How aggressive should the Leafs be at the deadline? Whimper or All In?

[Anthrax442]

All the players that were traded today. Those players.

Meh

 

[Ports]

What even is this?
I'm reminded of a quote from Billy Madison.
You all know which one.


Why experiment when we already know the Rielly Schenn pairing works?

That was two years ago. Players can change in two years. Especially older players. Rielly is a good example of that. Anyway Schenn is a Penguin now.

 

[Donnie740]

With looking on who is available for trade…none of those players are worth trading first round picks Minton or Cowan.

Laughton is a 4th line scrub. I would much rather bring up Minton to play 3C in the playoffs. No f***ing way I am trading young blue chips and first round picks for that guy.

Often the best move you make, is in fact the move you don’t make. Treliving needs to stand pat. I believe this team is going to be very good in the playoffs. Just as they are.

Agree 100%

Look at how comical the Tampa/Seattle trade is - - TWO (2) firsts plus a second for a has-been Yan Gourde and mediocre middle six guy Bjorkstrand?

I’d be furor Treliving made a trade that dumb.

 

[Stephen]

What would it take to get Mario Ferraro from San Jose - - Minten plus a mid round draft pick to a third team for salary retention?

Ferraro would be a great fit with Rielly.

The best fit with Rielly is two new defensemen and Rielly in another city.

 

[Stephen]

The Leafs should stand pat at the deadline or else be acquiring players who are part of the medium term and are outer core level guys who can grow into core members. Like the Hagel equivalent deal a couple of years ago. If it’s to win in 2025, the team isn’t in position to do so.

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

So hard to say. Make the team better, same as anytime of the year. Easy to get caught up in the hype, but... this core needs to do it - not another depth piece. And hopefully we ride Stollie wave as far as we can!

 

[CabanaBoy5]

The Leafs management has to be more ruthless when it comes to the trades. Find your guy(s) and do whatever it takes to get him.

Tampa has done that in the past, mortgaging their so called future to get their guy. They're still in contention year after year. Florida didn't fall in love with Weegar or Huberdeau, they found their guy Tkachuk and made the trade. Boston has done the same and although they're faltering a bit now, they've been bold with their moves.

If Rantanen is available, you get him, within a reasonable cost. If it's Schenn you want, make it happen. I'm getting tired of this half-ass working around the edges of this team. Too much money invested in 4 guys, and now they're talking of giving Tavares $7 million? The beat goes on.

 

[thewave]

The Leafs management has to be more ruthless when it comes to the trades. Find your guy(s) and do whatever it takes to get him.

Tampa has done that in the past, mortgaging their so called future to get their guy. They're still in contention year after year. Florida didn't fall in love with Weegar or Huberdeau, they found their guy Tkachuk and made the trade. Boston has done the same and although they're faltering a bit now, they've been bold with their moves.

If Rantanen is available, you get him, within a reasonable cost. If it's Schenn you want, make it happen. I'm getting tired of this half-ass working around the edges of this team. Too much money invested in 4 guys, and now they're talking of giving Tavares $7 million? The beat goes on.

I love your attitude.

2026, well we sold the farm in 24/25. 2030 well this is because 24/25. 2032, well we had to overpay him, look at the cap.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Agree 100%

Look at how comical the Tampa/Seattle trade is - - TWO (2) firsts plus a second for a has-been Yan Gourde and mediocre middle six guy Bjorkstrand?

I’d be furor Treliving made a trade that dumb.

The question you have to ask, is Tampa better with those two guys in their lineup. Unquestionably they are. They see an opportunity to win this year, and are taking it. Deal with the future in the future when you have a chance to win now.

 

[Thornbury]

That was two years ago. Players can change in two years. Especially older players. Rielly is a good example of that. Anyway Schenn is a Penguin now.

But I have to assume the Pens will try to flip Schenn. They're going nowhere this year, or for the next few most likely.

 

[Donnie740]

The question you have to ask, is Tampa better with those two guys in their lineup. Unquestionably they are. They see an opportunity to win this year, and are taking it. Deal with the future in the future when you have a chance to win now.

I supposing losing in the second round is “better” than losing in the first round.

Four months from now, BrisBois is going to wake up a realize he’s only got one year of Ollie Bjorkstran to show for two firsts and a second.

It’s the equivalent of waking up in Rio de Janeiro without any pants on and missing your wallet and passport.

 

[thewave]

I supposing losing in the second round is “better” than losing in the first round.

Four months from now, BrisBois is going to wake up a realize he’s only got one year of Ollie Bjorkstran to show for two firsts and a second.

It’s the equivalent of waking up in Rio de Janeiro without any pants on and missing your wallet and passport.

And I keep going back

 

[Ports]

But I have to assume the Pens will try to flip Schenn. They're going nowhere this year, or for the next few most likely.

Now that he controls Schenn’s destiny is Dubas trying to keep him out of the Leafs hands ?

 

[Donnie740]

Now that he controls Schenn’s destiny is Dubas trying to keep him out of the Leafs hands ?

It’s comical how this clown continues to just keep bringing back his former players.

Filled up the Leafs with mediocre ex Soo Greyhounds. Now filling up the Penguins with mediocre ex Leafs.

Worst GM in hockey history.

 

[mustardtiger67]

I was team all in, and still am to some degree. But the market is just so bad.

You can’t give up any of Minten,Danford,Cowan or next years first for any of the players bandied about except Parayko and maybe Rantanen. And even then Mikko is a nice to have but doesn’t technically address a true need.

Unless some big names come out of the woodwork, you use some 2-4th round picks and other B level prospects to get you the best depth C and RD you can scrounge up.

If you were going to move any of our big pieces pieces, we’d get so much more value doing so in the summer. We just can’t throw them away for mediocre pieces now. It’s just bad business.

That said I’m doing everything I can to look at players who are worth the Cowans and trying to pry them loose at the last minute. Roman Josi I’m looking at you sir.

 

[mjd1001]

Nothing has changed my mind of this topic, they still should go all in, more than they have in recent memory.

3 of your 4 top players are now in the prime of their career. You are tied for the 2nd best team/record in the entire conference now. I cannot think of a time where they should be 'all in' more than they are now.

The excuse that its not worth it because this 'core' is just going to flame out in the playoffs doesn't hold either. You are stuck with this core...anyone you trade now is not likely in a year or two to put this 'core' over the top in the future. If you don't think they are good enough in the playoffs, then ADD to them now to try to push them this year.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Clownshow Treliving letting all the good players go strengthen Florida and TBay. If this twit doesn't do something, its another first round and out.

It will be anyway.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

I supposing losing in the second round is “better” than losing in the first round.

Four months from now, BrisBois is going to wake up a realize he’s only got one year of Ollie Bjorkstran to show for two firsts and a second.

It’s the equivalent of waking up in Rio de Janeiro without any pants on and missing your wallet and passport.

He has two Cups with his core and his moves. We have none.

Next question.

 

[Schennanigans]

I don’t mind them going all in if they are targeting players that’ll make a big difference. But some of the players they are targeting won’t move the needle much.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The question you have to ask, is Tampa better with those two guys in their lineup. Unquestionably they are. They see an opportunity to win this year, and are taking it. Deal with the future in the future when you have a chance to win now.

Yeah and we've been doing it too, ever since we kept JVR as our "own rental". At least we have one playoff round win to show for it, that's better than nothing right?

 

[Stephen]

Clownshow Treliving letting all the good players go strengthen Florida and TBay. If this twit doesn't do something, its another first round and out.

I don't think Jones, Gourde and Bjorkstrand would have been universally applauded as positive moves before the Florida teams got them. Jones has unique upside and a lot of risk, Gourde and Bjorkstrand are just whatever.

Like Yanni effing Gourde. 17 points in 36 games. Pacioretty has 13 in 37.

 

[capfit9]

Fairly certain they’ll use Jarnkrok as an addition or at least try to sell it that way

 

[34]

Clownshow Treliving letting all the good players go strengthen Florida and TBay. If this twit doesn't do something, it’s another first round and out.

Not trying to argue, but what good players are you referring to? Gourde is garbage and the others are not far off. None of those players are putting the Leafs over the edge to win.

Treliving should stand pat! Laughton is a 4th liner. I would rather give Minton the opportunity.

 

[Racer88]

I don't think Jones, Gourde and Bjorkstrand would have been universally applauded as positive moves before the Florida teams got them. Jones has unique upside and a lot of risk, Gourde and Bjorkstrand are just whatever.

Like Yanni effing Gourde. 17 points in 36 games. Pacioretty has 13 in 37.

However Patches is broken all the time so he is a waste

 

[Leafsfan74]

The Leafs management has to be more ruthless when it comes to the trades. Find your guy(s) and do whatever it takes to get him.

Tampa has done that in the past, mortgaging their so called future to get their guy. They're still in contention year after year. Florida didn't fall in love with Weegar or Huberdeau, they found their guy Tkachuk and made the trade. Boston has done the same and although they're faltering a bit now, they've been bold with their moves.

If Rantanen is available, you get him, within a reasonable cost. If it's Schenn you want, make it happen. I'm getting tired of this half-ass working around the edges of this team. Too much money invested in 4 guys, and now they're talking of giving Tavares $7 million? The beat goes on.

You can't be ruthless when half of your cap is attached to five players. TJHEY have to get it done, period.

The rest is window dressing. They illustrated after the loss to the Habs that this core was never going to get it done. Then they lost with a pretty good team assembled at the deadline a couple of years ago.

Pick up some improvement pieces and hope the goaltending and D do their job. No overpayments, no sexy one and done pickups. Otherwise unless the star players become Mark Messier playoff performers all of a sudden, the team MUST move the overpaid dead wood.

Just accept as I have that this franchise will never obtain the level of greatness and sacrifice needed to win the Cup. It makes it easier to watch the games. Acceptance is the final stage in the grieving process.