How do you fix the Wings?

[jkutswings]

I think bringing Nate in with a guy like Compher on his wing would be a solid idea. Agree with the poster above in the possibility of bringing in a true top 6 option to go with them
Cat-Larkin-Raymond
X-Danielson-Compher

I don't mind your approach for helping Danielson. But it still leaves the problem that Copp is a mediocre 3C and Veleno is more AHL than 4C. I'd rather bring in an extra body and rotate guys down the lineup to be slightly overqualified at their assignment.

 

[norrisnick]

Mediocre 3C is hilarious. Not good 2C and/or overpaid 3C, sure. But if you want better than Copp as your 3C, that ship sailed with the lockout 20 years ago...

 

[Ezekial]

I don't mind your approach for helping Danielson. But it still leaves the problem that Copp is a mediocre 3C and Veleno is more AHL than 4C. I'd rather bring in an extra body and rotate guys down the lineup to be slightly overqualified at their assignment.

Rasmussen-Copp-X could be a fine 3rd line, it's the top 6 where he is off limits.

 

[norrisnick]

Rasmussen-Copp-X could be a fine 3rd line, it's the top 6 where he is off limits.

Honestly Danielson on a 3rd line with those two would be good way to ease him in. Copp for lefty draws, and Nate takes the righties.

 

[NickH8]

Mediocre 3C is hilarious. Not good 2C and/or overpaid 3C, sure. But if you want better than Copp as your 3C, that ship sailed with the lockout 20 years ago...

Real. Look at the teams in the playoffs 3cs.
Carolina: Jack Drury
New York: Wennberg
Boston: Frederic
Florida: Stenlund
Colorado: Colton
Dallas: Duchene (exception)
Vancouver: Lindholm (exception)
Edmonton: McLeod

Copp is right in the middle of this group. This applies to Veleno too. He's a perfectly fine NHL player. Flaws? Yes. But he's an NHLer.

 

[letsgowings9999]

Rasmussen-Copp-X could be a fine 3rd line, it's the top 6 where he is off limits.

I was envisioning likely the most expensive 4th line in the league in Rasmussen copp fischer next season not 3rd lol

Much rather have a young g.r 3rd line of mazur/soderblom - kasper-berggren ... I know it wont happen but if that's the 3rd line I'd say wete headed for a season of pain

 

[letsgowings9999]

I was looking at Carolina and they might be a team to target. Theyll have to spend big money to keep necas and Jarvis possibly as well guentzel/pesce

What about Andrei svechnikov???? Hes locked up at 7.75 x 5 . He hasn't been as great as advertised and not even a ppg player so cost I'd assume wouldnt be astronomical and can help them retain a guentzel

Maybe he bounces back and can be a 75-80 pt guy??

Svechnikov larkin raymond

Worth a gamble?

 

[Gniwder]

Mediocre 3C is hilarious. Not good 2C and/or overpaid 3C, sure. But if you want better than Copp as your 3C, that ship sailed with the lockout 20 years ago...

Lars Eller when the Caps won the Cup:

2017-18

Washington Capitals

NHL

81

18

20

38

38

-6

Copp this season:

2023-24

Detroit Red Wings

NHL

79

13

20

33

26

-2

33 pts out of a 3C is mediocre at best. It's comparable to Helm's best 3 seasons.

Copp is slow Helm.

 

[norrisnick]

Lars Eller when the Caps won the Cup:

2017-18

Washington Capitals

NHL

81

18

20

38

38

-6

Copp this season:

2023-24

Detroit Red Wings

NHL

79

13

20

33

26

-2

33 pts out of a 3C is mediocre at best. It's comparable to Helm's best 3 seasons.

Copp is slow Helm.

So you agree Copp is a cup calibre 3C. That works for me.

 

[Gniwder]

So you agree Copp is a cup calibre 3C. That works for me.

33 is less than 38. Copp is mediocre. With the right team, almost any player can win the Cup. Helm won with the Avs, but as 4C.

So yes, slow Helm, aka Copp, can win a Cup, but probably as 4C, not 3C.

 

[jkutswings]

It's not that I think Copp CAN'T be a 3C. It's that I don't understand why I'd PREFER to have him there, instead of tossing him on the 4th line where, at worst, he's a fine 4C, and at best, he absolutely thrives in that easier assignment.

Sure, if you're stuck and have no other options, put him at 3C. But I thought this thread was about FIXING the Wings, not TOLERATING them.

 

[NickH8]

It's not that I think Copp CAN'T be a 3C. It's that I don't understand why I'd PREFER to have him there, instead of tossing him on the 4th line where, at worst, he's a fine 4C, and at best, he absolutely thrives in that easier assignment.

Sure, if you're stuck and have no other options, put him at 3C. But I thought this thread was about FIXING the Wings, not TOLERATING them.

I'd prefer Wayne Gretzky at 3c. It ain't gonna happen. We're already overpaying Copp to be 3c. Imagine how much more someone better would cost. Copp is a fine middle of the pack 3c that a good team can win a cup with.

 

[norrisnick]

I too remember the glory days of Draper dropping PPG seasons at the 3C spot...

 

[letsgowings9999]

Kasper or danielson will be 3c next season and copp will fufill his destiny as an overpaid 4c.

I'd just suck it up and retain 2 mill and move him now while you still can but yzerman wont do it

 

[norrisnick]

Kasper or danielson will be 3c next season and copp will fufill his destiny as an overpaid 4c.

I'd just suck it up and retain 2 mill and move him now while you still can but yzerman wont do it

Because it doesn't make any sense to retain $2M to then sign a player for less money and end up no better off.

It's the same reason guys like Nurse, Jones, Tavares, etc... haven't been retained on and moved. It doesn't save anything.

 

[letsgowings9999]

Because it doesn't make any sense to retain $2M to then sign a player for less money and end up no better off.

It's the same reason guys like Nurse, Jones, Tavares, etc... haven't been retained on and moved. It doesn't save anything.

You say that but I'm pretty sure as 3c kasper or danielson can be in the 30-35 pt range copp is providing and saving us 2.5 mill if we want to use to keep kane or go after someone else

If danielson and kasper both go to grand rapids its almost a certainty both will make the team 100% in 2025-2026 . I'd rather ease one in now rather than insert 2 top 10 picks at the same time

Tavarez has a Nmc and wont waive it. Dont know why youd want to move on from nurse atm , jones has alot of term and big money

Copp at 3-3.5 some teams would bite . 0 at 5.6 hit

 

[jkutswings]

I'd prefer Wayne Gretzky at 3c. It ain't gonna happen. We're already overpaying Copp to be 3c. Imagine how much more someone better would cost. Copp is a fine middle of the pack 3c that a good team can win a cup with.

Then we can agree to disagree. Copp is a player I'd prefer to not have on the roster at all, regardless of contract.

 

[norrisnick]

You say that but I'm pretty sure as 3c kasper or danielson can be in the 30-35 pt range copp is providing and saving us 2.5 mill if we want to use to keep kane or go after someone else

If danielson and kasper both go to grand rapids its almost a certainty both will make the team 100% in 2025-2026 . I'd rather ease one in now rather than insert 2 top 10 picks at the same time

Tavarez has a Nmc and wont waive it. Dont know why youd want to move on from nurse atm , jones has alot of term and big money

Copp at 3-3.5 some teams would bite . 0 at 5.6 hit

If offense were the only thing asked of Copp, maybe. But he can go out there with Ras and whoever and keep things respectable without bleeding goals against. He's the perfect player to stick next to either Kasper/Danielson to take some defensive burdens off and help with the odd faceoff.

Compher/Kasper - Berggren
Ras - Copp/Danielson

Would be my choice for our middle 6 next season. Give both kids a center of the opposite handedness for key faceoffs. Give them as many center duties as they can handle but lean on the vet if you have to. Gives the coach a security blanket along with playing kids.

If we land a big fish up front, that obviously changes, but my preferred big fish targets are 2nd pairing RD to play with Edvinsson.

 

[letsgowings9999]

If offense were the only thing asked of Copp, maybe. But he can go out there with Ras and whoever and keep things respectable without bleeding goals against. He's the perfect player to stick next to either Kasper/Danielson to take some defensive burdens off and help with the odd faceoff.

Compher/Kasper - Berggren
Ras - Copp/Danielson

Would be my choice for our middle 6 next season. Give both kids a center of the opposite handedness for key faceoffs. Give them as many center duties as they can handle but lean on the vet if you have to. Gives the coach a security blanket along with playing kids.

If we land a big fish up front, that obviously changes, but my preferred big fish targets are 2nd pairing RD to play with Edvinsson.

Isn't that why we took danielson or kasper?keep things respectable and not be a defensive liability??

I'd rather go with a 3rd line of kasper/danielson with berggren and someone else and retain 2.5 space to keep kane or go after roy/pesce/Joshua

Anyways It's a moot point cause yzermans already going to have to admit he f***ed up with holl signing so hes not gonna throw copp away this season at least. Id go a different direction,kids gotta play. Is what it is

 

[norrisnick]

Isn't that why we took danielson or kasper?keep things respectable and not be a defensive liability??

I'd rather go with a 3rd line of kasper/danielson with berggren and someone else and retain 2.5 space to keep kane or go after roy/pesce/Joshua

Anyways It's a moot point cause yzermans already going to have to admit he f***ed up with holl signing so hes not gonna throw copp away this season at least. Id go a different direction,kids gotta play. Is what it is

As 22-23 year-olds maybe. They're going to be 19 and 20 when the season starts (provided they even make the team). Ask Buffalo how tossing a kid out there as your defensive specialist worked out for them.

If the options are Kane or Copp, I'm keeping Copp 10 times out of 10.

 

[letsgowings9999]

As 22-23 year-olds maybe. They're going to be 19 and 20 when the season starts (provided they even make the team). Ask Buffalo how tossing a kid out there as your defensive specialist worked out for them.

If the options are Kane or Copp, I'm keeping Copp 10 times out of 10.

So you think were going to throw danielson and kasper at the same time in 25-26?? I cant see it and I cant see kasper going in for 3 yrs in the ahl and danielson 2

Not to mention if mazer wont make it this year he will next as well. Sooner or later we have to mix in these kids cant put 3-4 rookie forwards with 0 experience in at the same

Ya I'd much rather go with kane debrincat on the 2nd line for another year or 2 than have copp for 3 at 5.6 per . Agree to disagree

 

[norrisnick]

So you think were going to throw danielson and kasper at the same time in 25-26?? I cant see it and I cant see kasper going in for 3 yrs in the ahl and danielson 2

Not to mention if mazer wont make it this year he will next as well. Sooner or later we have to mix in these kids cant put 3-4 rookie forwards with 0 experience in at the same

Ya I'd much rather go with kane debrincat on the 2nd line for another year or 2 than have copp for 3 at 5.6 per . Agree to disagree

I want them both up this year.

Kane on the 2nd line was trash. Compher can't carry him like Larkin.

 

[letsgowings9999]

I want them both up this year.

Kane on the 2nd line was trash. Compher can't carry him like Larkin.

My bad. misunderstood ...I'd 100% push the youth movement

Worst case scenario we have growing pains jump up 8 spots land hagens and make the playoffs following year lol ... either way kids gotta play soon

That's cause compher ain't a 2c . Kane almost got a ppg and were going to need goals to win. I'd keep him

Debrincat danielson kane ... wont happen but I'd do it ... might as well trust these top 10 picks and feed them minutes and see how they play

Kasper compher berggren 3rd line
Rasmussen copp -

Sucks all that money's on the 4th but is what it is. Rather trust kasper with some skill on the 3rd line than making him the next Rasmussen. Stevie gave him 3.5 x4 but I cant see much more than 4th line duties here in his future unless our prospects bust

 

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[LeighDx59]

I dont know if he would come here, but I would love to grab Chris Tanev to have him play alongside Edvinsson. Buyout Holl, move Maatta, whatever but Tanev would be such a solid upgrade to our defense.