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How much rope does DJ Smith have? [UPDATE: None]

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Ouroboros said:
Some of the private/proprietary data paints a different picture. Mike Kelly was on Shawn Simpson's podcast a few days ago and he says that the Sens grade out pretty strong defensively using SportLogiq's numbers. That's the company the Sens hired Sean Tierney from, so if he's using the same data set he's probably telling DJ that things are getting better.
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Yost also had an article, it was pretty brief but he had point projections based of their data and it painted a prettier picture.
 
Micklebot said:
sportLogiq also uses arguably a better data collection means, they aren't using the NHL real time data which has issues with rink bias, but rather AI reviewing the video.

I suspect the quality of the sportLogiq stuff is better, but who knows, since they are transparent the way the open source stuff tends to be.
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Given the information he gives the data is at least more in-depth, tracking slot shots, rush chances etc. From an outside perspective they seems to do a better job at categorizing different data points.
 
Big Muddy said:
Agreed. A win in the next game could result in us leap frogging two teams reducing the total number of teams that need to be leap frogged. One game at a time, but they do need to string wins together now and in the near future.
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Yeah they absolutely need to string 4 or 5 together at this point.

Theyre not out of it yet, but if they don't put together a streak soon they will be
 
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I'm not going to actively stop watching them or take a hiatus or anything, but if this guy is our coach for much longer, I'm going to certainly reduce how many games I make an effort to actually see. My 7-10 time slot is packed with other things in life and it isn't worth prioritizing this version of the Sens over those things. Can't believe he's making me lose interest like this.
 
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WORLDSTARHIPHOP said:
Sure but it didn't, doing so in the middle of the season is by definition reactive, it is what it is.

You're looking at this at a fan perspective, which I don't blame you. A coaching change also doesn't mean we automatically play well. What happens if we play worse? Your players get alienated and the locker room goes to shit.

Who are you going to hire this offseason? There's not much pickings out there. Are you going to hire a GM first? Are you going to go with an interim coach? You're definitely not going to have a full hiring process. Who's going to come in knowing they'll probably be fired in the offseason? What if your interim coach does well? Do you keep him at the end of the season considering you haven't run a full hiring process? Do you keep him knowing it might've been a fluke? That's not considering the fact that you still have to bring in a GM. Will he want his own coach? etc. etc.

Management side of things it's 100x more messy firing DJ at this point. Considering that implementing a new system in the middle of the season is pretty much impossible, the gamble that this team will do much better rather than worse is probably worth the millions spent in breaking contracts, hiring someone, and then breaking their contract again this offseason.

Andlauer just spent half a billy. If he thinks that this season can crash and burn if it means running a proper process and having a better chance of hiring the right GM/coach in the offseason, he's not even going to blink.

The argument here isn't that DJ isn't bad or needs to go, but firing him now is another gamble during a season where we already got players suspended, a GM fired, the team captain calling out fans, and where we lost a pick. I would love for DJ to be fired, but this is just the reality from managements point of view.
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Cool, hope they enjoy low attendance and overall fan disgruntlement.

Every single other team in the league would now or had already fired this bozo long ago. All this does is prolong the circus that is Ottawa.
 
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WORLDSTARHIPHOP said:
Sure but it didn't, doing so in the middle of the season is by definition reactive, it is what it is.

You're looking at this at a fan perspective, which I don't blame you. A coaching change also doesn't mean we automatically play well. What happens if we play worse? Your players get alienated and the locker room goes to shit.

Who are you going to hire this offseason? There's not much pickings out there. Are you going to hire a GM first? Are you going to go with an interim coach? You're definitely not going to have a full hiring process. Who's going to come in knowing they'll probably be fired in the offseason? What if your interim coach does well? Do you keep him at the end of the season considering you haven't run a full hiring process? Do you keep him knowing it might've been a fluke? That's not considering the fact that you still have to bring in a GM. Will he want his own coach? etc. etc.

Management side of things it's 100x more messy firing DJ at this point. Considering that implementing a new system in the middle of the season is pretty much impossible, the gamble that this team will do much better rather than worse is probably worth the millions spent in breaking contracts, hiring someone, and then breaking their contract again this offseason.

Andlauer just spent half a billy. If he thinks that this season can crash and burn if it means running a proper process and having a better chance of hiring the right GM/coach in the offseason, he's not even going to blink.

The argument here isn't that DJ isn't bad or needs to go, but firing him now is another gamble during a season where we already got players suspended, a GM fired, the team captain calling out fans, and where we lost a pick. I would love for DJ to be fired, but this is just the reality from managements point of view.
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From the business perspective, they have a fan base that's lost interest over the past 5 years of complete ineptitude. You need to show your fans that you aren't going to continue on a very well travelled but shitty path.

The guy has invested a ton of money purchasing this team. If they're viewing this team and it's core of young players as a solid and competitive group and plan on supporting them rather than breaking up the gang, keeping a coach that has proven to cause players to actually REGRESS is going to be significantly more expensive than paying for multiple coaches. He's turned our stars into pumpkins, he's going to f*** up Sanderson and Stutzle next and this rebuild will need to start over.
 
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I was looking at the 06/07 Stanley Cup Finals roster.


Heatley 25
Spezza 23
Fisher 26
Vermette 24
Redden 29
Kelly 25
Meszaros 20
Neil 27
Phillips 28
Volchenkov 24

and that was basically the last year we were elite.

The current core really doesn't have as much time as people like to think.
 
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CherryToke said:
Too much rope apparently. I'm not a Sens fan but it upsets me that DJ is still coaching your team. So much potential with this group and they're just spinning their wheels with a moron coach.
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Ottawa organization and media have spoken so much about this rebuild leading to a competitive playoff team that I think the organization and media have convinced themselves it’s just a matter of time before the winning starts

It’s like the Sens think winning is a matter of time because they are owed it for their rebuild and winning is not the mass sum of smart and shrewd moves
 
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bert said:
Look at their upcoming schedule now think about how they are playing. They are done.
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Probably. But you never know. I've seen Sens reams looking worse off statistically than they do now and turn it around.

It's been a while tho lol
 
PoutineSp00nZ said:
Probably. But you never know. I've seen Sens reams looking worse off statistically than they do now and turn it around.

It's been a while tho lol
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They're play has been regressing for 12 straight games. They never have the puck anymore. They got a taste of an actual good team this week. We all saw how that went. They're about to play a bunch of teams as good or better here on the road with no rest. The moment this team has excuses they jump on it. Loser mentality.

Its gonna get really ugly. Columbus is starting to play well now i cant imagine a loss friday but im not counting it out. But wait until they have their 7 in 11 that includes all playoff teams. Plus the two best teams in hockey are lumped in there.
 
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HF Reader said:
You make a lot of good points. In general I agree. Getting the coach and GM right is vital (as is the scouting component).

I'm not impatient, although I can see how I sound that way. Rather, I fear DJ is doing more harm than good.

The question (I can't answer) is, "Do you do more harm to the team long term by keeping DJ or by replacing him now?".


Two small comments on your position.
1. I wouldn't call DJ a key component (although the position of coach with staff is).
2. If Staios is too green to hire a coach let's hope he is not too green to evaluate and hire the GM.
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I agree with your two points for sure, and hope that DJ isn’t doing more harm overall. I also agree and should have clarified that the position is key rather than DJ at this point.

I think Staios may be a guy that knows the overall business structure well enough, and is a good talent identifier and people person.

Those things are pretty key to hiring for important roles, and also building the solid structure of a hockey business. Though a minor team, he does have this experience.

He does have also some general management experience within a few organizations as well so again maybe he’s the structure, glue, and overall vision guy.

Seems like he knows his limitations which is also important.
 
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L'Aveuglette said:
Firing DJ has zero to do with being reactive. It's something that needed to get done long ago. Just because he just took over as owner doesn't mean he should let things go to shit for another season, knowing the fanbase has already suffered for the last 3 years watching this team go exactly nowhere.

Only on HF do I see people arguing in favor of wasting another season.
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I don’t think any fan is arguing in favour of it, but it simply isn’t our decision to make. So what now?

I think some fans like to explore the reasons why things are happening instead of simply reacting to them. It’s kinda fun to figure out the why, to explore the context, and try and see the big picture from the perspective of those who actually make all of the decisions.

From a fan perspective it simply sucks to lose and there isn’t really much else to explore there.
 
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CherryToke said:
Too much rope apparently. I'm not a Sens fan but it upsets me that DJ is still coaching your team. So much potential with this group and they're just spinning their wheels with a moron coach.
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Hiring Dorion and keeping him so long was a major contributor to the lack of performance of the team. Melnyk as owner is too. Coaching staff too.

We need "to be in a hurry" to right the ship by getting a new coaching staff. We would have more choices for both GM and coaching next off-season. However, something needs to be done now.
 
Why would Evason be solid and the coach we need? Make your best case for this guy:
- experience?
- succeses?
- other factors?
 
Cosmix said:
Why would Evason be solid and the coach we need? Make your best case for this guy:
- experience?
- succeses?
- other factors?
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Solid regular season records, his teams play with structure, and he generally gets a lot more from his team than what's on paper. Everything there is pretty much the exact opposite of DJ Smith.

Did he just get fired after an awful start? Yes, but every coach has a shelf life. This was his fourth year as HC (sixth with the organization). That's probably already a longer tenure than the average coach in the modern NHL.
 
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