how many more points is it acceptable for Kallgren to blow?

[JT AM da real deal]

Hard to believe people jumping all over a rook tender .. omg people .. again why is he even playing?????????? Dubie ... did you listen? .. Dubie .. blaming a kid tender who is learning how to wipe his *ss is ridiculous .. your focus should be 100% on Dubie for putting Leafs in this situation .. da kid is doing his best .. christ he even got a point for us a couple weeks back da team did not deserve to get .. is he ready no .. is it his fault he is in our net? NO

 

[ACC1224]

Hard to believe people jumping all over a rook tender .. omg people .. again why is he even playing?????????? Dubie ... did you listen? .. Dubie .. blaming a kid tender who is learning how to wipe his *ss is ridiculous .. your focus should be 100% on Dubie for putting Leafs in this situation .. da kid is doing his best .. christ he even got a point for us a couple weeks back da team did not deserve to get .. is he ready no .. is it his fault he is in our net? NO

Pretty sure that's what everyone is saying, at least I'm assuming so.
He should have been replaced in the summer.

 

[therealkoho]

Agree Keefe plays Shalgren to rest Murray What an idiot Keefe is always hurting his teams? Hey Sheldon you idiot, how man games did Glenn Hall play in a row without rest?God i hate to watch Leafs now you and Dumbass have discouraged so so many fans ! I dont even wath many games now.

You probably shouldn't as no one needs that kind of stress

 

[ZEBROA]

Pick up hellberg from waivers and give him a try?

 

[Tairy Greene]

I've never heard a fan base complain about a 3rd string goalie like this, it would be like calling up a 4th line forward due to injury and then saying we should find a better one. He's been fine. There are some AHL goalies who might do better, there are some who would definitely do worse. If we end up with Murray or Samsonov injured for another long stretch we will probably have to trade for a legit back up.

 

[ACC1224]

I've never heard a fan base complain about a 3rd string goalie like this, it would be like calling up a 4th line forward due to injury and then saying we should find a better one. He's been fine, if we end up with Murray or Samsonov injured for another long stretch we will probably have to trade for a legit back up.

That's what the complaint is. Everyone knew Kallgren wasn't good enough last year as soon as Murray went down they should have looked for a better backup to Samsonov.

 

[Tairy Greene]

That's what the complaint is. Everyone knew Kallgren wasn't good enough last year as soon as Murray went down they should have looked for a better backup to Samsonov.

Well that's fine and all, it just seems the tone of the thread is that we should try another call up or waiver pick up.

 

[ACC1224]

Well that's fine and all, it just seems the tone of the thread is that we should try another call up or waiver pick up.

They should, I guess better late than never.

It's not the goalies fault, he's not very good. It's the Teams fault for relying on him as much as they have.

 

[bossram]

Yeah, Dubas probably should've found a more veteran #3 option.

But really, the Kallgren's losses aren't even on him. The club has to score more goals.

 

[Hoverhand]

Yeah, Dubas probably should've found a more veteran #3 option.

But really, the Kallgren's losses aren't even on him. The club has to score more goals.

The good veteran #3s get yoinked off waivers. We tried this with Aaron Dell. I'm fine with the calls to give Petruzzelli a chance but the formula of having a young waiver exempt #3 is still the correct one.

 

[bossram]

The good veteran #3s get yoinked off waivers. We tried this with Aaron Dell. I'm fine with the calls to give Petruzzelli a chance but the formula of having a young waiver exempt #3 is still the correct one.

I really don't mind the goaltending set up at all. It hasn't been a problem.

You'd just hope for better than Kallgren, but hasn't lost them games.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Hard to believe people jumping all over a rook tender .. omg people .. again why is he even playing?????????? Dubie ... did you listen? .. Dubie .. blaming a kid tender who is learning how to wipe his *ss is ridiculous .. your focus should be 100% on Dubie for putting Leafs in this situation .. da kid is doing his best .. christ he even got a point for us a couple weeks back da team did not deserve to get .. is he ready no .. is it his fault he is in our net? NO

Where is he on our depth chart exactly?

How many teams have a better 3rd string goalie?

How much do you think Dubas should spend in terms of assets to upgrade Kallgren?

How dumb would you say Dubas is, if he spent those assets to get someone better and he never played because our 3rd string goalie was never needed?

He's 2-2 with an .891 SV%, has the sky fallen?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

As many as it takes to avoid spending a 4th or 5th round pick on a 3rd goalie.

I'd rather spend that pick then piss away points

Where is he on our depth chart exactly?

How many teams have a better 3rd string goalie?

How much do you think Dubas should spend in terms of assets to upgrade Kallgren?

How dumb would you say Dubas is, if he spent those assets to get someone better and he never played because our 3rd string goalie was never needed?

He's 2-2 with an .891 SV%, has the sky fallen?

2 wins in 9 games is not 2 -2 that's not how math works

 

[Gary Nylund]

2 wins in 9 games is not 2 -2 that's not how math works

Sorry about that. OK then, 9 games played, 8 starts and in addition to 2-2, there are 4 ties/OT losses. But anyway, SV% is still .891 which is probably the single most telling number. Many bigger name goalies that have been discussed here (and some that people here wanted as our starter) aren't doing any better than than this season so just for fun, here are some current numbers for some of them who aren't doing so good either:

Quick .892
Gibson .891
Andersen .891
Markstrom .889
Bobrovsky .888
Demko .883
Campbell .873
Grubauer .861

So with that context, is .891 from Kallgren who's a Marlie really that big a deal?

For a 3rd string goalie, Kallgren has played just fine. People want Dubas to add a top 4 Dman, a top 6 forward and some more depth/grit etc. and of course, not to "empty the cupboard" while doing so. In other words, people want him to do the impossible. You can't have everything and I still don't see that our #3 goalie (or was he #4?) who has been forced to play much more than you'd normally expect anyway, has been playing well enough that finding an upgrade is so far down on the list of things to worry about that it's really not even worth thinking about JMHO.

 

[Cams]

I'd rather spend that pick then piss away points



2 wins in 9 games is not 2 -2 that's not how math works

But at the same time it's only 2 regulation losses..... By the way you are talking, you'd think he is 2-7...which he is not. Is that how math works?

 

[Mickey Marner]

Yeah, Dubas probably should've found a more veteran #3 option.

But really, the Kallgren's losses aren't even on him. The club has to score more goals.

He's definitely had the misfortune of being in net for four of our OT losses. If the team in front of him weren't braindead during 3 on 3, Kallgren could be 6-2-0 instead of 2-2-4.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Where is he on our depth chart exactly?

How many teams have a better 3rd string goalie?

How much do you think Dubas should spend in terms of assets to upgrade Kallgren?

How dumb would you say Dubas is, if he spent those assets to get someone better and he never played because our 3rd string goalie was never needed?

He's 2-2 with an .891 SV%, has the sky fallen?

I think da kid is doing fine myself but i get sick of reading abut people piling on him .. my point was if you think Kallgren is no good then don't put ur anger in him put it on Dubie/Keefer for putting Leafs in this situation .. to me he is a developing AHL tender

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think da kid is doing fine myself but i get sick of reading abut people piling on him .. my point was if you think Kallgren is no good then don't put ur anger in him put it on Dubie/Keefer for putting Leafs in this situation .. to me he is a developing AHL tender

Fair enough. I also thinks he's been fine, more than fine actually.

He's definitely had the misfortune of being in net for four of our OT losses. If the team in front of him weren't braindead during 3 on 3, Kallgren could be 6-2-0 instead of 2-2-4.

Exactly!

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

But at the same time it's only 2 regulation losses..... By the way you are talking, you'd think he is 2-7...which he is not. Is that how math works?

He literally is 2 -7 that's not what his record says because He tends to lose in OT But that doesn't change the fact he's got 2 wins in 9 games which means he's lost 7.

 

[Tak7]

Realistic answer: as many or few as we experience, until Samsonov & Murray both return to healthy active status.

He's a 3rd stringer, providing 3rd stringer goaltending, while the top 2 goalies get fit & find their games. They aren't going to go out and get another goalie just in case #1 and 2 on the depth chart get hurt again. Which is the right decision.

 

[Its not your fault]

He's a 3 who is being asked to play because of injury and our team blows in OT

He makes mistakes but blaming him alone for that record seems unfair to me

Or that they didn't actually watch the games

 

[ACC1224]

Realistic answer: as many or few as we experience, until Samsonov & Murray both return to healthy active status.

He's a 3rd stringer, providing 3rd stringer goaltending, while the top 2 goalies get fit & find their games. They aren't going to go out and get another goalie just in case #1 and 2 on the depth chart get hurt again. Which is the right decision.

The time to get the 3rd was in the off season.

 

[Tak7]

The time to get the 3rd was in the off season.

I agree.

However, I don't think Kallgren has been a disaster like most people. He's been exactly what you'd expect from most org's #3s - some good, some bad, but generally helps you get by until others are back. The exact same thing he did last season.

Through 20 games this team has a lot more pressing holes than a depth goalie; I'd be focusing my energy on using trade capital to improve those other areas.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Not sure why he is playing

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Well that's fine and all, it just seems the tone of the thread is that we should try another call up or waiver pick up.

That's exactly what should be done.

They MIGHT get away with it tomorrow because the game is at 2 pm for some reason and players aren't used to that so that plus I think MAF is hurt.

But even If they do win.

That would still be 3 wins in 10 games for Kallgren that's not good enough no matter what excuse you make.

And yes I'm assuming Kallgren plays because the next night is Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh.