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How good was Cam Neely?

Same with Tocchet in Philly. Was told to stop fighting often and guys like Baumgartner, Williams and Dupont. And if he were going to fight then he should fight guys like Neely and Messier. You know, the other teams more important players.

Btw remember when everyone was laughing at Semins fighting style? Neely did it first, vs Kocur. A true highlight real. I'll see if I can find it.

Found it :laugh:



How was that like Semin?
 
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Neely was the player that drew me to hockey as a kid. He was so much fun to watch.

Tied the record for fastest to 50 goals in a season I believe, doing it in 42 games, although he missed some games for injuries during that run.


Obligatory F*** ulf samuelsson!!!
 
Janney outscored Neely once. By one point. Playing 8 more games.

Ya, regular season perhaps, but Janney out-pointed Neely in the 89 playoffs by 4 points. He out-pointed Neely in the 91 playoffs by 2 points (playing one less game). In the 88 playoffs Neely was 1 point ahead (of Janney), being two years older too. The only instance in the playoffs where Neely was ahead by a substantial margin happened in 1990 when he was 6 points ahead of Janney, but with three more games played (so again, pretty small gap PPG wise). So their playoffs stats were very similar. Neely didn't really separate himself from Janney points wise in the playoffs while they played together in Boston.
 
I'd like to see a list of players who were able to put up a season with a GPG of 1.0 or greater. Ovechkin is en route to being the greatest goal scorer ever and even he never did that.

Less than 50 games is not a season. After game 44 he scored 0 goals. How is 44 games a season? Also, just the year before 93–94 Mogilny scored 76 in 77 and Lemieux had 69 in 60, and Selänne also had a crazy prolonged streak somewhere in the latter half of the season.

In the latter half of the 93–94 season (40+ games) Bure scored at a GPG pace (and instead of playing with Ray Bourque and Adam Oates he had the Maniwaki Mauler on his line while being centered by Murray Craven).
 
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How was that like Semin?

Oh come its a bit tounge in cheek but the way his flailing his arms about.

Neely was the player that drew me to hockey as a kid. He was so much fun to watch.

Tied the record for fastest to 50 goals in a season I believe, doing it in 42 games, although he missed some games for injuries during that run.


Obligatory F*** ulf samuelsson!!!

I've always thought its perplexing for fans of a team with two of the biggest rats in history saying "F*** Ulf Samuelsson". I guess he wasnt a bruin...
 
And there it is, in the modern NHL outside of Gretzky and Lemieux, only Neely, Brett Hull, and the Rocket (if we're counting that as "modern") have ever done it. That's exclusive company.

We all knew that but there is still an asterisk on the side of Neelys name. He didnt do it during a full season. Its impressive still but would he have kept it up for the full season?
 
Okay but literally no other players have done it even in "shortened" seasons lol

why bure in 1999 of course

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And there it is, in the modern NHL outside of Gretzky and Lemieux, only Neely, Brett Hull, and the Rocket (if we're counting that as "modern") have ever done it. That's exclusive company.
Am34 could do it this year
 
Okay but literally no other players have done it even in "shortened" seasons lol

Done what? Gone over 1GPG during a select few games? Mogilny did it 93. . He scored 50 goals in 46 games. By game 50 he had 56 goals. Cba to look for others but having above gpg for a select few games is easier (in context of the high level we are talking) than sustaining it for a full season.
 
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he wasnt soft, but he needed a Neely more than Oates did. he was like Henrik Sedin but in a meaner time.

do you mean this stylistically? like, did janney make his living along the boards and in the corners like the sedins did?

i honestly don’t remember him on the cycle, and kind of remember him more as an open ice guy. would love to hear more about his style from someone who followed him closely.

Ya, regular season perhaps, but Janney out-pointed Neely in the 89 playoffs by 4 points. He out-pointed Neely in the 91 playoffs by 2 points (playing one less game). In the 88 playoffs Neely was 1 point ahead (of Janney), being two years older too. The only instance in the playoffs where Neely was ahead by a substantial margin happened in 1990 when he was 6 points ahead of Janney, but with three more games played (so again, pretty small gap PPG wise). So their playoffs stats were very similar. Neely didn't really separate himself from Janney points wise in the playoffs while they played together in Boston.

i did a deep dive on janney’s playoff scoring semi-recently. i’m on my ohone so can’t cross-check neely’s production against it, but what we know about round three in 1991 is suggestive.

i've thought the same thing. but on the other hand if you go through his playoff record series by series what you see is he is very good at coming through against normal teams but (statistically anyway) disappears against the tougher competition.

still, he's put up some surprisingly strong performances for a guy with his reputation, even though he does also legitimately wear the disappears in tough games/series reputation.

here's his prime, where he put up 101 playoff points in 101 games—

as a pre-rookie in '88 (given that he joined the team after the olympics as a 20 year old this is a fantastic showing):

6 games, 5 points against buffalo
5 games, 0 points against montreal
7 games, 9 points against new jersey
5 games, 2 points (both assists, none in the final three games) against edmonton


1989:

5 games, 7 points against buffalo
5 games, 6 points against montreal (this is super impressive, actually)


1990:

4 games, 8 points against hartford
5 games, 6 points against montreal (four of them in one game)*
4 games, 8 points against washington
5 games, 0 points against edmonton


1991:

5 games, 8 points against hartford
7 games, 6 points against montreal (four of them in one game again)**
6 games, 8 points against pittsburgh (six in the first two games, which they won, two in the next four, which they lost)


1992:

6 games, 6 points against chicago (he's on st louis now)


1993:

4 games, 6 points against chicago
7 games, 5 points against toronto (all five points came in games 2 and 3, which they won)


1994:

4 games, 4 points against dallas


1995:

7 games, 7 points against calgary (on san jose)***
4 games, 0 points against detroit


and after that he's just a journeyman putting up a point every other game on also-ran jets/coyotes teams that never got out of the first round.


* that one game was phenomenal. i can't remember exactly but i think it was THE cam neely is in roy's head game. janney assists on three out of boston's four regulation goals, including neely's PP goal at the end of the third to send it to OT, then sets up galley's OT winner. boston wins its second straight one goal game to take what would turn out to be an insurmountable 2-0 lead.

** another classic neely owns roy game. janney assists on all four boston goals, hat trick by neely... BUT he also fights denis savard with the game out of hand late in the third.

*** this was a fantastic performance. five points in the last two games of the series to come back from down 3-2 to upset first place calgary. what a weird team—janney centering pat falloon and jamie baker, and the other line was young ray whitney with larionov and makarov.
 
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Oh come its a bit tounge in cheek but the way his flailing his arms about.



I've always thought its perplexing for fans of a team with two of the biggest rats in history saying "F*** Ulf Samuelsson". I guess he wasnt a bruin...

i think i know which two you’re talking about but there have been so many rats, how can you narrow it down to just those two?

Am34 could do it this year

this is an interesting question, does the crazy scchedule this year and all those games against ottawa and vancouver force an asterisk on any all time statistical achievement?

same goes for mcdavid, who’s on pace for 2 pts/g
 
ya i figured it had to be the one whose name is rat and the one who looks like one

but i cheered for cooke, ruutu, and burrows so i should talk...

Well I chose those two because Neely obviously likes them. Despite the fact that he didnt "respect the way Ulf played the game" :laugh:
 
Oh come its a bit tounge in cheek but the way his flailing his arms about.



I've always thought its perplexing for fans of a team with two of the biggest rats in history saying "F*** Ulf Samuelsson". I guess he wasnt a bruin...
I can both be mad that a dirty, predatory hit ruined my favorite player's career and acknowledge that the team I cheer for also doesn't have a squeaky clean record. Nothing perplexing about that.

Marchand is a joy to watch most nights, but he does a lot of stuff, moreso in the past, that I wish he didn't. Not sure who the other player you had in mind is, as that could go a few different ways.
 
I can both be mad that a dirty, predatory hit ruined my favorite player's career and acknowledge that the team I cheer for also doesn't have a squeaky clean record. Nothing perplexing about that.

But the hit didn't ruin your favorite players career.. That's why it's perplexing
 
It did though. The knee never fully recovered. Much like Savars's brain never really quite came back from the Cooke hit.

You realise that it was his other knee that broke right? Not his right knee... And like both me and Phil said here before. It wasnt a predatory hit. Ulf came in with a wide stance so Neely played the puck past him and while Ulf looked back at the puck, Neely tried to avoid Ulf and drove right into his leg.
 
Done what? Gone over 1GPG during a select few games? Mogilny did it 93. . He scored 50 goals in 46 games. By game 50 he had 56 goals. Cba to look for others but having above gpg for a select few games is easier (in context of the high level we are talking) than sustaining it for a full season.

If you're trying to argue to me "pace matters", I don't think you understand how many Crosby arguments I've been involved in.

But like I said, the number of people who have concluded their seasons, even abbreviated ones, north of GPG is extremely small.
 

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