Injury Report: How do YOU fix the Red Wings? 2.0!

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I was waiting for someone to point this out.

It begs the question that if we take a Euro playing in this tournament, is he still a "Hakan" pick if Yzerman and all of the NA scouts watch him? Similarly does a NA pick become a Hakan pick if Hakan is watching him at this tournament?

Remember: pick we like = Hakan pick
Pick we don’t like = Draper pick

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I don't know, that roster kinda looks fire?

That roster looks better than Winnipeg and Washington, and those teams are tops in their conferences respectively.

 

[ElProfessor]

We aren't ever going to be a team that out guns other teams. We simply didn't get the draft luck. We are going to need a team like the Bergeron Bruins, Kopitar Kings, O'Reily Blues. I think this is a really solid 2 way team.

Its a team built out from the back end. Its success would ultimately be determined by if Cossa or Augustine hit because you need the goalie to go with that D. I think that D will be a top 5 in the league and if Cossa or Augustine hit you are looking at a dominant defensive team.

I think a lot of fans have PTSD from our current D of the past 5 years and have forgotten how much a good D can transform a team both offensively and defensively. You give the forward group from last year a good D that can actually transition the puck and I think our scoring issues are a lot less of a concern. We scored like 10 goals all year in transition. We were lucky if we got 2 odd man rushes a game and they were rarely our top line players.

The more I think about it…. There’s just nothing about keeping Larkin and DeBrincat that makes any sense at all.

They both have 3-4 yrs of prime left.

It’s going to take 3-4 yrs for us to get TO our sc-competitive window.

And these guys are going to be overpaid, over-the-hill 3rd liners FOR our sc-competitive window.

Wouldn’t you rather have four 1st Rd picks entering their primes on the team for our SC-window?

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We’d have like $40M in cap space after trading them. It wouldn’t be hard or at all detrimental to get 3-4 solid vets to come here on 3yr overpay contracts and to make the playoffs next season.

 

[deca guard]

MY UFA STRATEGY :

- ORLOV
- PROVOROV
- JEANNOT

- provorov a lefty but can play right side , this means he n orlov form 2nd pairing
- these signings make pairings :

EDVINSSON - SEIDER
ORLOV - PROVEROV
CHARIOT - JOHANSSON

- not a championship d but this aint a championship roster no matter whose signed . plus orlov wouldnt be real long term , and provorov not giant cap hit . but seider n eddie would be a championship duo ! and aljo brain a perfet mix with chariots physicality
- jeannots needed big time
- this improves team without making giant long term cap issues because i want that cap space for eddie / marco / etc

 

[DanielMarois]

Where's the Yzerman press conference, did he get deported by ICE or something.

 

[ColdToiletSeats]

Where's the Yzerman press conference, did he get deported by ICE or something.

He had a major meltdown when Larkin called him out

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Can we merge these 3 threads all talking about the exact same thing please

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No.

This thread is for armchair GMing.
The other threads are for your tears.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

MY UFA STRATEGY :

- ORLOV
- PROVOROV
- JEANNOT

- provorov a lefty but can play right side , this means he n orlov form 2nd pairing
- these signings make pairings :

EDVINSSON - SEIDER
ORLOV - PROVEROV
CHARIOT - JOHANSSON

- not a championship d but this aint a championship roster no matter whose signed . plus orlov wouldnt be real long term , and provorov not giant cap hit . but seider n eddie would be a championship duo ! and aljo brain a perfet mix with chariots physicality
- jeannots needed big time
- this improves team without making giant long term cap issues because i want that cap space for eddie / marco / etc

I’m not a fan of Provorov. I don’t know enough about Orion to say whether or not I like him.

I do really like Gavrikov. By the numbers he’s a top 30 defenseman in the league when you measure his impact. Not great offensively but defensively? He’s a Ryan McDonaugh. We absolutely need that. I’d be willing to pay 8.5 for that and wouldn’t be shocked if LA signs him for that.

Jeannot is a definite yes for me. We need to get realgud n tuff on the bottom lines. If you’re gonna be dumb you gotta be tough. And so far our bottom 6 is just dumb.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

I’m not a fan of Provorov. I don’t know enough about Orion to say whether or not I like him.

I do really like Gavrikov. By the numbers he’s a top 30 defenseman in the league when you measure his impact. Not great offensively but defensively? He’s a Ryan McDonaugh. We absolutely need that. I’d be willing to pay 8.5 for that and wouldn’t be shocked if LA signs him for that.

Jeannot is a definite yes for me. We need to get realgud n tuff on the bottom lines. If you’re gonna be dumb you gotta be tough. And so far our bottom 6 is just dumb.

given the type of defenseman you like you’d like orlov

 

[WF19]

The more I think about it…. There’s just nothing about keeping Larkin and DeBrincat that makes any sense at all.

They both have 3-4 yrs of prime left.

It’s going to take 3-4 yrs for us to get TO our sc-competitive window.

And these guys are going to be overpaid, over-the-hill 3rd liners FOR our sc-competitive window.

Wouldn’t you rather have four 1st Rd picks entering their primes on the team for our SC-window?

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We’d have like $40M in cap space after trading them. It wouldn’t be hard or at all detrimental to get 3-4 solid vets to come here on 3yr overpay contracts and to make the playoffs next season.

Trade Cat and Larkin and hope 2 firsts pan out and will take 2-3 years to get here? Maybe of it was guaranteed it was McKenna or elite caliber but we could also end up with a Zadina or Rasmussen. I dont know why everyone is calling for scorched earth here. We aren't that far off, Yzerman never thought we'd compete with Talbot Lyon Campbell Hutch Husso etc. The needle moves when Cossa comes up i think anyways. As for the shit contracts like Holl and compher and Copp etc they were never a plan for the future hence why they aren't on long contracts. They all expire when we are ready to trust compete which would be potentially 2 years from now..

We need a solid future goalie- Cossa is on his way

1 top 4 dman if ASP can crack the team
1 scoring winger- Marner
Also read somewhere today that once again Petterson may be on the move this summer. Maybe try to swing a trade with retention? I think he's gonna bounce back big and a change of scenery might help.

Just get rid of Holl, Compher, Petry, Compher and replace those guys and I think we see a significant change. Also Todd starting with the Wings may help quite a bit too not coming in trying to turn a team around.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Fact: if after 7 consecutive non playoff position draft picks under SY and 9 total in a row, the DRW roster is so bad fans wanna trade away 2 of its top 3 forwards for more magic beans, then 100% for a fact the GM is the problem...

At this point SY HAS to have a stable full of high caliber prospects and young players or he's the problem, as no team has made more draft picks since SY became the GM in Detroit...no other team.

Its time to start adding more supporting talent and folding in more and more of our own prospects to this roster...no more tanking for top picks...we need talent not remove it

That's SYs job

 

[19 for president]

The more I think about it…. There’s just nothing about keeping Larkin and DeBrincat that makes any sense at all.

They both have 3-4 yrs of prime left.

It’s going to take 3-4 yrs for us to get TO our sc-competitive window.

And these guys are going to be overpaid, over-the-hill 3rd liners FOR our sc-competitive window.

Wouldn’t you rather have four 1st Rd picks entering their primes on the team for our SC-window?

*************************

We’d have like $40M in cap space after trading them. It wouldn’t be hard or at all detrimental to get 3-4 solid vets to come here on 3yr overpay contracts and to make the playoffs next season.

Absolutely no on the picks. If we trade DBC or Larkin for picks we are probably looking at back half of the 1st. Statistically we'd be lucky to land someone to replace people that can even semi produce what they have in probably 4-5 years at the earliest.

I can get on board with dealing Larkin for a Byfield, Fantelli, etc but we need someone showing at least top center potential. Wings are already too far along with next gen young players. If anything we need more people in the Seider/Ray age range. If there is a desperate team out there willing to sell a great young player for a win now thought, then yeah I consider it.

Random picks don't do it for me.

 

[Lampedampe]

Feels like people generally lowball these UFA numbers, alot of teams have cap space to spend and there won't be a great selection of good players to choose from.

Like, if Ehlers gets 7 million I'll eat a hat. Debrincat signed for that, while the cap was way lower and he wanted to sign with the team.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Feels like people generally lowball these UFA numbers, alot of teams have cap space to spend and there won't be a great selection of good players to choose from.

Like, if Ehlers gets 7 million I'll eat a hat. Debrincat signed for that, while the cap was way lower and he wanted to sign with the team.

Another thing posters do is expect their GM to do is sign "that player".

Sometimes, you can't get that player, because of what they want.

EDIT: and I don't mean money.

 

[ElProfessor]

Trade Cat and Larkin and hope 2 firsts pan out and will take 2-3 years to get here? Maybe of it was guaranteed it was McKenna or elite caliber but we could also end up with a Zadina or Rasmussen. I dont know why everyone is calling for scorched earth here. We aren't that far off, Yzerman never thought we'd compete with Talbot Lyon Campbell Hutch Husso etc. The needle moves when Cossa comes up i think anyways. As for the shit contracts like Holl and compher and Copp etc they were never a plan for the future hence why they aren't on long contracts. They all expire when we are ready to trust compete which would be potentially 2 years from now..

We need a solid future goalie- Cossa is on his way

1 top 4 dman if ASP can crack the team
1 scoring winger- Marner
Also read somewhere today that once again Petterson may be on the move this summer. Maybe try to swing a trade with retention? I think he's gonna bounce back big and a change of scenery might help.

Just get rid of Holl, Compher, Petry, Compher and replace those guys and I think we see a significant change. Also Todd starting with the Wings may help quite a bit too not coming in trying to turn a team around.

Would you rather have??

1) two guys who will be over the hill in our cup window

Or

2) 4 1st rd picks……the way Yzerman has drafted in the 1st…….who will be about 22 when we enter our window.

……..

Maybe you all have personal connections to Larkin, DeBrincat. Because none of you are thinking rationally. At all.

 

[ElProfessor]

Absolutely no on the picks. If we trade DBC or Larkin for picks we are probably looking at back half of the 1st. Statistically we'd be lucky to land someone to replace people that can even semi produce what they have in probably 4-5 years at the earliest.

I can get on board with dealing Larkin for a Byfield, Fantelli, etc but we need someone showing at least top center potential. Wings are already too far along with next gen young players. If anything we need more people in the Seider/Ray age range. If there is a desperate team out there willing to sell a great young player for a win now thought, then yeah I consider it.

Random picks don't do it for me.

Well, you’re gonna be trading them to contenders who want to win now….so probably non-lotto picks. Which is fine.

 

[USAHockey97]

Would you rather have??

1) two guys who will be over the hill in our cup window

Or

2) 4 1st rd picks……the way Yzerman has drafted in the 1st…….who will be about 22 when we enter our window.

……..

Maybe you all have personal connections to Larkin, DeBrincat. Because none of you are thinking rationally. At all.

The more I think about it, the less I’m inclined to trade them just for picks. As mentioned, those picks will almost certainty be non-lotto and even top 10 protected and I do not trust Yzerman to draft offensive replacements. Instead he’ll draft a high IQ, high floor, low ceiling two way guy.

The problem is most players aren’t talented enough to be elite both ways. They aren’t drafting Federov, Zetterberg, or a Crosby. Wings also put more emphasis in D and thus neuter some offensive guy’s ability.

If we are building a Boston or St. Louis team, be prepared for disappointment.

 

[theYman]

Goaltending and players to improve the PK ASAP please! I hope we move on from RAS Compher and Tank.

 

[WF19]

Would you rather have??

1) two guys who will be over the hill in our cup window

Or

2) 4 1st rd picks……the way Yzerman has drafted in the 1st…….who will be about 22 when we enter our window.

……..

Maybe you all have personal connections to Larkin, DeBrincat. Because none of you are thinking rationally. At all.

By the time our Cup window is open Cat and Larkin aren't gonna be over hill. We're probably a legit threat in 2-3 years max.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Goaltending and players to improve the PK ASAP please! I hope we move on from RAS Compher and Tank.

What's weird about the PK is that in 2024 when the PK was good (79.6%) they had mostly the same guys.

The top PK guys in terms of PK TOI/GP were Seider, Compher, Copp, Chiarot, Ras and Petry. The only significant change was Walman not being a part of it, but I have a hard time believing he was some lynchpin to the whole thing.

This season it was Seider, Chiarot, Compher, Ed, Motte. I do not understand why they'd reduce Ras and Copp's PK time. Ras went from averaging 1:47 on the PK in 2024 to 49 seconds this past season. Copp went from averaging 2:20 to 1:01.

So they dramatically reduced the PK time of two of the better defensive players who aren't exactly known for their offense? I don't get it.

Also I think you will be disappointed in terms of moving those guys. Wings aren't deep enough at center to move Compher. Tank they'll probably hang onto hoping for a rebound year. Ras I am soooo done with but he has 3 more years on his contract. I'm guessing he's staying and if ever gets moved it will be in the last year of his deal.

 

[Reddwit]

I like the idea of adding Gavrikov but Im pretty skeptical about overpaying him. Same with Provorov. I feel like these guys are going to get 8M AAV +. Signing a 29 year old, 30 point Dman to an $8M+ x 6 or 7 year contract seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

I don't see a world were Duchene/Tavares leave their respective teams. They seem happy competing for cups where they are at. Helping out a rebuild doesn't seem like what they would want at this point in their career.

I love the idea of Marner and I think Yzerman will go hard after him. I doubt it happens though.

FWIW, on paper, I like your lineup.

The cap is set to jump by historic amounts the next few years, no? By 2027, the cap will have increased ~30% over 2024 numbers. Chiarot-caliber defensemen will likely be making $6M (Chiarot’s cap percentage in 2022 is equivalent to $6.5M under the projected $113M cap for 2027) and guys like Gavrikov/Provorov will be getting $10M. Presuming Ed signs a Seider-like deal, and Gavrikov/Provorov get similar, that would mean Detroit’s top 3 defenseman are all under market rate for defenseman of their caliber by 2027. Doesn’t seem so scary having a top 3 signed to $25M when the going rate would be $30M+.

 

[ElProfessor]

The more I think about it, the less I’m inclined to trade them just for picks. As mentioned, those picks will almost certainty be non-lotto and even top 10 protected and I do not trust Yzerman to draft offensive replacements. Instead he’ll draft a high IQ, high floor, low ceiling two way guy.

The problem is most players aren’t talented enough to be elite both ways. They aren’t drafting Federov, Zetterberg, or a Crosby. Wings also put more emphasis in D and thus neuter some offensive guy’s ability.

If we are building a Boston or St. Louis team, be prepared for disappointment.

Which of Yzerman’s 1st rd picks makes you think he’ll make bad 1st rd picks???

This is like talking to crazy people.

Completely irrational.

 

[ElProfessor]

By the time our Cup window is open Cat and Larkin aren't gonna be over hill. We're probably a legit threat in 2-3 years max.

Could be a ten yr window if we trade Larkin and DeBrincat for 4 1st rd picks and hit on 2 of them.

 

[USAHockey97]

Which of Yzerman’s 1st rd picks makes you think he’ll make bad 1st rd picks???

This is like talking to crazy people.

Completely irrational.

I said non-lotto and probably top 10 protected. Meaning after 10. Additionally I was agreeing with the poster I replied to that Larkin would probably go to a competing team which is draft position 17 or lower. The last picks of Kasper, Danielson and MBN do not scream high offense. They scream two way players. Or in MBN’s case a guy with a slap shot that can go into corners. Not terrible but not what the Wings NEED. How is saying that irrational?

 

[ElProfessor]

I said non-lotto and probably top 10 protected. Meaning after 10. Additionally I was agreeing with the poster I replied to that Larkin would probably go to a competing team which is draft position 17 or lower. The last picks of Kasper, Danielson and MBN do not scream high offense. They scream two way players. Or in MBN’s case a guy with a slap shot that can go into corners. Not terrible but not what the Wings NEED. How is saying that irrational?

Kasper is not a scorer why? Because he led all NHL rookies in goals and points post-McLellan this yr?

Danielson is not a scorer why? Because he’s putting up more pts/game in GR than Kasper did last yr?

MBN is not a scorer why? Because he had more offensive tools than Kasper/Danielson coming out and bc he was 2nd in the SHL in post-season goals and points amongst 23&under players (ASP #1) at 19yrs old?

Yzerman can’t draft good players outside of the lotto bc Cossa and ASP…who are probably The #1 Goalie and #1 Defense prospects in all of hockey…have been his two non top-10 1st rd picks?

Buddy. Irrational said farewell to you a long time ago. You are completely off the deep end