How are you feeling about Tavares these days?
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Defense wins championships...shit, not that one
Strength down the middle...shit, not that one either
Plus/minus tells the story...damn, another swing and miss
Hold on, gotta move these heavy ass goalposts.
Points, yeah yeah, that's my measure. Points.
f***ing loser
He needs to go.
But what I think will happen is that he will sign a 3-4yrs deal at 3mil per to stay and retire as a Leafs.
But what I think will happen is that he will sign a 3-4yrs deal at 3mil per to stay and retire as a Leafs.
You forgot faceoffs
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That's just like, uh, your opinion man.
Tavares absolutely set the bar and he was quickly passed by Matthews and Marner as better players which put them in a tough spot when Dubas had no backbone to get real RFA deals out of either of them.
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I think his time has come. I am ok with him staying on the Leafs, but not as captain and not at 11M. Next year is what it is, but I think he should wear an A next year and then sign with us for like 2-3M.
It’s not actually.
Matthews deal split the difference of Eichel and McDavid’s deals as everyone expected.
Marner then used Matthews as his comparable.
It goes down exactly the same if JT is never signed.
hamzarocks
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Matthews deal didnt split the difference
He got 13.5-14.5M on a 8 year deal
They got 10 and 12.5 on 8 year deal
Split the difference is 11.25M on 8
Matthews got 11.634 x 5
This ignores that Mcdavids ELC (2016, 2017, 2018) > Matthews Career years (2021, 2022, and 2024) and Matthews off his ELC was much closer to Eichel than Mcdavid
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3rd line centers don't get paid 11 million and the captaincy. He never brought us to the where we wanted to go. The Tavares era has been nothing but failure save for one series against Tampa.
Also accurate.
He's one of the all-time playoffs loser.
He was a loser on Long Island.
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they tried him as the 3rd line C and he proved he's actually not good at it
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Some of us have been saying that since the day he signed.
I have nothing against Tavares, but that signing was a huge mistake by Dubas, and it has cost us some of the prime years of Matthews and Nylander, and others.
I'm sorry JT didn't get to win the Cup here, but I'll be glad when that contract is over.
If he wants to stay after that, it has to be as a coach or something like that.
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He's getting older so it's natural his pts start to sink, and it looks like they are. But amazingly, no matter how slow he is or fans making fun of his boring approach, he still somehow gets pts. He's also good on faceoffs.
In isolation I dont think he's been a bad player at all. It's just his contract being $11M eats up so much cap space, and his style of play doesn't flow well with the other core players who are all faster.
If JT cant park himself close to net to bang in close range goals because opposing players are blocking shots or he's getting pushed out, he's pretty much invisible.
In isolation I dont think he's been a bad player at all. It's just his contract being $11M eats up so much cap space, and his style of play doesn't flow well with the other core players who are all faster.
If JT cant park himself close to net to bang in close range goals because opposing players are blocking shots or he's getting pushed out, he's pretty much invisible.
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That can be summed up in just 1 word and 1 phrase.
ShanaPlan and "We can and We WIll".
This completes Shanahan 10th year, hired in 2014 and the results are 1 single playoff win. PATHETIC !!
That is due totally in part to WHO he put in charge, and his foolish stubborn notion that they can & they will pay their core 4 at the highest prices in the league consuming 1/2 their salary cap.
The record shows that NO team has ever advanced beyond the 2nd round with more than 1 player making double digit salary, and next year thanks to JT final season and Willy's new raise the Leafs will have 4 players in the top 10 highest paid players in the game.
The mess that the Tavaras signing had on Leafs Cup competitive window was it nailed it shut as now one of the least successful teams in a Salary Cap era.
Islanders fan in peace. I’m far from a Tavares fan but I don’t think you can question his heart and drive and I’d bet nobody cares more about the team and fans like he does. He has the unfortunate look of someone who just came out of a lobotomy operation and people mistake the blank look as someone who doesn’t care. He does and I‘d bet no one is losing more sleep than him these days. He’s not the brightest guy as you can tell from his cliche filled interviews but he knows the game .
His problem is he’s just too slow for the game. He’s old and the game is much faster than when he started. I think it’s that simple.
The problem with Tavares was he wasn't even worth it his 2nd season on the contract.
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yeah he gives an effort , can't say it's anymore than the rest of the guys but what JT cares about most is getting his , team/fans/teammates come in a few levels down from the importance of him padding his stats
but if you miss him so much , pop onto TSN and you can check out his year end presser , classic Johnny , it's unbelievable how many cliches he can pack into an interview and i could only get through the first 3/4 mins , lol
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He gave us more effort this series than typically seen in the regular season and fought tooth and nail for every inch of ice in the opening games when Boston wanted to knock him out. He assisted on the Game 5 win by driving the net.
But he’s not paid to be a guy who tries. He’s paid to be a guy who does it all, dominates and drags his team to wins. Like imagine if he just gave us Mika Zibanejad level scoring center level impact.
The other thing is I find his decisions to be selfish at times. He’d rather try the low percentage shot attempt at times than distribute. Looks off guys. Makes tunnel vision plays. He’s a Cookie Monster.
If hes willing to waive, I'm sure there are teams out there willing to take him at 50% for next to nothing in return.
hamzarocks
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1st year he may have been worth it when adjusting for UFA tax
In 2019 he was a fringe top 15ish player but I think he was 2nd-5th highest AAV that year in the league
19-20 onwards he was never a top 25 player in the league falling as low as fringe top 100 this year
