How much faith do you have in the core 4?

[saffronleaf]

Another roast Marner thread,

the more the merrier

 

[ZEBROA]

Why is Nylander among the four? The big three should be able to win for us.

 

[The Iceman]

He also kicks his feet up and says "jobs done" after game 82 of the regular season ends. Playoff choke artists also apparently do not just grow on trees

Fact is he is the teams best defensive forward too. It is not like his line got caved in

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

I don't care trade them all and do a rebuild.

 

[notbias]

Nah not a cap dump at all. Just the wrong fit here. The guy is talented noone is denying that I just don't think this marriage ends well and he may be too comfy here. But not just him....

You said he has no shot, can't score on the PP, not a great skater, not physical. How is that not a cap dump?

 

[PromisedLand]

Are you disappointed that they are sticking with the core?

This thread is basically trying to quantify what the Leafs Nation as a whole thinks. There is an option to say fully trust core 4. If majority of Leafs nation thinks that way then they will vote that way.

The thread you linked doesnt provide these options; and one would have to go through every post to see what does Leafs Nation as a whole thinks. In this thread you can easily quantify using the votes

It seems there is a vocal minority who are more dubas fans than Leafs fans

 

[Mess]

I'm a realist

"Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

They're not going to fool me again !!!

But in fairness to me, the minute they signed Tavares for $11 mil, I believed and claim the end was near and his contract would act as a magnet and draw both Matthews and Marner's contracts up to his on Leafs internal payscale and it would be game over as far as Cup competitiveness went.

So I've been dubious from the very start, willing to be proven wrong but unfortunately only getting proven right year after year. I remain steadfast in my belief you can't assemble a winning team in a Salary Cap World by paying 4 forwards 1/2 your teams cap.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Let's see....

Matthews is only playing hockey for the lifestyle, fame, and money, and could care less about winning. He'll be gone at or before the end of this contract as he wants O-U-T of Canada. LA's cool Bro!

Marner wants to win in Toronto BADLY, but is too immature to realize he needs to put way more work into his game and take a hit once in a while.

Tavares has all of the leadership qualities and emotion of a sheet of paper.

Willie is an amalgam of Marner and Matthews, and he listens too much to his Daddy.

That about covers it.

 

[supermann_98]

Fact is he is the teams best defensive forward too. It is not like his line got caved in

Not at all, "fact" lol

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Auston Matthews 6.9/10 - Lethal shoot with a sound defensive game. Has shown flashes that he can be that guy to lead you to glory. Unfortunately, he has also shown to be choker personified just like....

Mitchell Marner 6/10 - An amazing offensive dynamo who is also a valuable PKer. Looked like he improved his goal scoring ability this season as well. Unfortunately none of that translates to the biggest of moments. Too physically and mentally weak for playoff hockey. 5 years and he looks as lost as ever.

John Tavares 6.8/10 - This honestly has more to do with the stage of his career he's currently in. Can look very slow at time and frankly isn't worth the currently 11M price tag. Will mostly likely be on the decline from here on out so things will be tough going forward. Will probably be 4th on the depth chart soon (if not already there).

William Nylander 7.5/10 - Nylander scored some big points from this postseason. Still a player that needs to be more consistent throughout the season, but he showed he can play the right way when it matters. Will need to see a larger sample size to see if "playoff Willy" is real.

No one scores an A from me. Team is good enough that one of the core members should be able to drag the team to the second round (Nylander was close) but wasn't able to do it.

 

[ShaneFalco]

You said he has no shot, can't score on the PP, not a great skater, not physical. How is that not a cap dump?

Yes he's totally overpaid - but the way his contract is structured makes him very move able

 

[notDatsyuk]

The problem is that we can't trade Tavares, and the other three, particularly without him, would be ok to build on.

Since trading Tavares isn't an option, the poll is really "trade one of Matthews, Marner, or Nylander" so Marner is the obvious, if erroneous, choice.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Really need to consolidate these threads, too difficult to keep track of them all.

 

[34]

Trade Marner. Build around the other 3. Move Nylander back up with Matthews.

Nylander is better than Marner at a fraction of the price.

 

[bodechek]

I don't have faith in the core at all. If I could trade Marner for either Tkachuk, I would do it in a heartbeat. But I really don't know what the answer is. But you can't keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

 

[Knies iT]

This is a good enough core to make Toronto a perennial playoff team, but not a cup contender.

You cannot have 1/3 of your top 6 being butter soft and allergic to contact (Marner/Nylander) deep in the playoffs, especially when Matthews/Tavares are not overly physically imposing themselves. Neither of Marner or Nylander will grow out of their fear of physicality because it's not something you can teach at an established age. We watched this for 5+ years with Gauthier and now with Engvall. You cannot fundamentally change an athlete's personality like that, but management thinks otherwise by constantly preaching "mindset".

It will come down to either Nylander or Marner being the sacrifice, and i'd rather it be Marner without hesitation. More cap savings to re-balance the roster, more name value that will yield a better return, and if handled properly by the PR team might send a message about not tolerating greed.

 

[Budz]

I love Tavares - but in hind sight that signing killed this team.

 

[TorontoTrades]

I love Tavares - but in hind sight that signing killed this team.

This, great player and all but I feel like we would have been better off without him. Could have more balance throughout the lineup. Kadri ran himself out of town but if things were different you could have him at 2C and 6.5 million to upgrade the team around them.


Again, great player and enjoy him being a Leaf but its handcuffed the team to trading an early 20s star to make any significant change.

 

[makbeer]

Would trade Tavares first but he has a NMC. He's too slow for the NHL now. Contract is going to suck hard in a couple years.

So I'll choose Marner. Also not really a speedster, weak, and soft perimeter winger whose game doesn't translate to post-season hockey.

 

[Seras]

Other: Have faith that Shanahan and Dubas continue making this team better every year as they have up to now

 

[Stonehands1990]

This thread is basically trying to quantify what the Leafs Nation as a whole thinks. There is an option to say fully trust core 4. If majority of Leafs nation thinks that way then they will vote that way.

The thread you linked doesnt provide these options; and one would have to go through every post to see what does Leafs Nation as a whole thinks. In this thread you can easily quantify using the votes

It seems there is a vocal minority who are more dubas fans than Leafs fans

They’re called the Dubasites. Dubas represents a fantasy that you can suck at sports but run an NHL team so he has a cult following.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Other: Have faith that Shanahan and Dubas continue making this team better every year as they have up to now

What year did we set the franchise record for points? 3 years ago?

 

[Stonehands1990]

This, great player and all but I feel like we would have been better off without him. Could have more balance throughout the lineup. Kadri ran himself out of town but if things were different you could have him at 2C and 6.5 million to upgrade the team around them.


Again, great player and enjoy him being a Leaf but its handcuffed the team to trading an early 20s star to make any significant change.

Yep. This is where I’m at

 

[Rielly4]

lol I don't think ever in the history has a top 5 scorer in the NHL gotten so much shit from a fanbase.

 

[bentharbs]

I have faith in the core. One of the best cores in the game. But they are on a really short leash when it comes to results. You gotta back it up soon.