How in the Blue Hell is Jordan Binnington the best Canada goaltender?

[DatDude44]

You guys would've been better off with Darcy Kuemper, Mackenzie Blackwood or Joel Hofer....and i'm a binnington fan lol

 

[cptjeff]

Canada has cut better players than Martin St. Louis and won. Sometimes it is a mistake and sometimes it isn't, but no one is entitled to a spot on the team just because.

How many other times has team Canada left the reigning Art Ross winner off the team, and not due to injury? Please count them for me.

Sorry, but St. Louis's complaint was entirely legitimate. It's called 'standing up for yourself'.

 

[JackSlater]

How many other times has team Canada left the reigning Art Ross winner off the team, and not due to injury? Please count them for me.

Sorry, but St. Louis's complaint was entirely legitimate. It's called 'standing up for yourself'.

Probably no times, and yet as I said Canada left better players off (Yzerman in 1991 was way better than St. Louis in 2014 for example) and won. St. Louis threw a tantrum and then ended up at the tournament and contributed nothing. It is a bizarre debate that he should have been on the team because of a trophy the year before when he ended up at the tournament and was useless. St. Louis himself proved that Yzerman was right.

 

[bov]

He immediately requested a trade after Yzerman snubbed him. He even said when he requested it that it was because of Yzerman not valuing him by excluding him from Team Canada.

The more to it might be the team he went to was a team he wanted to go to (full NMC) but I’m not sure it happens if not for that.

It definitely expedited the process but he wanted to leave for New York during the prior ownership/GM and was talked into sticking around, in part due to concerns of tampering at the time. TB turned things around and it didn't really resurface until Yzerman snub, which I don't blame Marty for one bit. I get the argument on both sides but he poured everything he had into that organization the entire time he was there, even when unhappy.

 

[NyQuil]

Probably no times, and yet as I said Canada left better players off (Yzerman in 1991 was way better than St. Louis in 2014 for example) and won. St. Louis threw a tantrum and then ended up at the tournament and contributed nothing. It is a bizarre debate that he should have been on the team because of a trophy the year before when he ended up at the tournament and was useless. St. Louis himself proved that Yzerman was right.

I remember being annoyed that he wasn't selected to the team.

St. Louis hadn't played for the World Championships team (until after 2006) and you saw a fair number of guys who had been good foot soldiers for Team Canada at the World Championships in the years after 2002 getting selected ahead of him, like Kris Draper, Shane Doan and Ryan Smyth.

Bertuzzi had been promised a spot publicly by Gretzky before the NHL season had even started that year.

With the hottest youngsters like Crosby, Staal and Spezza also being left on the shelf, it really seemed that the team was being assembled as a reward as opposed to trying to win a hockey tournament.

 

[HabzSauce]

They went out of their way to pick the worst goalies available. One of the worst cases of nepotism I've seen.

Who else is there? Binner and Hill both have playoff experience with a Stanley cup.

Only change I would have made is Thompson over montembeault lol. That's about it

 

[jigglysquishy]

Probably no times, and yet as I said Canada left better players off (Yzerman in 1991 was way better than St. Louis in 2014 for example) and won. St. Louis threw a tantrum and then ended up at the tournament and contributed nothing. It is a bizarre debate that he should have been on the team because of a trophy the year before when he ended up at the tournament and was useless. St. Louis himself proved that Yzerman was right.

Ya, Yzerman 1991 has got to be the best player ever left off a best on best team.

 

[LaCarriere]

Now, it's not an easy situation for Canada right now like in the old days, where you just write in Roy, Brodeur, Price, Luongo etc. on the top of the list regardless of what is really happening in the NHL. They are the acknowledged elite.

There are a good half-dozen goalies who are playing much better than the three we chose, but none of those half-dozen guys were automatic selections a year ago.

Obviously I wish the brain trust had picked the hot hands but it still reveals a weakness at the position for our national team.

I think this is where you expect the selection committee to recognise that the position has been a weakness for some time, and that there isn't an acknowledged elite Canadian goaltender to automatically pen in as there was with Brodeur, Roy, Price, Luongo, MAF etc.

None of the goaltenders on this roster fit that bill, and you have 6-7 choices that are arguably playing better on their NHL teams. It's mind-boggling that the 3 Canadian goalies with the highest SV% on the year (hovering around .915-.920SV%) aren't even on the team.

 

[Score08]

Canada has concentrated on speed skill sports center highlight players and failed to remain true to what wins championships.

 

[BlueOil]

You guys would've been better off with Darcy Kuemper, Mackenzie Blackwood or Joel Hofer....and i'm a binnington fan lol

kuemper and blackwood would've gotten hurt in warm ups, meaning hofer would've started all the games.

 

[1 Team 24 Cups]

Binnington has been really bad in this tournament. Pretty much at least one soft goal every game. Sometimes two soft goals. Like yesterday you could even argue that all three were weak goals. For sure the 1st two were

 

[DuklaNation]

Just one of those periods where Canada is lacking depth in one area. Don't think our defense is deep either currently.

 

[Score08]

Don Sweeney is the answer.

 

[westc2]

It's funny how some Canadians blame every goal on the goaltender just because they don't like him.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

It's funny how some Canadians blame every goal on the goaltender just because they don't like him.

Even when he makes saves he looks horrible , slipping and sliding all over the place.

 

[NyQuil]

It's funny how some Canadians blame every goal on the goaltender just because they don't like him.

I don't like his penchant for sliding out of his crease, popping out rebounds and giving up soft goals.

He could run over puppies in his Ford F-150 and I wouldn't bat an eyelid if he was solid between the pipes.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

He is a bottom 5 starting goalie. Inconceivable that Canada cannot do any better.

 

[BKarchitect]

Who else is there? Binner and Hill both have playoff experience with a Stanley cup.

Only change I would have made is Thompson over montembeault lol. That's about it

Darcy Kuemper has a Stanley Cup more recently than Binnington and has been in far better form this season. So where’s the logic there?

I think if these international tournaments are going to be frequently occurring, hockey folks need to start thinking more like football/soccer folks. When you pick a national team, form and recent performance, especially with goalies, should lean more into the guys who are playing well and showing confidence within the last few months…unless we are talking about some legendary, different “tier” type of player. Just my $0.02.

 

[tbcwpg]

It's funny how some Canadians blame every goal on the goaltender just because they don't like him.

He's given up a stinker each game. I don't think he's been the worst goalie in the tournament but he's not exactly winning people over with his play either.

 

[Langway]

Yeah but he plays teh puck gud.

 

[Bounces R Way]

He's not, but I really don't think the other options are as markedly better as us Canadian fans are making them out to be. We've gone from having 2-3 clearly great options to 5-6 mediocre ones. I would have had Logan Thompson on my roster and believe I said so somewhere in September but not like his track record is all that impressive either.

 

[Quinning]

Should have been Logan Thompson.

 

[LaCarriere]

Who else is there? Binner and Hill both have playoff experience with a Stanley cup.

Only change I would have made is Thompson over montembeault lol. That's about it

Kuemper.

Kuemper and Hill's cup's happened much more recently than Binnington's, and both are having better seasons. A pretty easy argument can be made for Blackwood to be over all 3 they picked.

Montembeault was the proverbial MTL inclusion, just to have somebody from one of the host cities represented (in a roster spot that was likely never going to be used barring 2 injuries).

Darcy Kuemper has a Stanley Cup more recently than Binnington and has been in far better form this season. So where’s the logic there?

I think if these international tournaments are going to be frequently occurring, hockey folks need to start thinking more like football/soccer folks. When you pick a national team, form and recent performance, especially with goalies, should lean more into the guys who are playing well and showing confidence within the last few months…unless we are talking about some legendary, different “tier” type of player. Just my $0.02.

Until we have the next Roy/Brodeur/Price/Luongo, I think much more focus should be on who's playing well, regardless of international/stanley cup/"big game" experience. It's not like whoever you pick is going to have bums playing in front of them, so you may as well go with who's actually playing the best.

 

[bobbyking]

because he’s a good goalie

sub. 900 is good ?

 

[bobbyking]

Yes, his ability to move the puck is impressive.

how about his ability to stop pucks?