I'm offended by the above post, calling us a bunch of whatever he called us. Thats not right imo
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This stuff about entertainment trumping wins is as nonsensical as it is funny. What a sad commentary on our society when sport and competition is being lumped into the same categories as a sitcom or a broadway show.
The competitive spirit, at its core, is about wins and losses.
The competitive spirit, at its core, is about wins and losses.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
This goes outside the realm of Tortorella, but its quite clear by now that the team has taken a step back from their apex of 2011-2012.
The mindset of doing anything it takes to win every game, every period, every shift, every battle is gone. It was jettisoned in the name of skill, yet this team doesnt have enough skill to abandon the type of game they used to play.
They are back to being the definition of mediocre, which is where this team has been situated for the better part of 85 years.
The argument that this team is evolving to a better place is fictional
The mindset of doing anything it takes to win every game, every period, every shift, every battle is gone. It was jettisoned in the name of skill, yet this team doesnt have enough skill to abandon the type of game they used to play.
They are back to being the definition of mediocre, which is where this team has been situated for the better part of 85 years.
The argument that this team is evolving to a better place is fictional
GordonGecko
First Ping Pong Ball
The thing about that is we weren't winning under Torts and had no chance offensively. So if we're going to lose I'd rather lose watching entertaining hockey. That being said, I don't think we will lose, I think we'll do better than last year so let's just see how the season plays out
Fair enough. But, FYI, your argument looks idiotic almost a third of the way through.
BrianLeetch2
The Butcher
We have the same amount of wins as we did last year at the 26 game mark. So much season left. Relax
And people were screaming bloody murder last season. Is this supposed to be a positive thing? (they also have more regulation losses and less points).
BrianLeetch2
The Butcher
Not supposed to be a positive or a negative thing. It is what it is. 26 games in and we are .500 with a ****** start and lots of injuries. Maybe people screamed bloody murder last year because of the season we had prior.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
I really love the job AV is doing. The team still sucks because the GM still sucks and you can only polish a turd so much. But thus far I find this turd alot more bearable than last year's turd.
Fanned On It
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I agree. AV is doing a good job given the situation he is in. I don't know how much you expect a coach to do... in the end it's up to the players to go out there and play the game better than the other team plays the game. These guys have been playing hockey their entire lives... they know what needs to be done. Hockey is a simple sport and I don't believe a coach changes the outcome as much as some of you (and the media) might have you think.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
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That's still enough time to turn a season around. I'm not expecting it at this point, though, FWIW.
Just amazing to me when I see Rangers fans make statements like that. Forget about success as far as winning a Cup. Just talk about success as a team. Forget the complete history as far as being one of the least successfully franchises. The last 20 years have been more or less poor. And not just poor. There were years that were unwatchable.
And the Rangers have fans that "would kill themselves if they played like the Devils"? Just WOW.
Very well said. And that is by far the most disappointing thing to me about what we are seeing this year.
At this point I really dont know what you're talking about. AV is doing as good of a job as Torts in that they'd been able to keep deficient rosters at or above .500. Hes opened up the game a bit so you see a few more pretty passes, but Im pretty sick of watching this team wilt physically and constantly lose battles in the trenches. Thats not fun for me
1. How do you define wining? How many times during Tortarella's tenure did the team make it past the second round of the playoffs? I would rather have that level of success than what we are seeing now.
2. The season is plodding along into the deeper parts now. How much more dime is needed " to see how things play out"?
3. The same mistakes are being made over and over again. The lack of effort is not there game in, game out. At what point, does this become alarming?
If we had improved after we caught up to .500 and had most of the injured players back this thread would not have gotten a second wind. But the team got to .500 about 10 games ago and has stayed there, including being blown out again and blowing leads which they rarely did under Tortorella.
Megustaelhockey
"I like hockey" in Spanish
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This is not actually a true statement. The Rangers have only blown 6 one-goal leads this year and no leads larger than one goal. The opposition has blown 8. In the case of this season, it's been that the Rangers have not as often had the lead to begin with in games they have lost.
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RangersFan
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Not one of the least, THE LEAST successful franchise that is still active today in the HISTORY of the NHL. Some argued up to last year it was Chicago as measured by Cups but please, even before their 5th cup to our 4 Chicago clearly had more success in their history than the Rangers. More than double the division titles, more notable alumni, and an all-time franchise scorers list that embarrasses the hell out of ours (with all due respect to Gilbert,Leetch, and Ratelle). We've always had the worst history of the O6, but many expansion teams in their shorter span have dwarfed us in terms of success. This is why I've always found the arrogance of some of our fan base towards other fans of more successful franchises insufferable, with NYR fans only argument is "we have more fans." Of course you're gonna have more fans when you've been around for more than 50 years longer and in the most populated city no less.
OverTheCap
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I agree, this team to me as just as frustrating and inconsistent as it has been every season other than 2011-12. The PP is marginally better, but our 5 on 5 play has gotten worse. There are more passing plays, but we are actually scoring less goals and production is down for many players despite being in contract years. This team doesn't have the resiliency to get a game into OT and still gets pinned in their own zone far too much.
Megustaelhockey
"I like hockey" in Spanish
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I would argue that the St. Louis Blues, Vancouver Canucks, Dallas (North) Stars, and Buffalo Sabres are all less successful by years per cup (with zero or one) and have weaker alumni. But the Original Six is a bit of a misnomer. It should have been the Original Three - it was Montreal, Toronto, Detroit, and some other pieces of crap.
Can you imagine how much more relevant hockey might have become in this country if the Rangers hadn't been a joke between 1950 and 1972?
Who the coach is, is insanely overrated.
That is why I always laugh and shake my head when fans call for a coaching change. A change can have an effect for a couple of weeks, but that's about it.
The GM matters. The players matter. The coach is near irrelevant.
That is why I always laugh and shake my head when fans call for a coaching change. A change can have an effect for a couple of weeks, but that's about it.
The GM matters. The players matter. The coach is near irrelevant.
Look at the recent success of those team. Counting Cups is not the only standard. The teams that you name have not been unwatchable. The Rangers have iced teams that were not just unwatchable, but also unrootable for. In 85 years, THIS is what you call a success? The only thing this organization has proved is that they are at best mediocre. And worse than that during many years.
No, because they were a bigger joke more recently and the popularity of the game did not wane on it.
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