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what was it?
EDIT: Nevermind, saw it on another thread.
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EDIT: http://snyrangersblog.com/rangers/tweet-from-john-tortorellas-daughter-that-was-quickly-deleted/
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What if the coach is not the ideal fit, though? I lived outside Van and my sentiments are similar to many Canucks fans' - AV is a very good tactical coach, probably one of the top 10 in the league. But his in-game adjustments are meh, he really cannot light a fire when he needs to, and he does inexplicably fall in love or hate with certain players for reasons that aren't easily defined.
Tortorella lost the team or the team quit, whatever you want to call it last season, but it was clear a change did need to be made. But you can wonder if said change was hasty. If personnel changes are made to suit AV's game, yes, he can def have some success. But does anyone really have any faith in Sather to effectively make those moves?
Me too.
Good thing that they had a players meeting to decide that they have been too comfortable. Whew. Was getting worried for a while.
They are quickly morphing into the bunch of fat cats that paraded at MSG during the dark years. And I LOATHED those teams.
Yeah, Give me a Torts coached team any day of the week and twice on Sunday. The comfortable players do not regret it. But I for one do.
No one forgot it. The effort and heart were still there last year. Not the 11-12 team, but still a team to be proud of. NOT like this.
Was I watching NYR in a Bizzaro world last year? When did this team quit? You are seeing quitters this year.
I think you were seeing a slip last year, due to some of the roster turnover.
Sather importing perennial losers at an alarming rate doesnt help the issue.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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If that team quit on the coach, I wish they would quit on this coach. Last year was much better than what we've seen so far this season.
I know I'm going to sound crazy here but maybe, just maybe, it wasn't the coach.......the horror, the horror.
Emptyvoid
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Last year's team didn't give up on their coach? Seriously?
Look at the Boston series. Yes they're a better TEAM then we were, but god damn the players eventually just up and quit playing the system and giving full effort.
That's why last year was so frustrating. The system and team had no offensive talent and they their effort was inconsistent.
Trxjw mentioned this earleir, something really stinks with the core leadership of this group. I agree that they've become complacent with mediocracy and I feel it's time to replace the core. The really unfortunate thing, in terms of possibly rebuilding through high draft picks, is that we resigned lundqvist. With him, we're very unlikely to get a top draft pick even when he isn't having a good year.
Look at the Boston series. Yes they're a better TEAM then we were, but god damn the players eventually just up and quit playing the system and giving full effort.
That's why last year was so frustrating. The system and team had no offensive talent and they their effort was inconsistent.
Trxjw mentioned this earleir, something really stinks with the core leadership of this group. I agree that they've become complacent with mediocracy and I feel it's time to replace the core. The really unfortunate thing, in terms of possibly rebuilding through high draft picks, is that we resigned lundqvist. With him, we're very unlikely to get a top draft pick even when he isn't having a good year.
Watch the interviews and you'll see guys like McD, Cally, G, Hank take responsibility for what transpired.
Guys like Zucc, Pouliot, Brass respond with ups & downs of the season, gotta stay positive, and have smiles on their faces while saying it. During the intermission report, Al Trautwig asks Brassard a question as to why the team is the way it is.
Brass chuckled prior to his response. He knew his role in the mediocre results and did not acknowledge it, responding with something to deflect away from it. Now there's nothing wrong with being happy and staying positive, but to me that's a lack of accountability.
One example that shows the difference between the core guys mindset and attitudes towards losing, and the other players who seem happy to just earn an NHL paycheck.
There is a discord in the identity of a team when the collective feels and responds differently to the same scenario. It's a big chunk of why the leadership is being questioned.
One other ironic aspect to come out of all of this is the general consensus that Torts' style was "wearing the players down." Yet, this team is experiencing injuries at a much more alarming rate.
I guess thats what happens when you play on your heels all game.
I guess thats what happens when you play on your heels all game.
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Considering the Rangers team was missing Marc Staal and Ryane Clowe, the closest thing to the Rangers Chara and Lucic, I'd say there was a bit of a mismatch out there.
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I was not pleased about the effort of last year's team, especially when compared to the previous season, but this year's team looks like a Dark Ages team in comparison to last season.
Last season, the Rangers rallied back in the 1st round of the playoffs and won two games on the brink of elimination. This year's team isn't even capable of winning a game if they don't score the first goal.
Last year's team showed some semblance of resiliency and I haven't seen any of that all this year, and the personnel is largely the same. Something is very wrong with the players on this team if they are incapable of motivating themselves.
Last season, the Rangers rallied back in the 1st round of the playoffs and won two games on the brink of elimination. This year's team isn't even capable of winning a game if they don't score the first goal.
Last year's team showed some semblance of resiliency and I haven't seen any of that all this year, and the personnel is largely the same. Something is very wrong with the players on this team if they are incapable of motivating themselves.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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Goes to True Blue's point about quitting. In my opinion the only way to change that is to jettison the players that don't bring the character that's needed, no matter what skill level they have.
It's clear that there aren't a lot of self starters on the team, and you have a coaching staff that plays favorites and alienates others.
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What I meant to say is I feel the sample size, in terms of games played, is too small to definitively say if the increase in injuries is due to AVs style of play.
Whose to say the injuries aren't consequences of playing Tort's style of play for 3.5 years? Not saying it is, just a thought.
And you cant point to just one issue.
Theres guys on the roster that dont particularly care. Theres guys on the roster being asked to play a game that doesn't suit them. Theres guys on the roster that come from perennial losing environments. Theres guys on the roster that just stink.
AV isn't turning into a disciplinarian anytime soon, this team isn't getting more offensively gifted anytime soon. We are stuck.
Brassard doesnt have a competitive bone in his body, neither does Nash for that matter. At least Nash is skilled enough to overlook it sometimes. Whats Brassard's excuse?
Brassard, Nash, Dorsett, Moore, Arniel -- keep importing losers and it'll only get worse.
I dont care about sample size in this case.
I do care about the piss poor excuses this team/GM made to paint Torts as an evil task master when, in reality, that is what this untalented bunch needs.
Emptyvoid
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It's odd, in my opinion, when a player is designated as a winner or loser. For some people, players aren't true winner till they've won a cup. But how do they even get to that point? Also, do players stay winner throughout their whole careers? Do most people really consider B. Richards a 'winner' right now?
You can tell within about 10 seconds if a player hates to lose. Thats a characteristic that will make its way to the ice.
I see a lot of apathetic guys this season (and as you mentioned, guys that USED TO hate to lose). Its alarming.
Then again, its all too predictable. Their GM gave them a green light to do whatever the **** they wanted.
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