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How good can Sean Day become?

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GregSirico said:
If Matt had more than 2Y left and not some inconsistency in his play I agree Skjei is a starting point. I think Hayes + a prospect with potential and a pick is fair value.
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2 years of a 1st line center right in his prime is a lot of value. Did you see that reported islander deal for dichene that was turned down? Hayes + Day + pick simply wouldn't get it done.
 
an Girar i said:
2 years of a 1st line center right in his prime is a lot of value. Did you see that reported islander deal for dichene that was turned down? Hayes + Day + pick simply wouldn't get it done.
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You have to see the other side of the coin as well. It's not like he's had monster season after monster season. If that was the case, he'd be worth Skjei + a ton of picks.
 
GregSirico said:
I disagree but ok.
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I disagree as well. This kid had serious family issues when he took a nosedive and stock dropped big time in the draft. His brother was convicted for killing a woman while under the influence. Can you imagine trying to focus on hockey as a 17 year old when your brother just got convicted for something as serious as that?
The article in the post today shines some light on the above.
If he gets back on track (like he did this past season) the ceiling for a 6'2 230 super mobile defenseman is super high.
 
bl02 said:
I disagree as well. This kid had serious family issues when he took a nosedive and stock dropped big time in the draft. His brother was convicted for killing a woman while under the influence. Can you imagine trying to focus on hockey as a 17 year old when your brother just got convicted for something as serious as that?
The article in the post today shines some light on the above.
If he gets back on track (like he did this past season) the ceiling for a 6'2 230 super mobile defenseman is super high.
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Exactly.
 
bl02 said:
I disagree as well. This kid had serious family issues when he took a nosedive and stock dropped big time in the draft. His brother was convicted for killing a woman while under the influence. Can you imagine trying to focus on hockey as a 17 year old when your brother just got convicted for something as serious as that?
The article in the post today shines some light on the above.
If he gets back on track (like he did this past season) the ceiling for a 6'2 230 super mobile defenseman is super high.
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Was poking around and found this article from early 2016. Day obviously had a rough couple of years, but sounds like he's learning how to deal with it as well as trying to move forward and become a NHLer.

He certainly sounds like he has skill: hopefully he can put it all together.

Oops, forgot the link...the Post article is interesting too.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juni...yer-sean-day-opens-up-about-life-off-the-ice/
 
Matt Duchene is not the kind of elite talent you pay a kings ransom for like some of you are ridiculously suggesting. If it where Nathan McKinnon then yeah, now were talking. Duchene is a -34 player for crying out loud. I dont care how bad that team is that is god damn awful.
 
Saving Captain Ryan said:
We all know his status in coming into the OHL and how much he fell of. But he has the talent. Do you guys think he can become something special? Or decent at least?
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Aaron Ward type celing?

I am not a big fan, hope I am wrong, but playing D today is to such an extreme extent about being smart, calm and poised. Play your position perfectly. Make the right call with the puck. Look at the depth Ds we have been comfortable with, it has been the Hunwick types.

Not that Day is Zherdev II, but I just don't see that smarts and decision process in his game. Sure he compensates for a lot with his speed and size. Who knows, maybe he can come into HFD and just develop really really well. Put it together. But it seems like a long shot to me. I would not put money on him making it to the NHL. I definitely wouldn't rule it out, and I can be -- really -- wrong on him. But from the little I've seen that is my current best bet so to speak.
 
bl02 said:
I disagree as well. This kid had serious family issues when he took a nosedive and stock dropped big time in the draft. His brother was convicted for killing a woman while under the influence. Can you imagine trying to focus on hockey as a 17 year old when your brother just got convicted for something as serious as that?
The article in the post today shines some light on the above.
If he gets back on track (like he did this past season) the ceiling for a 6'2 230 super mobile defenseman is super high.
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The kid did go thru alot in Jr's, but dealt with it and turned out very good.
He has his mind set now to make the NHL, sooo much postitive in him now. :yo:
AHL, then NHL
 
Beacon said:
The single most overrated prospect we have. By a wide margin.
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How did you get to this conclusion? Even in this thread most expect a top4 ceiling if things break the right way, while acknowledging that he could as well wind up a marginal NHLer or worse.

Are you going to pull out your PPG "analysis" again?
 
Just because some of us say that his ceiling is pretty close to limitless doesn't mean we think it's likely he reaches it, i think it's VERY unlikely he becomes a 1D in this league, but he still has that ceiling to me.
Those tools are just THAT good, so if he pulls it all together and the stars align then he will be a dominant D in this league.

The most likely outcome imo is that he becomes a 3rd pairing PP guy who struggles defensively.

His likely upside is a top-4 PP guy while his likely floor is a guy who gets a shot in the NHL for a few years but then falls off because he can't get coaches to trust him defensively.
 
Honestly, as much as I hope that Day pans out and becomes a Top-4 guy, I get the feeling he'll ultimately become the same kind of "all the tools but no toolbox" type player that John Moore is. Now, Moore was a first rounder, whereas Day was a third rounder, so finding a NHL player with that pick is still a victory in my book.

I just think his brain is what ultimately holds him back. I'm not trying to rag on the kid, but he just doesn't seem very intelligent in interviews. Same feeling I get from Hayes. On the other hand, guys like Vesey and Miller, from their interviews, strike me as young guys who have above average intelligence, and I just tend to think intelligent players have a naturally higher ceiling, physical gifts being equal (they aren't, but you know what I mean).
 
Antithesis said:
I'm picturing the old HF website listing him as an 8.0F prospect.

Haven't seen Day play much but I remember reading main boards posters after we picked him comparing his upside to Jay Bouwmeester/Brian Campbell.
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I would have him at an 8.5 D-. There's the outside chance he becomes a number one defenseman. It's very outside, but there are few players with the outright skillset and natural talent that he has.
 
BroadwayStorm said:
His ceiling is Norris trophy winner [considering being a great defender is no longer a requirement for winning this]. His floor is 3rd pairing defenseman who can run a PP. John Michael Liles is his floor. He is so laughably underrated due to the whole CHL thing. Laughably. Our own fans have not seen him skate. Even when he doesn't want to play he has a god given ability to move the puck. In the Rangers system he can put up a lot of points. If Brady Skjei put up 39 pts as a rookie in this system, just imagine what Sean Day is gonna do.
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His floor is way lower than that.
 
Lion Hound said:
I keep trying to find a player comparison for Day. It's tough to do. He's very much original in his style.

From a pure skating standpoint he's Nick Leddy. Smooth and effortless, yet can really fly! But he doesn't defend like Nick Leddy does.

As a player I think he reminds also of Vladimir Malakhov. Malakov had off the charts skills, and he was also a giant of a man. If you watched him in practice, you would think he by far was the best player on the ice on any given night. He could stick handle with the best of them. Strip the puck off the best forwards of the time with a quick poke check like he wasn't even trying. His skating was just effortless, and for such a big dude it was so uncommon. Could lay people out with a big hit, or rub people out along the boards, but then could let guys fly past him unimpeeded. At the time the big lumberjacks of the NHL skated in sand for the most part. Malakhov didnt. But then game time would come, and he never really stood out anymore. Like it was if he didn't care if his club won or lost. He never had the extra effort. If he did, he certainly didn't show it. He should have been among the best defenseman in the game of his era. He, however will never be remembered as such.

In Day, skill level is off the charts. He has that air about him that he could be the best player on the ice at any given night. But then, for whatever reason he doesn't factor into games like his size, skill, speed and presence suggest.

Rangers should send him into a Tony Robbins seminar, followed up by a week with Adam Graves mentoring.
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Man, Malakhov is a great comparison. I didn't even think of that.
 
I actually think his upside is Dustin Byfuglien without the mean streak. Just skating around ripping shots. Rangers are very high on him.
 
Rangers should be high on him, if he had Browns spot on Windsors PP1 (like he should have had, Browns one-timers are a joke, he was terrible on that PP) then he would have been around PPG.
Instead he was point on PP2 after Sergachev played for ~1.30.
 
NickyFotiu said:
His skating and toe drag moves are better than any prospect I have seen currently in our organization. It is actually his defense and decision making that are the question marks.
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I've seen Day play quite a few times, very offensively gifted, although he doesn't have a bog shot, like say Graves does, but man can he skate and move the puck, WOW!
However, the bolded will decide his future in the NHL, If he even improves his defense slightly, he'll probably be a second pairing guy!
 
BroadwayStorm said:
Matt Duchene is not the kind of elite talent you pay a kings ransom for like some of you are ridiculously suggesting. If it where Nathan McKinnon then yeah, now were talking. Duchene is a -34 player for crying out loud. I dont care how bad that team is that is god damn awful.
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Duchene hasn't broken the 60 point barrier since 2013. In two of the past 3 years, he's scored 21 and 18 goals.

People talk about this guy like he's a consistent 30 goal, 70 point center, but he's not.

I think he's better than Stepan, but yeah, how much is a debate. He's not worth four high end pieces from the Rangers.

MacKinnon also has not put up the stats I'd expect to see from a guy that everyone talks about as a high end young #1 center. 16 goals and 27 assists last year... we'd be running him out of town quick if he did that in NY.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
Rangers should be high on him, if he had Browns spot on Windsors PP1 (like he should have had, Browns one-timers are a joke, he was terrible on that PP) then he would have been around PPG.
Instead he was point on PP2 after Sergachev played for ~1.30.
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And not just that. He also received a lot less 5x5 time as well.
 
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