How do you improve the Wings?

[Henkka]

All I know is if Yzerman traded up for a player in the first round that would be very exciting for a draft.

Think he would do the opposite or trade the 15th overall for a proven player.

 

[HisNoodliness]

What's best case scenario this offseason? I still honestly believe the team could very well take a step back next season before taking steps forward the following season(s) The kids will be trickled in slowly but there will be growing pains with all of them. I don't see any of our prospects as hit the ground running. I just don't see any eye popping off season moves. Move off a few vets, bring up a kid or two and bring in a vet maybe.

Still somewhat realistic best case:
Trades:
Chiarot + 15 OA for Necas
Holl + 4th rounder for futures
Husso + Wallinder + 2nd for John Gibson
Fabbri for picks


Matt Roy for 5x6mil
Seider 8x8.8
Necas 7x7
Raymond 8x8.2

Walman-Seider
Edvinsson-Roy
Johansson- Maatta

Debrincat-Larkin-Raymond
Compher-Necas-Fabbri
Kasper-Copp-Berggren
Veleno-Fischer-Ras

Gibson
Lyon


Team should make the playoffs, but we don't really mortgage the future.

 

[Henkka]

Still somewhat realistic best case:
Trades:
Chiarot + 15 OA for Necas
Holl + 4th rounder for futures
Husso + Wallinder + 2nd for John Gibson
Fabbri for picks


Matt Roy for 5x6mil
Seider 8x8.8
Necas 7x7
Raymond 8x8.2

Walman-Seider
Edvinsson-Roy
Johansson- Maatta

Debrincat-Larkin-Raymond
Compher-Necas-Fabbri
Kasper-Copp-Berggren
Veleno-Fischer-Ras

Gibson
Lyon


Team should make the playoffs, but we don't really mortgage the future.

You traded Fabbri away, but you have him on the roster ???

And Necas has been a career winger. Don't put him in the middle.

 

[DoMakc]

Still somewhat realistic best case:
Trades:
Chiarot + 15 OA for Necas
Holl + 4th rounder for futures
Husso + Wallinder + 2nd for John Gibson
Fabbri for picks


Matt Roy for 5x6mil
Seider 8x8.8
Necas 7x7
Raymond 8x8.2

Walman-Seider
Edvinsson-Roy
Johansson- Maatta

Debrincat-Larkin-Raymond
Compher-Necas-Fabbri
Kasper-Copp-Berggren
Veleno-Fischer-Ras

Gibson
Lyon


Team should make the playoffs, but we don't really mortgage the future.

Why do Red Wings add 2nd and Wallinder if they swap two goalies with similar stats, while adding almost 2 mil against cap for 2 additional years? It looks like Ducks are the ones who have to add

 

[Fear]

15,Kasper Wallinder and Mazur for Logan Cooley?

4 quarters are not worth a dollar

 

[WingsToPick4th]

I’d trade 15 for Buchnevic and try to resign Kane for 3 years x 5 million
Danielson to GR and use some picks to dump holl
keep Petry as a 7D whatever It is what It is
Sign Stolarz or Brossoit cheap 2-2.5 million
LTIR husso If he’s done
I’d rather have Kasper as 3C, trade Veleno in a deal for a fresh start
Bring back Fischer cheap
Bring up berggren to replace Sprong

Debrincat - Larkin - Raymond
Buchnevic - Compher - Kane
Berggren - Kasper - Fabbri/not sure
Rasmussen - Copp - Fischer

Walman - Seider
Edvinsson - Chiarot
Maatta - A. Johansson
Petry for injuries

Lyon/Brossoit

 

[norrisnick]

I’d trade 15 for Buchnevic and try to resign Kane for 3 years x 5 million
Danielson to GR and use some picks to dump holl
keep Petry as a 7D whatever It is what It is
Sign Stolarz or Brossoit cheap 2-2.5 million
LTIR husso If he’s done
I’d rather have Kasper as 3C, trade Veleno in a deal for a fresh start
Bring back Fischer cheap
Bring up berggren to replace Sprong

Debrincat - Larkin - Raymond
Buchnevic - Compher - Kane
Berggren - Kasper - Fabbri/not sure
Rasmussen - Copp - Fischer

Walman - Seider
Edvinsson - Chiarot
Maatta - A. Johansson
Petry for injuries

Lyon/Brossoit

Skip Kane and sign a legit RD for Ed.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Think he would do the opposite or trade the 15th overall for a proven player.

I know but it would be fun to not be so predictable all the damn time and produce little results.

 

[Snuggs]

I’d trade 15 for Buchnevic and try to resign Kane for 3 years x 5 million
Danielson to GR and use some picks to dump holl
keep Petry as a 7D whatever It is what It is
Sign Stolarz or Brossoit cheap 2-2.5 million
LTIR husso If he’s done
I’d rather have Kasper as 3C, trade Veleno in a deal for a fresh start
Bring back Fischer cheap
Bring up berggren to replace Sprong

Debrincat - Larkin - Raymond
Buchnevic - Compher - Kane
Berggren - Kasper - Fabbri/not sure
Rasmussen - Copp - Fischer

Walman - Seider
Edvinsson - Chiarot
Maatta - A. Johansson
Petry for injuries

Lyon/Brossoit

Idk about paying Brossoit (2-2.5 is a lot for part time backup goalie)

But This, to me is a better team than last year. Buchnevic over Perron, Edvinsson/Johansson over Gostisbehere/Holl. Idk if Brossoit or Stolarz are MUCH better than Reimer. If you're (or Yzerman) willing to pay 2-2.5 million, better goalies will be willing to sign anyways. (imo). Trading Veleno might be an under-rated move to get either Danielson/Kasper up sooner. I'm not sure what you can get for him though other than adding him as a throw in for a larger deal... (15th + Veleno for Buchnevic) Idk.

It's pretty vanilla imo but DOES... make the team in slightly better.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

Honestly I would love to make a move with Calgary to get Markstrom (2x6m left). Wolf is more than ready and they can split between him and Vladar. The Flames also have only really Kylington to sign as a legit roster d-man next year. Hanley has one year left and he's best served in the AHL. That leaves the 4 main players they have. I think they are an appropriate partner for us because we need a legit proven goalie and Markstrom only turns 35 in early 2025.

Something like:

- J. Markstrom
- 2025 2nd

To Detroit for

- J. Berggren
- J. Holl or J. Petry (cheap and low term defense stopgap for them)
- 2025 1st


Edit: I realized all players names start with J. This trade is destiny

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Still somewhat realistic best case:
Trades:
Chiarot + 15 OA for Necas
Holl + 4th rounder for futures
Husso + Wallinder + 2nd for John Gibson
Fabbri for picks


Matt Roy for 5x6mil
Seider 8x8.8
Necas 7x7
Raymond 8x8.2

Walman-Seider
Edvinsson-Roy
Johansson- Maatta

Debrincat-Larkin-Raymond
Compher-Necas-Fabbri
Kasper-Copp-Berggren
Veleno-Fischer-Ras

Gibson
Lyon


Team should make the playoffs, but we don't really mortgage the future.

I wish there was a thumbs down button. These trades are all overpay. And you get rid of Fabbri but not Copp?

Hey guys, when proposing a trade for a goalie, look at the last offseason goalie trades as comparables instead of TDL defensemen trades as comparables.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I wish there was a thumbs down button. These trades are all overpay. And you get rid of Fabbri but not Copp?

Hey guys, when proposing a trade for a goalie, look at the last offseason goalie trades as comparables instead of TDL defensemen trades as comparables.

Is this a joke?

In EVERY single one of those deals, the DRW not only get the best asset BUT also dump a bad contract in the process?

None will happen and not because they're overpayments

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Is this a joke?

In EVERY single one of those deals, the DRW not only get the best asset BUT also dump a bad contract in the process?

None will happen and not because they're overpayments

Necas is not worth a top 15 pick and Chiarot does not need to be dumped unless you want the softest blue line in the league.

Husso AND Wallinder AND a 2nd for Gibson is most definitely an overpay. He hasn’t had a good year in 5 years, is 30 and has 3 years left at 6.4 mil.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Necas is not worth a top 15 pick and Chiarot does not need to be dumped unless you want the softest blue line in the league.

Husso AND Wallinder AND a 2nd for Gibson is most definitely an overpay. He hasn’t had a good year in 5 years, is 30 and has 3 years left at 6.4 mil.

Necas isn't worth a top 15 pick? A young top 6 forward about to get paid 6 to 7plus million most certainly is...

Chariot is physical sure...but he hasent and he chooses not to earn his contract...not sure why if he was moved it meant you were giving up 100% on ever having physical dmen

Husso is garbage..he is neither reliable nor a proven #1 NHL goalie

Wallinder is a solid depth prospect

 

[DoMakc]

Necas isn't worth a top 15 pick? A young top 6 forward about to get paid 6 to 7plus million most certainly is...

Chariot is physical sure...but he hasent and he chooses not to earn his contract...not sure why if he was moved it meant you were giving up 100% on ever having physical dmen

Husso is garbage..he is neither reliable nor a proven #1 NHL goalie

Wallinder is a solid depth prospect

Gibson is garbage as well. You need to look up his stats for the last 5 years or so.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Gibson is garbage as well. You need to look up his stats for the last 5 years or so.

Don't disagree

But he is a better NHL goalie than Husso

 

[DoMakc]

Don't disagree

But he is a better NHL goalie than Husso

Maybe, but then why Red Wings should trade 2nd and Wallinder for another garbage goalie who costs 2 mil more and is on books two years longer? Given contract situation i'd rather have Husso, ie I won't trade Husso straight up for Gibson. Husso and Wallinder and 2nd for Gibson is insane - it is what Ken Holland anno 2019 would do

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Maybe, but then why Red Wings should trade 2nd and Wallinder for another garbage goalie who costs 2 mil more and is on books two years longer? Given contract situation i'd rather have Husso, ie I won't trade Husso straight up for Gibson. Husso and Wallinder and 2nd for Gibson is insane - it is what Ken Holland anno 2019 would do

Personally I think Husso has zero positive value..none whatsoever and the difference between Husso and Gibson is a 2nd plus depth prospect


That all said...I don't want Gibson..I'm just saying that offer would not be accepted

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Honestly I would love to make a move with Calgary to get Markstrom (2x6m left). Wolf is more than ready and they can split between him and Vladar. The Flames also have only really Kylington to sign as a legit roster d-man next year. Hanley has one year left and he's best served in the AHL. That leaves the 4 main players they have. I think they are an appropriate partner for us because we need a legit proven goalie and Markstrom only turns 35 in early 2025.

Something like:

- J. Markstrom
- 2025 2nd

To Detroit for

- J. Berggren
- J. Holl or J. Petry (cheap and low term defense stopgap for them)
- 2025 1st


Edit: I realized all players names start with J. This trade is destiny

This is not a good trade for Detroit. Berggren needs an opportunity to play before we trade him. A first rounder for Markstrom when he have two solid goalie prospects in the pipeline is a hasty move... feels like an Eric Cole trade.

 

[odin1981]

Maybe, but then why Red Wings should trade 2nd and Wallinder for another garbage goalie who costs 2 mil more and is on books two years longer? Given contract situation i'd rather have Husso, ie I won't trade Husso straight up for Gibson. Husso and Wallinder and 2nd for Gibson is insane - it is what Ken Holland anno 2019 would do

Especially with Cossa looking like he will be ready for time in 1-2 seasons and Trey looking to be 2-3 seasons away. No point given a asset to move on from Husso since he just has one year remaining.

I expect that we will look for a Reimer level vet pick up for 1-2 year stint to fill in as #3 if one of our guys gets banged up just pike last year.

 

[Winger98]

Gibson is garbage as well. You need to look up his stats for the last 5 years or so.

well, two years and they are the same two years Anaheim as a franchise has been rebuilding. How much is his team being weak around him and how much is him having age/usage catch up who knows. Why the wings pay scouts I guess.

The trade proposal that started this was an overpay, imo. I think Husso and a pick gets it done.

Honestly I would love to make a move with Calgary to get Markstrom (2x6m left). Wolf is more than ready and they can split between him and Vladar. The Flames also have only really Kylington to sign as a legit roster d-man next year. Hanley has one year left and he's best served in the AHL. That leaves the 4 main players they have. I think they are an appropriate partner for us because we need a legit proven goalie and Markstrom only turns 35 in early 2025.

Something like:

- J. Markstrom
- 2025 2nd

To Detroit for

- J. Berggren
- J. Holl or J. Petry (cheap and low term defense stopgap for them)
- 2025 1st


Edit: I realized all players names start with J. This trade is destiny

I think we can get Markstrom for Maata and a 2nd. They might even take Husso off our hands.

I just have a hard time seeing any team giving up a 1st and a decent prospect for the guy, and I'm not gungho on packaging assets to move Holl or Petry.

 

[odin1981]

well, two years and they are the same two years Anaheim as a franchise has been rebuilding. How much is his team being weak around him and how much is him having age/usage catch up who knows. Why the wings pay scouts I guess.

The trade proposal that started this was an overpay, imo. I think Husso and a pick gets it done.



I think we can get Markstrom for Maata and a 2nd. They might even take Husso off our hands.

I just have a hard time seeing any team giving up a 1st and a decent prospect for the guy, and I'm not gungho on packaging assets to move Holl or Petry.

It wouldn't kill me to move off Holl with a 5th to 7th round pick headed the other way, but a 4th rounder or better is a no go from me. Petry is fine as a vet #7 that comes in to play if injuries hit on the third pairing.

 

[Winger98]

I think people are being a bit optimistic with goalie timelines, especially augustine. Cossa being a backup in two years is realistic, but that also means we want a guy here who we are confident being the starter or, at worst, the 1A. Given how much of a cluster bomb our goaltending situation was last year and how Yzerman has a history in Tampa of moving to solidify that position when possible, I think folks should get ready for us to drop some assets to try to lock down that spot.

If we roll into camp with Husso and Lyon it's not going to be from it being Yzerman's first choice.

 

[odin1981]

I think people are being a bit optimistic with goalie timelines, especially augustine. Cossa being a backup in two years is realistic, but that also means we want a guy here who we are confident being the starter or, at worst, the 1A. Given how much of a cluster bomb our goaltending situation was last year and how Yzerman has a history in Tampa of moving to solidify that position when possible, I think folks should get ready for us to drop some assets to try to lock down that spot.

If we roll into camp with Husso and Lyon it's not going to be from it being Yzerman's first choice.

I'm more expecting for Trey to take 3-4. But if he keeps playing like he has 2 year's is possible just not likely. Though I admit if he only plays 2-3 year's post draft in the minors he very well could be a potential franchise level type guy.

 

[Winger98]

It wouldn't kill me to move off Holl with a 5th to 7th round pick headed the other way, but a 4th rounder or better is a no go from me. Petry is fine as a vet #7 that comes in to play if injuries hit on the third pairing.

I'm fine rolling with them both in that 6/7 spot, or just burying Holl in GR if we have to. Dealing them wouldn't exactly kill me, but I don't think they necessarily keep us from making other moves and if we make other moves neither of these guys should be seeing more than 17 minutes a night unless injuries hit us hard.