for the new owner, to be a meddling owner. It’s up to the GM whether or not the head coach is fired during the season, or at anytime.

Why would you want an owner to “call the shots” rather than an owner to allow his hockey management personal, manage the hockey operation?

Haven’t we already had enough of a meddling owner? For almost a decade many had been calling for the previous owner to butt out of hockey operations and hire someone more knowledgeable to be the POHO and let them manage the franchise.

The new owner has every right to operated the franchise as they see fit, and going by his track record, with hockey teams he has been involved with, I doubt he will be the type of owner who will fire the coach…. He will instruct whomever directly answers to him, to carry out his wishes, and the wishes will be communicated in the normal way down the chain of command and if the changes he was looking for are not carried out, the the coach and GM could both be gone.

Oh ya sure, thinking Andlauer might want to make a change is the same thing as a meddling Melnyk. If that's all you managed to figure out and come up with, I'm not sure what to say. LOL.

As I hinted, Andlauer would likely start by firing the GM.

Maybe just maybe Andlauer is smart enough to figure out that doing the same thing and expecting different results is not smart.

That wasn't my point though if you read the quoted posts and my post. And if I'm being honest, I'd do it if someone else had asked.

Andlauer and whomever his staff end up being will figure that out.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

That wasn't my point though if you read the quoted posts and my post. And if I'm being honest, I'd do it if someone else had asked.

So you can’t, okay, that answers the question.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Andlauer and whomever his staff end up being will figure that out.

For sure they will. GM candidates come from all over the place, many of which I would have no clue who they are. I don't see much use to me putting together a list, even if I did believe it would be met with a genuine response.

So you can’t, okay, that answers the question.

No, I just won't play your stupid games you play here.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Oh ya sure, thinking Andlauer might want to make a change is the same thing as a meddling Melnyk. If that's all you managed to figure out and come up with, I'm not sure what to say. LOL.

As I hinted, Andlauer would likely start by firing the GM.

Maybe just maybe Andlauer is smart enough to figure out that doing the same thing and expecting different results is not smart.

So you will start trashing the new owner when he takes over, and does not fire PD immediately….right?

For sure they will. GM candidates come from all over the place, many of which I would have no clue who they are. I don't see much use to me putting together a list, even if I did believe it would be met with a genuine response.


No, I just won't play your stupid games you play here.

Okay…. Easy to complain, but hard to back up your claims…. Got it.

 

[Big Muddy]

So you will start trashing the new owner when he takes over, and does not fire PD immediately….right?

I didn't see anywhere in that posters post about firing PD immediately. From what I read, the poster said that Dorion would likely be fired before DJ. I think you are inserting your own narrative erroneously into someone else's post.

 

[Loach]

Do you have a list of potential replacements for the current GM, that you think the new ownership group should choose from?

That's a good question. Who would you look at as a new GM?

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I didn't see anywhere in that posters post about firing PD immediately. From what I read, the poster said that Dorion would likely be fired before DJ. I think you are inserting your own narrative erroneously into someone else's post.

Correct. That's what I said.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

I didn't see anywhere in that posters post about firing PD immediately. From what I read, the poster said that Dorion would likely be fired before DJ. I think you are inserting your own narrative erroneously into someone else's post.

Perhaps he did not mean immediately… but he said Andlauer would “start” by firing the GM…. And that could be seen as when he starts as the. new owner…. But he has not answered yet to clarify.

To me, it all ties into how the team starts the season, and typically if a team fails to measure up to expectations the coach will be the first casualty and then perhaps later the GM.
Secondly both could be let go the same if the team begins the season terribly

Doubt very much the GM goes first in the early stages of the season when there is a much smaller pool of candidates to find a replacemen.

the most likely scenario I see, if the team fails to start the season strongly. Is the coach is let go, and if the team fails to respond and fails to make the playoffs, the GM is gone at or just before the end of the season.

we’ll see if this, or anything else along these lines happens.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

That's a good question. Who would you look at as a new GM?

Have not looked at any potential candidates… but then I’m not looking for the GM to be replaced soon… and have not researched who might be available

I could see it happen in the offseason next year, when the candidate pool is deeper…

 

[Game 7 Meltdown]

It's a results based league, but it's also a "players input" based league.

We've seen all kinds of guys get fired because of bad results but we've also seen some guys get canned based on player input. Usually Post season exit interview input.

In our case, seems the players want DJ. You'd think he'd of been terminated at season's end if the players were indifferent towards him.

Re the "player input" angle. Did we ever find out if it was true that the reason the Bruins canned Bruce Cassidy was that the B's leadership core complained about him.? Read a lot of "True!"- "Is not!" - "Is too!" type commentary during the finals but not much since. Not that Cassidy would be too upset either way.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Okay…. Easy to complain, but hard to back up your claims…. Got it.

I was not the one complaining though. I never said fire Dorion or even implied it and you came in and started asking for a list of candidates as if that was relevant. I even said to read it again to get proper context and you just came back with the same.

The posters I quoted were complaining about people and their pitchforks claiming they'll just be moving targets (presumably to the next GM) and I provided an alternative view to their complaints about the GM turnover in Ottawa and previous hiring practices.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Re the "player input" angle. Did we ever find out if it was true that the reason the Bruins canned Bruce Cassidy was that the B's leadership core complained about him.? Read a lot of "True!"- "Is not!" - "Is too!" type commentary during the finals but not much since. Not that Cassidy would be too upset either way.

I read a lot of True, very little not true. I believe it to be true, too many stories about it.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Perhaps he did not mean immediately… but he said Andlauer would “start” by firing the GM…. And that could be seen as when he starts as the. new owner…. But he has not answered yet to clarify.

To me, it all ties into how the team starts the season, and typically if a team fails to measure up to expectations the coach will be the first casualty and then perhaps later the GM.
Secondly both could be let go the same if the team begins the season terribly

Doubt very much the GM goes first in the early stages of the season when there is a much smaller pool of candidates to find a replacemen.

the most likely scenario I see, if the team fails to start the season strongly. Is the coach is let go, and if the team fails to respond and fails to make the playoffs, the GM is gone at or just before the end of the season.

we’ll see if this, or anything else along these lines happens.

You read in to what I said and made an assumption, and you were wrong. I'd think Dorion would be the first to go and this is usually the case in this kind of situation. And, I said nothing about it happening "immediately". That was your insertion. Naming an interim GM has been done many times in the past, so its not like this is unusual.

I don't know how much prep work Andlauer has done, but I can see a situation where he waits until somewhere around American Thanksgiving to make changes if there's another slow start. Again, it depends, at least in part (minimally), on how much prep work he is doing behind the scenes until the sale is finally consummated.

The situation of a new owner, new regime with new staff can't be really compared & is in contrast to an owner, GM and regime that has been around for multiple (e.g., 5 +) years. A new owner is going to look at history, what has happened over the years and will make an analysis of the situation. He isn't going to wait until the day after the sale is finalized. I'll call that common sense.

For all I know, if the Sens get off to a hot start and are one of the top teams in the Eastern Conference through November and December, maybe Dorion/DJ finish the year. Lots of things are possible, but of course, there's a difference between what is possible versus what is likely. I'd wonder what the odds would be in Vegas for this? Personally, I'm not going to be too surprised by whatever outcome.

 

[Loach]

You read in to what I said and made an assumption, and you were wrong. I'd think Dorion would be the first to go and this is usually the case in this kind of situation. And, I said nothing about it happening "immediately". That was your insertion. Naming an interim GM has been done many times in the past, so its not like this is unusual.

I don't know how much prep work Andlauer has done, but I can see a situation where he waits until somewhere around American Thanksgiving to make changes if there's another slow start. Again, it depends, at least in part (minimally), on how much prep work he is doing behind the scenes until the sale is finally consummated.

The situation of a new owner, new regime with new staff can't be really compared & is in contrast to an owner, GM and regime that has been around for multiple (e.g., 5 +) years. A new owner is going to look at history, what has happened over the years and will make an analysis of the situation. He isn't going to wait until the day after the sale is finalized. I'll call that common sense.

For all I know, if the Sens get off to a hot start and are one of the top teams in the Eastern Conference through November and December, maybe Dorion/DJ finish the year. Lots of things are possible, but of course, there's a difference between what is possible versus what is likely. I'd wonder what the odds would be in Vegas for this? Personally, I'm not going to be too surprised by whatever outcome.

Seems like people think the evaluation of PD will start when Andlauer takes over the team. Dude was on the Nhl Govenors Board for the Canadians if I remember right. He knows what's up. The evaluation has already been done. I bet DJ has more rope than PD.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Seems like people think the evaluation of PD will start when Andlauer takes over the team. Dude was on the Nhl Govenors Board for the Canadians if I remember right. He knows what's up. The evaluation has already been done. I bet DJ has more rope than PD.

So Andlauer has been making evaluations on all the other 31 teams GMs, coaches and staff over the past few seasons…. And not concentrating solely on his (Montreal) own team all along….. never knew this was the role of a Governor.

 

[Loach]

So Andlauer has been making evaluations on all the other 31 teams GMs, coaches and staff over the past few seasons…. And not concentrating solely on his (Montreal) own team all along….. never knew this was the role of a Governor.
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You are redonkulous. Keep on Hee Hawin'! Lol.

 

[Big Muddy]

You are redonkulous. Keep on Hee Hawin'! Lol.

I'm not sure why Andlauer would have been assessing GMs/coaches in the other 31 NHL teams for the past several years. But, he will certainly be assessing the situation with the Ottawa Senators, the team he has just recently bought. I agree that the reply you got was kind of bizarre.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

You are redonkulous. Keep on Hee Hawin'! Lol.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

So Andlauer has been making evaluations on all the other 31 teams GMs, coaches and staff over the past few seasons…. And not concentrating solely on his (Montreal) own team all along….. never knew this was the role of a Governor.
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yes, Andlauer is a hockey savant that knows everything about hockey off and on the ice. He is buying the Sens solely to take Zachary Bierk's job, as well as become the 9th GM in Ottawa's storied history.

He will not keep DJ Smith because of the gum he threw into the Bell Centre seats. A hockey savant never forgets.

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[Tnuoc Alucard]

yes, Andlauer is a hockey savant that knows everything about hockey off and on the ice. He is buying the Sens solely to take Zachary Bierk's job, as well as become the 9th GM in Ottawa's storied history.

He will not keep DJ Smith because of the gum he threw into the Bell Centre seats. A hockey savant never forgets.

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Hey, if Jerry Jones can own and be the GM of the Cowboys, why not Andlauer?

 

[Silky Johnson]

He should have negative rope. And by that I mean please, please replace him.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I suspect DJ will coach the team next year because he deserves to continue doing so, and if the team doesn’t take the next step he will be the first casualty as coaches tend to be.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

I suspect DJ will coach the team next year because he deserves to continue doing so, and if the team doesn’t take the next step he will be the first casualty as coaches tend to be.

"Deserves" is doing one hell of a lot of heavy lifting here.

 

[Ice-Tray]

"Deserves" is doing one hell of a lot of heavy lifting here.

Says you. I think he and his staff have done a great job developing this young team.

Now it’s time for him to coach them to become a winner. He’s acknowledged the change needed this year, but he has to make it happen. He deserves the chance to try and make the transition in my opinion.

Young coach, young team, I can be patient for just a little longer.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Says you. I think he and his staff have done a great job developing this young team.

Now it’s time for him to coach them to become a winner. He’s acknowledged the change needed this year, but he has to make it happen. He deserves the chance to try and make the transition in my opinion.

Young coach, young team, I can be patient for just a little longer.

Most people in the NHL agree with your sentiment