How much rope does DJ Smith have? [UPDATE: None]

[Golden_Jet]

The time to fire him was when there was gaps in the schedule. December is busy. Firing him now would be a lot tougher to change systems and everything.

There won’t be a lot of practice days, with the schedule.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

DJ is the biggest scapegoat right now and rightfully.

But the way bigger and real long term problem is the players.

These guys are just happy to be making their millions.

I would agree with this if this team had cycled through numerous coaches but DJ is the only coach some of these guys know.

 

[Super Cake]

Dj is going to get promoted to gm and then figure out how to clone himself multiple times so that we can have a full coaching staff of Dj Smiths.

He is like a parasite that won't go away.

 

[DJB]

DJ is the biggest scapegoat right now and rightfully.

But the way bigger and real long term problem is the players.

These guys are just happy to be making their millions.

Tell me you don’t know hockey without telling me you don’t know hockey.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Tell me you don’t know hockey without telling me you don’t know hockey.

Yes because DJ is mind controlling the players on the ice to be soft, fragile, spoiled, and to coast defensively. When it's not only his job at risk but his career.

Some of these players are just soft, fragile, spoiled, and only like to play offense and not defense, DJ or not.

New coach will come in and some of these guys will not be able to change their stripes and will be traded.

The real problem is that they all already got paid up front and they do not have to work hard another day in their life and they are still set for life. And it shows.

A Lot of these guys keep repeating that it's a business, especially Brady. These guys consider it a money transaction instead of sports and they got paid off bad habits. And it shows.

 

[GCK]

Anybody with a bit of hockey IQ can see that this is a really bad team full of good players

One of the biggest waste of talent in the NHL for a while. Reminds me of the Rangers team back in the days

The team is soft as Charmin. We have D that have to front players because they can’t win physical battles or control sticks. No team gives up more goals from tipped point shots than this group from what I watch.

 

[Philadelphia Collins]

Compare DJs postgame after a 4-2 loss to the worst team in the East (besides us lol) to Jon Coopers reaction to losing 4-2 to the Pens thursday night.

That’s how a coach should be after a loss like that, pissed off and calling out his teams effort, not throwing out the loser talk about “bad bounces” or “we liked a lot of things we did tonight”

 

[SensHulk]

DJ is the biggest scapegoat right now and rightfully.

But the way bigger and real long term problem is the players.

These guys are just happy to be making their millions.

No one is pushing their buttons right now. First time might have been the fans and Brady threw a hissy fit

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I know inflation and all that and league growth yadda yadda but

I think Daniel Alfredssons career earnings were 44 million. He had to beg for contracts that didn't even crack 5 mill.

Meanwhile Josh Norris topped Daniel Alfredssons career earnings off one 66 point season. Brady Tkachuck topped Daniel Alfredssons earnings off one 50 points season and using the C to blackmail.


I bet some of these old heads working with the the team like Alfie, Redden, Neil etc are shaking their heads at how soft and spoiled these kids are right now.

 

[Tundraman]

The owner has yet to feel real pressure but eventually the fans will decide. Not because of the howling, chanting and complaining but by the attendance at non MTL and TO games. When those numbers drop significantly they'll act but unfortunately too late to save the season.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I know inflation and all that and league growth yadda yadda but

I think Daniel Alfredssons career earnings were 44 million. He had to beg for contracts that didn't even crack 5 mill.

Meanwhile Josh Norris topped Daniel Alfredssons career earnings off one 66 point season. Brady Tkachuck topped Daniel Alfredssons earnings off one 50 points season and using the C to blackmail.


I bet some of these old heads working with the the team like Alfie, Redden, Neil etc are shaking their heads at how soft and spoiled these kids are right now.

67 million, right from capfriendly . Only off by 50% lol.

His longest contract signed he took a 25% rollback, shortly after signing due to salary cap being implemented.

At least get your facts straight. I guess you always exaggerate them, to make point look better, but actually makes point look worse, and lack of knowledge.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

67 million, right from capfriendly . Only off by 50% lol.

His longest contract signed he took a 25% rollback, shortly after signing due to salary cap being implemented.

At least get your facts straight. I guess you always exaggerate them, to make point look better, but actually makes point look worse, and lack of knowledge.

I got it off cap friendly. It said his career earmings were that much. But you're right, they didn't include the pre 04 earnings for some reason.

And big whoop lol. Brady, Chabot, and Josh made that much off a couple of seasons of work where they proved nothing. Look at their play now. You don't see the problem here?

 

[Norris4Norris]

Okay so now we can all agree that we suck as an NHL team.

People think it's DJ Smith's fault, which it might be.

But what about the players? Maybe they just aren't as good as we thought that they were.

The top two lines on paper look nice but are not nice in reality. Tarasenko is too old and slow to get into position to score and when he does he misses.

The bottom two lines might be the worst in the NHL.

Our captain Tkachuk can't play defense and Timmy Stutzle spends most of his time crying on the ground instead of getting up and backchecking.

For goodness sake Giroux is one of the worst on the team for neutral zone giveaways.

Batherson is hit or miss, Kubalik is a MISS.

Our defence I thought would be great, but the only defender who can and will defend our own zone is Sanderson.

We needed to have kept Debrincat. The Kubalik trade was an absolute fleecing from the Detroit Red wings over the lowly Ottawa Senators.

If we had Formenton, Pinto and Greig we might be in a better place. Or we might not be. They might turn out to be defensive flops just like the rest of our forwards (and defensive group).

 

[camZ]

Okay so now we can all agree that we suck as an NHL team.

People think it's DJ Smith's fault, which it might be.

But what about the players? Maybe they just aren't as good as we thought that they were.

The top two lines on paper look nice but are not nice in reality. Tarasenko is too old and slow to get into position to score and when he does he misses.

The bottom two lines might be the worst in the NHL.

Our captain Tkachuk can't play defense and Timmy Stutzle spends most of his time crying on the ground instead of getting up and backchecking.

For goodness sake Giroux is one of the worst on the team for neutral zone giveaways.

Batherson is hit or miss, Kubalik is a MISS.

Our defence I thought would be great, but the only defender who can and will defend our own zone is Sanderson.

We needed to have kept Debrincat. The Kubalik trade was an absolute fleecing from the Detroit Red wings over the lowly Ottawa Senators.

If we had Formenton, Pinto and Greig we might be in a better place. Or we might not be. They might turn out to be defensive flops just like the rest of our forwards (and defensive group).

Players just don’t forget how to play hockey. When they come to Ottawa it seems they do. The coach needs to be changed yesterday before we start blaming the players.

Yes the players have their flaws, but when they are not held accountable to anything, why change to improve?

Chabot got pick pocketed like a novice player last night and they scored right after,.. think he heard anything about it? Nope probably got double shifted right after.

Has DJ ever given a real answer to a post game press conference or is it always bad bounces, we played hard, we deserved better and their goalie was good .

 

[OD99]

It's time for a good rant from DJ.

This would, or course, apply to the entire team.

 

[Norris4Norris]

Players just don’t forget how to play hockey. When they come to Ottawa it seems they do. The coach needs to be changed yesterday before we start blaming the players.

Yes the players have their flaws, but when they are not held accountable to anything, why change to improve?

Chabot got pick pocketed like a novice player last night and they scored right after,.. think he heard anything about it? Nope probably got double shifted right after.

Has DJ ever given a real answer to a post game press conference or is it always bad bounces, we played hard, we deserved better and their goalie was good .

I agree with this. We def need to change coaches. The accountability from the players and future coach would be a nice change.

I just spend so much time blaming DJ in my mind that I figure I might have overestimated the talent and capability of this team regardless of the coach.

Every terrible team needs a coaching change, but every coaching change does not necessarily change a terrible team.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I got it off cap friendly. It said his career earmings were that much. But you're right, they didn't include the pre 04 earnings for some reason.

And big whoop lol. Brady, Chabot, and Josh made that much off a couple of seasons of work where they proved nothing. Look at their play now. You don't see the problem here?

Looks fine to me on capfriendly

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Thank you for the amazing 9 years

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There you go again with the big exaggeration again lol.

Alfie was making more as a % of cap, when cap was implemented, and that includes the 25% rollback.

4.6 million in a $39 million cap (after rollback) < 8 million in a 80 million cap.

In the 90,s $50 million got you the Sens, now it gets you 5% of the Sens.

 

[camZ]

I agree with this. We def need to change coaches. The accountability from the players and future coach would be a nice change.

I just spend so much time blaming DJ in my mind that I figure I might have overestimated the talent and capability of this team regardless of the coach.

Every terrible team needs a coaching change, but every coaching change does not necessarily change a terrible team.

For sure - on paper we have some really good and elite pieces, but without any control or system they are clearly playing shinny hockey. The lack of awareness by all in the d zone is just mind blowing. It’s been 6 years of this. It’s clear to me that DJ is gonna be the scape goat to get us to the off season and then they’ll hire a new coach. Another wasted season.

 

[DJB]

Yes because DJ is mind controlling the players on the ice to be soft, fragile, spoiled, and to coast defensively. When it's not only his job at risk but his career.

Some of these players are just soft, fragile, spoiled, and only like to play offense and not defense, DJ or not.

New coach will come in and some of these guys will not be able to change their stripes and will be traded.

The real problem is that they all already got paid up front and they do not have to work hard another day in their life and they are still set for life. And it shows.

A Lot of these guys keep repeating that it's a business, especially Brady. These guys consider it a money transaction instead of sports and they got paid off bad habits. And it shows.

You are really out of touch on this one

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Looks fine to me on capfriendly

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Thank you for the amazing 9 years

www.capfriendly.com

There you go again with the big exaggeration again lol.

Alfie was making more as a % of cap, when cap was implemented, and that includes the 25% rollback.

4.6 million in a $39 million cap (after rollback) < 8 million in a 80 million cap.

In the 90,s $50 million got you the Sens, now it gets you 5% of the Sens.

That is not the page I saw. On the other one it said he signed 3 contracts for 44 million. Should have reflected on that more, true.

SUMMARY▴​

Daniel Alfredsson is a 50 year old right wing who was born on Dec. 11, 1972. He was drafted 133rd overall by the Ottawa Senators in the 6th round of the 1994 entry draft. He has signed 3 contracts worth a total value of $44,495,504. Over a career that spans 18 seasons (with at least 1 NHL GP), he has a total 1157 Pts in 1246 GP, and 100 playoffs Pts in 124 GP.


And dude I already said times have changed.

My point is that these new kids aren't fit to kiss Alfies feet. Alfredsson played with more hunger in his 38 and 39 year old season than these guys are showing now! These guys made Alfredssons career earnings on their first contracts without having done or proven ANYTHING.

And now they are kicking up their feet like a job well done.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I got it off cap friendly. It said his career earmings were that much. But you're right, they didn't include the pre 04 earnings for some reason.

And big whoop lol. Brady, Chabot, and Josh made that much off a couple of seasons of work where they proved nothing. Look at their play now. You don't see the problem here?

I don't think your comparisons are fair.

Correct me if I'm wrong but in today's NHL GMs pay for future projections. Locking in players and burning ELCs to save money down the road. Not to mention that primes of players seems to be younger now than that of yesteryears.

Also inflation, even though you glossed over it, plays a massive role in the discrepencies. Salaries today comparatively speaking to salaries back in the days aren't a 1 to 1 comparison dollar value wise.

You can make the point that these players are a bit coddled but to use salary as a basis for comparison sake when the players have barely played enough nhl seasons is disingenuous.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I don't think your comparisons are fair.

Correct me if I'm wrong but in today's NHL GMs pay for future projections. Locking in players and burning ELCs to save money down the road. Not to mention that primes of players seems to be younger now than that of yesteryears.

Also inflation, even though you glossed over it, plays a massive role in the discrepencies. Salaries today comparatively speaking to salaries back in the days aren't a 1 to 1 comparison dollar value wise.

You can make the point that these players are a bit coddled but to use salary as a basis for comparison sake when the players have barely played enough nhl seasons is disingenuous.

Giving out retirement contracts to players the quality of these guys is clearly wrong.

Should only do it for Sanderson and Stutzle caliber players.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Giving out retirement contracts to players the quality of these guys is clearly wrong.

Should only do it for Sanderson and Stutzle caliber players.

How is it a retirement contract.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

How is it a retirement contract.

Because you never have to worry about money again if you get 60 million.

Heck your grandkids kids might not have to worry about anything with that kind of money.

 

[IpsoPostFacto]

Yes because DJ is mind controlling the players on the ice to be soft, fragile, spoiled, and to coast defensively. When it's not only his job at risk but his career.

Some of these players are just soft, fragile, spoiled, and only like to play offense and not defense, DJ or not.

New coach will come in and some of these guys will not be able to change their stripes and will be traded.

The real problem is that they all already got paid up front and they do not have to work hard another day in their life and they are still set for life. And it shows.

A Lot of these guys keep repeating that it's a business, especially Brady. These guys consider it a money transaction instead of sports and they got paid off bad habits. And it shows.

Assuming your argument that the players are soft, fragile, spoiled, and coast defensively, it can be argued that the coach is "mind controlling players".

DJ has nothing to lose at this point right - either the team is not going to consider firing him until a new GM is hired or they might hit the tipping point and pull the trigger.

I don't have the stats in front of me and obviously don't know what goes on in the room, but I see DJs comments after losses like last night. Has he even tried simple things like taking your favourite lazy player and taking away PP time, or starting the game with the 4th line, or sticking him on the 4th line for a period or whatever other little things that would give a player pause to think?

Players are no more paid in advance than the coach is. Maybe everyone is lazy or soft or whatever.