How big is Olympic ice hockey in Europe?

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What does that have to do with anything? You might have noticed I don't like football. Even in there would be the best team in the world in Kazan what do I care? I actually have no idea what kind of a team Rubin is. I don't know a single player. And btw the russian league is a league of foreigners. Even if I cared for football I couldn't find it interesting if our Brazilians beat their Argentinians or vice versa.

:laugh: Relax. I was joking. Your complete ignorance about football is evident to everyone. And it makes it much more funny to read your obnoxious and arrogant posts about it. You'd said that you find football boring, fine, we get it, there are no reason to repeat it ten times, because it wouldn't make it any more relevant. It still would be only your opinion. Quite ignorant opinion.

No, I won't call you stupid, but stubborn... More teams doesn't mean it is harder to win. End of story. I might not like football, but I know a thing or two about it. Tell me how many teams ever won the World Cup? Hint: it's pretty much the same number as the number of "big" hockey nations. Gives: it's pretty much the same number of top teams really competing for the title every time. Btw the fact I don't like football doesn't mean I don't know football. I might know it better than you.

You know nothing about football. Since 1998 years there were 6 teams that have played in Olympics final and 7 that had played in WC finals which could look like equal numbers. Except that there are no more teams in hockey whatsoever and we wouldn't see any new teams in final matches in foreseen future. In football those 7 teams are barely half of possible contenders. Just look at FIFA rating. Only 5 teams on top 10 were champions. Other 5 could definitely be contenders for title in future (Netherlands were very close not so long ago and Belgium definitely would be top team in next ten years).
 
Since 1998 years there were 6 teams that have played in Olympics final and 7 that had played in WC finals which could look like equal numbers. Except that there are no more teams in hockey whatsoever and we wouldn't see any new teams in final matches in foreseen future.

Switzerland made it to the final for the first time since 1935 in 2013, Denmark is starting to have many quality players and the German hockey federation recently stated that their aim is to be a medal contender by 2026.
 
It always comes down to insecure hockey fans trolling football fans. Which is pretty funny since the opposite often happens in Finland (Hockey gets more attention)
I never understood how homogenic hockey fans seem to be, its like they rally behind the idea that they are a "hockey fan" and because thats what they are they cant be anything else.
 
Okay, so teams like Uruguay, Hungary and Austria which have last medaled in the 50s count. Guess Austria, Great Britain and Germany are contenders at hockey as well then.

Ok contenders? Netherlands,Argentina,Germany,Brazil,Spain,France,Belgium,England(if they can learn to play like a team),Italy

Anything els?
 
Switzerland made it to the final for the first time since 1935 in 2013, Denmark is starting to have many quality players and the German hockey federation recently stated that their aim is to be a medal contender by 2026.

And goal of one of previous presidents of RFS (Russian football Union) was to win WC2018.:laugh: Let's agree that those are equally unrealistic and ridiculous statements.
 
And goal of one of previous presidents of RFS (Russian football Union) was to win WC2018.:laugh: Let's agree that those are equally unrealistic and ridiculous statements.

I don't think it's ridiculous, German hockey is really going through reforms at the moment.

Ok contenders? Netherlands,Argentina,Germany,Brazil,Spain,France,Belgium,England(if they can learn to play like a team),Italy

Anything els?

That makes 8. At hockey it's Canada, USA, Russia, Slovakia, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Finland and Sweden. Sure, soccer is a bigger sport but it's the same thing at soccer — there are a handful of contenders and the romanticized perceptions that every team from Germany to Guatemala is a contender are just nonsense.
 
That makes 8. At hockey it's Canada, USA, Russia, Slovakia, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Finland and Sweden. Sure, soccer is a bigger sport but it's the same thing at soccer — there are a handful of contenders and the romanticized perceptions that every team from Germany to Guatemala is a contender are just nonsense.

He forget at least Portugal, Uruguay and Colombia. And you should definitely drop Slovakia and Switzerland, because it wouldn't happen on Olympic level in next twenty years at least. Czech, Russia and Finland is also very questionable. Czech and Russia have very long way to rebuild their hockey and Finland... No offense, but Finland have very little resources for future improvements.
 
I don't think it's ridiculous, German hockey is really going through reforms at the moment.



That makes 8. At hockey it's Canada, USA, Russia, Slovakia, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Finland and Sweden. Sure, soccer is a bigger sport but it's the same thing at soccer — there are a handful of contenders and the romanticized perceptions that every team from Germany to Guatemala is a contender are just nonsense.

Sicen when was Slovakien, Switzerland favorit to the gold on best on best:laugh:?
 
He forget at least Portugal, Uruguay and Colombia. And you should definitely drop Slovakia and Switzerland, because it wouldn't happen on Olympic level in next twenty years at least. Czech, Russia and Finland is also very questionable. Czech and Russia have very long way to rebuild their hockey and Finland... No offense, but Finland have very little resources for future improvements.

Hah, Finland has won more best-on-best Olympic medals than any other nation and was very close to winning gold in Turin but then Koivu's stick broke.
 
Hah, Finland has won more best-on-best Olympic medals than any other nation and was very close to winning gold in Turin but then Koivu's stick broke.

I don't care about medals. Your chances to win against Canada in Olympic playoff are almost nonexistent. And Turin was probably the best chance for Finland for many decades ahead. It could never happen anymore.

And as I've said I've mean no offense, Finland is very good team, but they are already overachieving and difference in level with Canada is too big to overcome. Finland have no resources for that.
 
I don't care about medals. Your chances to win against Canada in Olympic playoff is almost nonexistent. And Turin was probably the best chance for Finland for many decades ahead. It could never happen anymore.

And as I've said I've mean no offense, Finland is very good team, but they are already overachieving and difference in level with Canada is too big to overcome. Finland have no resources for that.

I am aware that Canada is a heavy favorite in a match-up against Finland, but it's not like Finland has never beaten them before. It's not a series of 7, anything can happen in a single elimination game. Especially with Finland's brilliant goaltending.

Yes i did and as i remeber it wasent "close" that Finland would have won that game.

It most certainly was a close one.
 
lol !
on topic... the only way of growing hockey in eu is to have non hockey countries win some major tournaments... in germany i see a big potential... everything that wins gets the hype over here. there are olympic decisions that got created by germans because they couldnt win in the original contests... thats how bad we want medals :laugh: a 1line nhl superstar wouldnt help but the growth of hockey depends on the nation team. everything else is just a bonus
You likely know better about your own country but from what I hear, I just don't see that happening. Germany is the heart of football in the world (please everyone, don't argue with me for this title, they just won the world cup and yes even I know that, let them enjoy it for a few years). It's going to be hard or impossible to divert any significant amount of youth players or media attention from football to hockey. It's sad but I think it's true. It's similar to whoever thought it would be a brilliant idea to put a hockey team in Miami, Florida. Florida and Texas are states that can only support 1 hockey team maximum and Alabama will probably never support any. The south is the heart of American Football. FSU, UF, UT, Texas A&M, Baylor, everyone knows those teams. Probably the fastest rising country right now is Poland but they have a long way to go before contending for anything real. Denmark is also a good place to watch, and Latvia and Austria will continue their climbs upwards. Germany will always be good, I just don't see hockey doing any major growth there.
 
You know where the West Indies are located, right? Having a test nation in every continent save South America and Antarctica makes it much more international and less regional than Ice Hockey.
Actually there is a test nation in South America.

Okay, so teams like Uruguay, Hungary and Austria which have last medaled in the 50s count. Guess Austria, Great Britain and Germany are contenders at hockey as well then.
You realise Uruguay finished 4th just at the previous world cup, right?
 
I don't think it's ridiculous, German hockey is really going through reforms at the moment

No chance in hell, Hockey is sport #15 in Germany (or something ariund that ;) ) and they won't be contenders in 10 years, because that would be noticable at the U16-U18 stage. Contend with Sui/Svk/Cze maybe for second tier, but for title contenders, zero chance!

If you want to include project Germany on your contender lidt, you might as well include "Project Qatar" in the football list of contenders.

The whole discussion is ridicoulous anyway, football is clearly more competitive, since there are far more countries that play it professional. Pretty logical to say the least. KHL is the 2nd best league in the world, but it's not even close to NHL, while in football, 4-5 leagues are on the top level.
 
You likely know better about your own country but from what I hear, I just don't see that happening. Germany is the heart of football in the world (please everyone, don't argue with me for this title, they just won the world cup and yes even I know that, let them enjoy it for a few years). It's going to be hard or impossible to divert any significant amount of youth players or media attention from football to hockey. It's sad but I think it's true. It's similar to whoever thought it would be a brilliant idea to put a hockey team in Miami, Florida. Florida and Texas are states that can only support 1 hockey team maximum and Alabama will probably never support any. The south is the heart of American Football. FSU, UF, UT, Texas A&M, Baylor, everyone knows those teams. Probably the fastest rising country right now is Poland but they have a long way to go before contending for anything real. Denmark is also a good place to watch, and Latvia and Austria will continue their climbs upwards. Germany will always be good, I just don't see hockey doing any major growth there.

u may misread my post, i never intended to actually switch football with hockey for the #1sport... u are right, thats not possible.
its just that hockey is not even on the radar. no1 outside of actual hockey fans knows that there is a wc in the neighbor country. the potential for growh is the highest in the world because the amount of people that live here..., if austria turns in a hockey country the overall growth will be not significant. football is not the only sport here its just the clear cut number1 leader, after that its watever is winning. there ****** associations for every activity, if u plant hockey rings into cities people will use them. just need a motivation to build them.
 
u may misread my post, i never intended to actually switch football with hockey for the #1sport... u are right, thats not possible.
its just that hockey is not even on the radar. no1 outside of actual hockey fans knows that there is a wc in the neighbor country. the potential for growh is the highest in the world because the amount of people that live here..., if austria turns in a hockey country the overall growth will be not significant. football is not the only sport here its just the clear cut number1 leader, after that its watever is winning. there ****** associations for every activity, if u plant hockey rings into cities people will use them. just need a motivation to build them.
Perhaps. What I would wonder is if parents would enroll their children in both sports. Obviously Germany with 80 million residents has a much larger growth potential than say Latvia with now less than 2 million but if youth registration remains low things are unlikely to change. But the situation is similar to that in the US. Parents actively encourage their kids into Basketball and Football as a kind of cultural tradition. Thus the amount of infrastructure that the government is willing to provide for these sports is immense. Meanwhile, the lack of demand for hockey rinks is perpetual. There are 3 rinks within about a 50 mile radius of where I am, and one is the stadium for an AHL team, so it's inaccessible to the public. Perhaps winning, and having an NHL Star (say Draisaitl) could generate interest and start a positive trend. I hope that can be the case but it's not a slam dunk.
 
He forget at least Portugal, Uruguay and Colombia. And you should definitely drop Slovakia and Switzerland, because it wouldn't happen on Olympic level in next twenty years at least. Czech, Russia and Finland is also very questionable. Czech and Russia have very long way to rebuild their hockey and Finland... No offense, but Finland have very little resources for future improvements.

Well population size is an inhibiting factor, yes, but little resources other than that? No. Lots of rink, outdoor ice in winter, national sport, kids fed a diet of ice hockey is the greatest team sport, Kärpät winning, Lions doing well..

I don't care about medals. Your chances to win against Canada in Olympic playoff are almost nonexistent. And Turin was probably the best chance for Finland for many decades ahead. It could never happen anymore.

And as I've said I've mean no offense, Finland is very good team, but they are already overachieving and difference in level with Canada is too big to overcome. Finland have no resources for that.

Here is where I take you up and say you are wrong.
when Kurri and Tikkanen retired people said we were done, Koivu, Lehtinen and Selänne took the baton and kept us at the top - the one odd medal now and then has turned into a stream of yearly medals both WC and Olympic, the brightest has been missing as we have never been quite good enough (Save Torino - we were the best but had bad luck) now the Selänne, Koivu generation are gone and we have a gap year so folks like you are assuming we will sink like Slovakia..
Except now we are building from the net out, Määttä, Vatanen, Lindell, Lindbohm, Ristolainen, Jokipakka, Pokka - man, we are about to have a defence better than anything we have ever had!
Laine, Puljujärvi - there's our new Koivu Selänne super duo - so we will probably be at least as good as before.

But behind them there's even more good stuff coming, I am sure of it.
I've been working with kids for a few years now, 7-12 year olds. There's easily a team full of NHL potential players there, how many will continue all the way as they grow up - who know's, but the talent.. Man the talent is there.

If there is one thing that Finnish hockey has succeeded in, and is an example for other nations, it's in growing from the youth and improving the men's team one by one. 1988 was our first medal. Since then we have started to medal every time, both WC and best on best.

If another country can emulate that - then there is no reason why Switzerland or Germany wouldn't be able to join the top nations at the table and saying best on best Let's go..

Our pipeline for hot prospects is imo right up there

In soccer that same thing is happening in the US, USA 2014 was light years better than the team from 1994 and if Africa ever gets its act together, Nigeria, Cameroon, Ghana will be neck and neck with Brazil and co.
 
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