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How much rope does DJ Smith have? [UPDATE: None]

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Gil Gunderson said:
Also why does it seem like we’re the only team that can’t at least pick up points when we lose?
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I heard the other day that the Sens are dead last in the league creating goals with the net empty.

Certainly reduces the odds of tying it up and getting the loser point.
 
Super Cake said:
How can a coach with only losing on his NHL resume have so much f***ing job secuirty.

That is what i want to know.
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Luck and timing. The players apparently asked for less chaos and Staios agreed. They already fired Dorion, and had the Pinto debacle. Those are multiple chaotic situations. Add in the timing aspect of the ownership changeover not taking place until the end of the off season, and there wasn't time to do a proper coaching search if they wanted to do one.

I can see the logic in keeping DJ. A new coach is unlikely to turn the season around. It's statistically unlikely for a team to make the playoffs down this far in November. Get the goodwill from the core players by not firing DJ in season, and then in the off season when the management group is in place, make the right choice.

If they bring in a coach now, maybe it turns things around, but it probably won't. So then they're in a scenario where the players feel the new management didn't have their backs, and they went against their promise of less chaos for nothing.

They are in a solid situation now where they will have the manufactured consent of the players and fans to make whatever radical changes they want to make in the off season because they can say we gave DJ and we gave this core a chance. Changing coaches and possibly sparking a slightly better finish that still probably won't be good enough for the playoffs would go against that.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
Luck and timing. The players apparently asked for less chaos and Staios agreed. They already fired Dorion, and had the Pinto debacle. Those are multiple chaotic situations. Add in the timing aspect of the ownership changeover not taking place until the end of the off season, and there wasn't time to do a proper coaching search if they wanted to do one.

I can see the logic in keeping DJ. A new coach is unlikely to turn the season around. It's statistically unlikely for a team to make the playoffs down this far in November. Get the goodwill from the core players by not firing DJ in season, and then in the off season when the management group is in place, make the right choice.

If they bring in a coach now, maybe it turns things around, but it probably won't. So then they're in a scenario where the players feel the new management didn't have their backs, and they went against their promise of less chaos for nothing.

They are in a solid situation now where they will have the manufactured consent of the players and fans to make whatever radical changes they want to make in the off season because they can say we gave DJ and we gave this core a chance. Changing coaches and possibly sparking a slightly better finish that still probably won't be good enough for the playoffs would go against that.
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Can we at least make changes to the coaching staff? Something NEEDS to change. Roster changes have done f*** all in 4 years.
 
Teams, even in their off nights and playing their backup goalie, still find ways to (handedly) win over Ottawa because they stick to a simple system (where even their stars abide by) and we don't.

It is so painfully clear DJ is the problem.

There is just no way in hell that the likes of Stutzle, Tkachuk, Batherson, Norris make the amount of terrible giveaways they do if there is someone who is accountable and engrained within them a safe set of plays they need to do in different areas of the ice/different times of the game.

It's painfully clear he is the issue.
 
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November 20th is the obvious date for a coaching change. If it doesn’t happen then it probably won’t happen.
 
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The Sens don’t make sense - they have no direction because the people in charge are headed to loser ville, the fans know it but don’t say that out loud or Brady will be mad at you .

I mean it’s great Brady and Giroux aren’t mad at the fans anymore, but are they watching the same games we are.

Sens didn’t deserve anything last night and Sens fans are supposed to just be happy watching another season away because Brady doesn’t want the fans showing their frustration with his team that never gets it right.

D.J. smith can’t coach in November. He just sucks at having his team ready for an NHL season .
 
Tuna99 said:
The Sens don’t make sense - they have no direction because the people in charge are headed to loser ville, the fans know it but don’t say that out loud or Brady will be mad at you .

I mean it’s great Brady and Giroux aren’t mad at the fans anymore, but are they watching the same games we are.

Sens didn’t deserve anything last night and Sens fans are supposed to just be happy watching another season away because Brady doesn’t want the fans showing their frustration with his team that never gets it right.

D.J. smith can’t coach in November. He just sucks at having his team ready for an NHL season .
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Andlauer and Staois?
 
Bileur said:
I heard the other day that the Sens are dead last in the league creating goals with the net empty.

Certainly reduces the odds of tying it up and getting the loser point.
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Don't even need stats to know this is a fact. We are by far the worst team in the league with the goalie pulled.
 
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frightenedinmatenum2 said:
Luck and timing. The players apparently asked for less chaos and Staios agreed. They already fired Dorion, and had the Pinto debacle. Those are multiple chaotic situations. Add in the timing aspect of the ownership changeover not taking place until the end of the off season, and there wasn't time to do a proper coaching search if they wanted to do one.

I can see the logic in keeping DJ. A new coach is unlikely to turn the season around. It's statistically unlikely for a team to make the playoffs down this far in November. Get the goodwill from the core players by not firing DJ in season, and then in the off season when the management group is in place, make the right choice.

If they bring in a coach now, maybe it turns things around, but it probably won't. So then they're in a scenario where the players feel the new management didn't have their backs, and they went against their promise of less chaos for nothing.

They are in a solid situation now where they will have the manufactured consent of the players and fans to make whatever radical changes they want to make in the off season because they can say we gave DJ and we gave this core a chance. Changing coaches and possibly sparking a slightly better finish that still probably won't be good enough for the playoffs would go against that.
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But how do we know that it won't make a difference unless we try it ? What exactly do we have to lose at this point ?

Ideally I'd like to see the same players under a different coach for at least part of this season which will help make a determination on which core players deserve to stick around, and those we need to jettison.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
Luck and timing. The players apparently asked for less chaos and Staios agreed. They already fired Dorion, and had the Pinto debacle. Those are multiple chaotic situations. Add in the timing aspect of the ownership changeover not taking place until the end of the off season, and there wasn't time to do a proper coaching search if they wanted to do one.

I can see the logic in keeping DJ. A new coach is unlikely to turn the season around. It's statistically unlikely for a team to make the playoffs down this far in November. Get the goodwill from the core players by not firing DJ in season, and then in the off season when the management group is in place, make the right choice.

If they bring in a coach now, maybe it turns things around, but it probably won't. So then they're in a scenario where the players feel the new management didn't have their backs, and they went against their promise of less chaos for nothing.

They are in a solid situation now where they will have the manufactured consent of the players and fans to make whatever radical changes they want to make in the off season because they can say we gave DJ and we gave this core a chance. Changing coaches and possibly sparking a slightly better finish that still probably won't be good enough for the playoffs would go against that.
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I dunno. We are 4p out of a playoff spot, it shouldn't be THAT unlikely to reach the playoffs.
 
Agent Zub said:
Another way to say it is that.

The players of their own free will and volition do not adhere to the system.
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The players shouldn't have free will, they should be incentivised to perform or de-incentivised to slack off or stray from the plan. Another coaching prerogative.
 
Agent Zub said:
Another way to say it is that.

The players of their own free will and volition do not adhere to the system.
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If it were just Batherson it would be one thing. But it’s almost every player making boneheaded plays. At some point you have to look at the common denominator.
 
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Race Dawg said:
He has ran out of rope...
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Doubt it. I think the chances of him getting fired this year are like sub 30%. The team will need to lose like 10 games straight or something which probably won’t happen.

Everything we have been told by ownership and the players indicates that no coaching change is imminent. It will happen in the offseason when the new GM is hired.
 
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