Red Sox/MLB Hot Stove Part 2: Lockout Edition - 6 games lost, 156 to go
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DKH
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So I’m going thru a bunch of old pictures and stuff my mother had and come across a photo of my brother in grade school on a field trip to this bowling alley in Beverly called Go-Go Lanes run by Peter Daley a former Red Sox backup catcher in the 50’s.
I don’t remember him because I wasn’t born lol but I look him up and pretty fascinating
he only hit 18 career homeruns but 4 were off HOF - Bob Lemon, 300 game winner Early Wynn, Jim Bunning & Whitey Ford.
he Also caught President Kennedy ceremonial first pitch in 1961 as the catcher with the expansion Washington Senators
he played with Ted Williams and Harry Aganis in 1955 and Jackie Jensen among others and as catcher had a front row for Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris among others
he’s 91 and still alive in California
Pete Daley – Society for American Baseball Research
cool stuff you never know as a kid that guy showing you how to bowl had 3 hits including a triple and Homer in same game of legendary Whitey Ford
he was on the 1960 KC Athletics with 3 future top managers- Hank Bauer, Dick Williams, & Whitey Herzog
my favorite story is Daley played 7 yrs in majors and twice had 4 hits in a game and both were same date June 14.
The other 5 June 14ths he was in majors he didn’t play - that’s nuts
I don’t remember him because I wasn’t born lol but I look him up and pretty fascinating
he only hit 18 career homeruns but 4 were off HOF - Bob Lemon, 300 game winner Early Wynn, Jim Bunning & Whitey Ford.
he Also caught President Kennedy ceremonial first pitch in 1961 as the catcher with the expansion Washington Senators
he played with Ted Williams and Harry Aganis in 1955 and Jackie Jensen among others and as catcher had a front row for Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris among others
he’s 91 and still alive in California
Pete Daley – Society for American Baseball Research
cool stuff you never know as a kid that guy showing you how to bowl had 3 hits including a triple and Homer in same game of legendary Whitey Ford
he was on the 1960 KC Athletics with 3 future top managers- Hank Bauer, Dick Williams, & Whitey Herzog
my favorite story is Daley played 7 yrs in majors and twice had 4 hits in a game and both were same date June 14.
The other 5 June 14ths he was in majors he didn’t play - that’s nuts
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HockeyMomx2
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, gotcha. I wasn't thinking about who started it, just when the last stoppage was apparently
Oh, brother.
How is that not a legitimate concern? Please tell me Mr Doubleday.
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I know you’ve been concerned about becoming Tampa north but one thing they didn’t and don’t do is rush prospects. Finding a cheap replacement on the market maybe yes, but they develop prospects well
Almost all modern sports commissioners are. Manfred is carrying the bag of the owners. He has no real power outside of the power the MLB owners give him.
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Hamilton is kind of a middle infield/center field prospect. Excellent speed, and really good bat to ball skills. Doesn't have much power, which probably limits him to something of a utility role. Decent glove, not much of an arm.
Binelas is the more interesting of the two. He was the Brewers' 3rd round pick this past summer, and heading into last season, he was viewed as a potential Top 10 pick. He only played two games as a sophomore due to injury, and then he struggled at the plate this year adjusting back to live pitching. Reported to the minors and absolutely raked in his pro debut. Huge power, but there was too much swing and miss at Louisville last year. There are also questions about where he'll have to play defensively.
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The two types of balls thing is true - due to the shortage of the deader balls because the pandemic shut down production, they had to use the older juiced balls too. And I knew that they didn't report that to the players. But this is the first I've heard about him saving the juiced balls for primetime marquee games. If that can be corroborated, it's over, Manfred has to go.
Oof. I literally came across all of this tonight. Why am I not surprised at all by this? Insane!
Manfred's merely carrying out the will of the 30 owners he represents. To think he has any sort of say and that this was planned on his part would be asinine. That said...this gives the union big time leverage to say to the owners go sit and spin. This is about to get messy and it's gonna last for a while.
BostonBob
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I posted this earlier in the previous Red Sox thread.
from cbssports.com:
Hamilton, primarily a shortstop, was picked in the eighth round of the 2019 draft. He split last season between High- and Double-A, batting .258/.341/.419 with eight home runs and 52 stolen bases on 61 tries. (The latter can be credited to rule changes implemented at the level.) Baseball America ranked Hamilton as the 15th-best prospect in Milwaukee's system midseason, noting that he "has a sound lefthanded stroke, uses his hands well at the plate and consistently barrels balls while showing a good eye for the strike zone."
Binelas, for his part, was drafted in the third round over the summer. He hit .309/.390/.583 with nine home runs after failing to make good on a first-round projection entering the spring. He's considered to be a limited defender who will have to hit in order to have a big-league career. Baseball America had Binelas ranked as the 20th-best prospect in Milwaukee's system at the midseason mark.
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The Red Sox trading for Jackie Bradley Jr. was really about the prospects they also acquired - The Boston Globe
PETER ABRAHAM December 2 at 6:38 PM ET It’s rare when the Red Sox make a trade that comes as a complete surprise. By the end with Mookie Betts, it was just a matter of when and where. You knew Dave Dombrowski would give up whatever prospects it took to get Chris Sale in 2016. The 2014 fire sale engineered by Ben Cherington was as predictable as it gets. But the Red Sox and Brewers pulled off a legitimate shocker late Wednesday night, sending Jackie Bradley Jr. back to Boston along with two prospects for Hunter Renfroe. This would be the same Jackie Bradley Jr. the Sox showed zero interest in retaining when he was a free agent a year ago. How baseball evaluators view the prospects the Red Sox acquired in the Jackie Bradley Jr. trade The e-mail announcing the deal arrived at 11:30, 30 minutes before the lockout froze transactions. It required a second look. The Sox really had done this? They did, and here is why. It’s about the prospects. Alex Binelas, 21, was a third-round pick in June out of Louisville. The lefthanded hitter signed for $700,000 and put up a .973 OPS in 36 minor league games. Binelas needs work defensively. He’s a corner infielder for now but could end up in left field. But the power is what attracted the Red Sox.
“The bat is really his calling card,” chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom said. “A good hitter with really special power.” David Hamilton, 24, was an eighth-round pick in 2019 from the University of Texas. He’s a shortstop who got to Double A last season, then had a .916 OPS in 14 Arizona Fall League games. Hamilton ruptured his Achilles’ tendon in 2019 and missed that season. But he signed with the Brewers, finished his rehab, and played for an independent league team in the summer of 2020 during the pandemic. Hamilton stole 31 bases as a college sophomore and had 52 in 61 attempts last season in 101 minor league games. If baseball follows through with rule changes to bring more athleticism into the game, Hamilton could have a lot of value.
“Premium speed and a really good middle infielder. He plays a really good shortstop,” Bloom said. “Exciting player to add to our system.” Bradley is due $9.5 million in 2022 with an $8 million buyout for 2023 or a $12 million mutual option. Renfroe is projected to make $7.6 million next season. In essence, the Sox paid about $10 million to get Binelas and Hamilton. The Sox sold high on Renfroe. He had 31 homers, 96 RBIs, and an .816 OPS over a career-high 144 games last season.
PETER ABRAHAM December 2 at 6:38 PM ET It’s rare when the Red Sox make a trade that comes as a complete surprise. By the end with Mookie Betts, it was just a matter of when and where. You knew Dave Dombrowski would give up whatever prospects it took to get Chris Sale in 2016. The 2014 fire sale engineered by Ben Cherington was as predictable as it gets. But the Red Sox and Brewers pulled off a legitimate shocker late Wednesday night, sending Jackie Bradley Jr. back to Boston along with two prospects for Hunter Renfroe. This would be the same Jackie Bradley Jr. the Sox showed zero interest in retaining when he was a free agent a year ago. How baseball evaluators view the prospects the Red Sox acquired in the Jackie Bradley Jr. trade The e-mail announcing the deal arrived at 11:30, 30 minutes before the lockout froze transactions. It required a second look. The Sox really had done this? They did, and here is why. It’s about the prospects. Alex Binelas, 21, was a third-round pick in June out of Louisville. The lefthanded hitter signed for $700,000 and put up a .973 OPS in 36 minor league games. Binelas needs work defensively. He’s a corner infielder for now but could end up in left field. But the power is what attracted the Red Sox.
“The bat is really his calling card,” chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom said. “A good hitter with really special power.” David Hamilton, 24, was an eighth-round pick in 2019 from the University of Texas. He’s a shortstop who got to Double A last season, then had a .916 OPS in 14 Arizona Fall League games. Hamilton ruptured his Achilles’ tendon in 2019 and missed that season. But he signed with the Brewers, finished his rehab, and played for an independent league team in the summer of 2020 during the pandemic. Hamilton stole 31 bases as a college sophomore and had 52 in 61 attempts last season in 101 minor league games. If baseball follows through with rule changes to bring more athleticism into the game, Hamilton could have a lot of value.
“Premium speed and a really good middle infielder. He plays a really good shortstop,” Bloom said. “Exciting player to add to our system.” Bradley is due $9.5 million in 2022 with an $8 million buyout for 2023 or a $12 million mutual option. Renfroe is projected to make $7.6 million next season. In essence, the Sox paid about $10 million to get Binelas and Hamilton. The Sox sold high on Renfroe. He had 31 homers, 96 RBIs, and an .816 OPS over a career-high 144 games last season.
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How baseball evaluators view the prospects the Red Sox acquired in the Jackie Bradley Jr. trade - The Boston Globe
Alex Speier
Most of a half-dozen evaluators surveyed viewed Alex Binelas as the better prospect acquired by the Red Sox based on greater upside
Why did the Red Sox trade Hunter Renfroe after a career-best year and bring back Jackie Bradley Jr. — a more expensive player — after a career-worst year?
There are a few reasons. The Sox believe Bradley can rebound (“We all know that the ability that he has is better than what he showed this year,” said chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom) and that he can help upgrade what was a porous defense in 2022. Moreover, the Sox are likely to pursue another bat as a potential upgrade over Renfroe.
But a huge part of the move was the two prospects the Sox acquired from the Brewers: corner infielder Alex Binelas and middle infielder David Hamilton. In essence, the Sox used their financial clout to buy young talent.
So, who are the young players the Red Sox acquired?
Alex Binelas — third base/first base, 21 years old, 6 feet 3 inches, 225 pounds, bats left, throws right
Most of a half-dozen evaluators surveyed viewed Binelas as the better prospect based on greater upside. The Wisconsin native showed huge power in his amateur career at Louisville, creating a sense that he might emerge as a 2021 first-round pick.
But he suffered a fractured hamate bone at the end of his freshman year that required surgery at the start of his sophomore season, the pandemic-shortened 2020 campaign. When he got back on the field in 2021, he looked rusty, with swing-and-miss issues prompting a fall from first-round consideration.
But he found his groove as the season progressed and posted huge numbers over the final 27 games (.286/.377/.762 with 15 homers). On a team with Henry Davis, who went No. 1 overall to the Pirates, Louisville hitting coach Eric Snider offered a striking assessment.
“After probably 25 games in, I just thought for me personally — I see a lot of video and a lot of guys in college baseball — I just thought [Binelas] was the best hitter in the draft,” said Snider. “I just think he has a really good feel of the strike zone. I like his bat path. I like his loading action when he lands and he’s in a position to hit.”
Binelas showed the ability to launch long balls to all fields.
“He’s just scary, man,” said Boston College coach Mike Gambino.
While Binelas has good pitch recognition, his likely profile as a three-true-outcomes (home run, walk, strikeout) corner infielder (likely a first baseman) left him on the board for his hometown Brewers in the third round.
“I was shocked that he went in the third round,” said Snider. “I just always thought he was a first-rounder.”
Binelas had one of the best debuts of any 2021 draftee. After a brief stop in the Arizona Complex League, he went to the Low-A Carolina Mudcats, where he hit .309/.390/.583 with nine homers in 36 games.
While he has big league power, there’s a chance he’ll struggle to make contact against more advanced pitchers, in which case he’d struggle to forge a big league future. But he draws enough walks and remains sufficiently disciplined to convince many evaluators that he could become an everyday first baseman (perhaps with an occasional third base cameo) with power that scouts grade as a 60 or 70 on the 20-to-80 scale.
“Special power,” said Bloom.
Alex Speier
Most of a half-dozen evaluators surveyed viewed Alex Binelas as the better prospect acquired by the Red Sox based on greater upside
Why did the Red Sox trade Hunter Renfroe after a career-best year and bring back Jackie Bradley Jr. — a more expensive player — after a career-worst year?
There are a few reasons. The Sox believe Bradley can rebound (“We all know that the ability that he has is better than what he showed this year,” said chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom) and that he can help upgrade what was a porous defense in 2022. Moreover, the Sox are likely to pursue another bat as a potential upgrade over Renfroe.
But a huge part of the move was the two prospects the Sox acquired from the Brewers: corner infielder Alex Binelas and middle infielder David Hamilton. In essence, the Sox used their financial clout to buy young talent.
So, who are the young players the Red Sox acquired?
Alex Binelas — third base/first base, 21 years old, 6 feet 3 inches, 225 pounds, bats left, throws right
Most of a half-dozen evaluators surveyed viewed Binelas as the better prospect based on greater upside. The Wisconsin native showed huge power in his amateur career at Louisville, creating a sense that he might emerge as a 2021 first-round pick.
But he suffered a fractured hamate bone at the end of his freshman year that required surgery at the start of his sophomore season, the pandemic-shortened 2020 campaign. When he got back on the field in 2021, he looked rusty, with swing-and-miss issues prompting a fall from first-round consideration.
But he found his groove as the season progressed and posted huge numbers over the final 27 games (.286/.377/.762 with 15 homers). On a team with Henry Davis, who went No. 1 overall to the Pirates, Louisville hitting coach Eric Snider offered a striking assessment.
“After probably 25 games in, I just thought for me personally — I see a lot of video and a lot of guys in college baseball — I just thought [Binelas] was the best hitter in the draft,” said Snider. “I just think he has a really good feel of the strike zone. I like his bat path. I like his loading action when he lands and he’s in a position to hit.”
Binelas showed the ability to launch long balls to all fields.
“He’s just scary, man,” said Boston College coach Mike Gambino.
While Binelas has good pitch recognition, his likely profile as a three-true-outcomes (home run, walk, strikeout) corner infielder (likely a first baseman) left him on the board for his hometown Brewers in the third round.
“I was shocked that he went in the third round,” said Snider. “I just always thought he was a first-rounder.”
Binelas had one of the best debuts of any 2021 draftee. After a brief stop in the Arizona Complex League, he went to the Low-A Carolina Mudcats, where he hit .309/.390/.583 with nine homers in 36 games.
While he has big league power, there’s a chance he’ll struggle to make contact against more advanced pitchers, in which case he’d struggle to forge a big league future. But he draws enough walks and remains sufficiently disciplined to convince many evaluators that he could become an everyday first baseman (perhaps with an occasional third base cameo) with power that scouts grade as a 60 or 70 on the 20-to-80 scale.
“Special power,” said Bloom.
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EverettMike
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"In essence, the Sox used their financial clout to buy young talent."
f***ing cheapskate organization. Acting just like the Rays and Royals, two teams notorious for using their financial clout.
f***ing cheapskate organization. Acting just like the Rays and Royals, two teams notorious for using their financial clout.
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I’ll choose to believe they ran out of good baseballs after game 3 of the ALCS since it lakes me feel better
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One of the games premier talents. Have to get out to Tokyo to see him play against the best in the world before his career is done
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