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How much do the Leafs miss Kapanen?

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ToneDog said:
Agreed but it cannot be the end all and be all. As things stand in baseball, you and me can manage teams because managers are now being told what to do by the analytics department.
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Baseball clearly is a game where % plays a major part of the decision making process, batting average, games won, innings pitched, etc. The same thing cannot be said in hockey or football. Basketball has to use a little bit of both.
 
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killer1980 said:
Baseball clearly is a game where % plays a major part of the decision making process, batting average, games won, innings pitched, etc. The same thing cannot be said in hockey or football. Basketball has to use a little bit of both.
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When somebody tells me that Ceci is good according to the numbers, it is all I need to hear.
 
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ToneDog said:
Other than Robbie's potential I take AJ and Kappy over that lot any day. Clear to me that AJ and Kappy are not moved if cap space was not needed. If you cannot admit that, I do not know what else there is to say.

The Kappy trade worked out but we are in win now mode. Rodin can't help you for another 2-3 years.
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you seem sure of yourself.

we'll see.

So far:

Thornton: 5gms, ES 12:55, 1gls, 1pts, 62.2xgf% / PP 2:30, 0gls, 1pts / PK 0:00
Kapanen: 1gms, ES 10:02, 0gls, 1pts, 94.4xgf% / PP 0:00, 0gls, 0pts / PK 0:00

Vesey: 5gms, ES 11:09, 1gls, 1pts, 51.5xgf% / PP 0:03, 0gls, 0pts / PK 1:47
Johnsson: 3gms, ES 10:53, 0gls, 0pts, 44.4xgf% / PP 1:53, 0gls, 0pts / PK 0:00
 
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killer1980 said:
Analytics work in baseball but not in sports where emotion is the overriding reason for success.
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It really is not, and somewhat insulting to sports like baseball.

Maybe back in the 60's and 70's that was true, but you need a lot more than that these days.

It's not like teams are only using analytics to make decisions either... Otherwise, teams would not have scouts. However, whether people like or understand them, they are used by literally every team in the NHL these days, and they are very important for success. If you don't have them, or don't use them properly, you don't win.
 
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zeke said:
you seem sure of yourself.

we'll see.

So far:

Thornton: 5gms, ES 12:55, 1gls, 1pts, 62.2xgf% / PP 2:30, 0gls, 1pts / PK 0:00
Kapanen: 1gms, ES 10:02, 0gls, 1pts, 94.4xgf% / PP 0:00, 0gls, 0pts / PK 0:00

Vesey: 5gms, ES 11:09, 1gls, 1pts, 51.5xgf% / PP 0:03, 0gls, 0pts / PK 1:47
Johnsson: 3gms, ES 10:53, 0gls, 0pts, 44.4xgf% / PP 1:53, 0gls, 0pts / PK 0:00
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Come on, you cannot be serious. Kappy had visa problems, had a 7 day quarantine and barely has had a training camp. Joe and Vesey playing on our top 2 lines can barely cut it.

Thorton and Vesey over AJ and Kappy ?? Sorry man, you lost me.
 
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ToneDog said:
Come on, you cannot be serious. Kappy had visa problems, had a 7 day quarantine and barely has had a training camp. Joe and Vesey playing on our top 2 lines can barely cut it.

Thorton and Vesey over AJ and Kappy ?? Sorry man, you lost me.
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I'd be interested to read some of your posts regarding the quality of Johnsson and Kappy and our third line last year, when they were leafs.
 
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zeke said:
Recent cup winners disagree.
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I will respectfully disagree. The recent Cup winners had external reasons why they won. Ovechkin berated, browbeat and intimidated his teammates into playing winning hockey and he carried them most of the way; emotion. St Louis, after an horrendous start changed coaches and they went on a tear and carried that emotion to a Stanley Cup. Tampa, after bowing out in 4 games the previous year realized just how much effort was needed to win the Cup and a better goaltending performance won without arguably their best player; emotion. I has to be pointed out that neither team was able to recreate that feeling the next year. Yres, there always are extenuating circumstances but emotion has more often than not been the overriding reason for a Stanley Cup win.
 
zeke said:
I'd be interested to read some of your posts regarding the quality of Johnsson and Kappy and our third line last year, when they were leafs.
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It is all there for you to look up. Feel free and let me know how many times I ripped them.
 
killer1980 said:
I will respectfully disagree. The recent Cup winners had external reasons why they won. Ovechkin berated, browbeat and intimidated his teammates into playing winning hockey and he carried them most of the way; emotion. St Louis, after an horrendous start changed coaches and they went on a tear and carried that emotion to a Stanley Cup. Tampa, after bowing out in 4 games the previous year realized just how much effort was needed to win the Cup and a better goaltending performance won without arguably their best player; emotion. I has to be pointed out that neither team was able to recreate that feeling the next year. Yres, there always are extenuating circumstances but emotion has more often than not been the overriding reason for a Stanley Cup win.
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erm, ok.
 
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killer1980 said:
Unfortunately, it is a team sport and everyone has to be on board.
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But pro sports is filled with teams that give it their all and still don't win.

Id grant you that there is a qualitative factor call it hustle/drive/emotion/ect that can give guys an edge at the right time. But just claiming Team X won the cup because of emotion seems pretty lacking in substance.

The fact is, an awful lot of hockey can be quantified.
 
The 6ix said:
His ultra-fast solo breaks on the PK were great, but they didn't seem to work as well at even strength when the other side was a bit more prepared for defence.

Bozak was good at that too. Sort of fast, but nothing compared to Kapanen.
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At least Bozak had a somewhat 2 way game. Kapanen would loaf alot looking for breakouts. Now that might be team strategy and the fact that hes a winger but it wasnt impactful as 2way play
 
Menzinger said:
But pro sports is filled with teams that give it their all and still don't win.

Id grant you that there is a qualitative factor call it hustle/drive/emotion/ect that can give guys an edge at the right time. But just claiming Team X won the cup because of emotion seems pretty lacking in substance.

The fact is, an awful lot of hockey can be quantified.
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I agree. I never said emotion was the only factor but do think that can put a team over the top in a limited series. My point was , compared to analytics in a team sport emotion is the overriding factor. I am not a fan of analytics in contact sports.
 
ronduguayshair said:
I'm a Pens fan and come in peace. I usually watch 50% of the leafs games as they are fun to watch. This year, however I haven't gotten a chance to yet.

When I watched the Leafs in previous years I really liked the way Kapanen pushed the pace. Tonight is his debut in a Pens sweater. Its unsure to me whether he'll be miscast in Pittsburgh. I like what he brings but is he a top 6?

Not sure.
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Kapanen will be a top 6 with the Pens. He can skate and shows some grit. He can be a skillful goal scorer and is a good penalty killer. Leafs got hosed in that deal because of salary cap issues.
 
Kappy was f*cking man. Fights, blocks, scores and is fast as hell. Has low ice hockey iq and he may never be the most realiable consistent regular season guy. But he scored on important moments and was huge entertainment factor. Loved the guy and also how he celebrated goals with huge emotion. Will miss him. I dont think we have that much better wingers, salary was also pretty decent.
 
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zeke said:
The only question is whether Kapanen and johnsson are better than thornton/vesey/robertson/engvall/Anderson.

We'll see how that shakes out.

Johnsson is struggling to start the year on NJ's 3rd line, even with plenty of PP time too.
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Andreas Johnsson has been pretty bad outside of his rookie year. It's a good thing for him he's signed through to 2023-24. If he had taken a short term prove me deal I could see him back on the Toronto Marlies by next season as a Devils wash out.
 
zeke said:
I'm good.

I'm sure your kappy/johnsson takes were as glowing then as they are now.
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I don't think I've ever agreed with a single one of your posts. Johnsson and Kapanen were not a match on this team while simultaneously being too expensive for us to keep. With that said, in a vacuum they are absolutely better than Vesey and probably Thornton as well, though personally I'd rather have Thornton for the leadership qualities he brings.
 
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