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Osprey

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I finally watched the Blair Witch Project. My God this movie is bad. 3 morons running in the woods and the girl is screaming her brains out for half the movie. Is this this really considered a horror movie?

I saw it for the first time about 5-6 years ago, or 15 years after its release, and I was quite underwhelmed, as well. In 1999, it probably felt original and scary, though. Consider the state of horror in the 90s, after all, with most horror being either another bad franchise entry or horror comedy like Scream. There have been much better horror movies since, as well as so many "found footage" copycats, that 'Blair Witch' has lost almost all of its effect. It's too bad, especially since I imagine that it had a lot to do with re-popularizing horror, not just with audiences but with studios who saw how profitable it could be (I recall reading that 'Blair Witch' holds the record for greatest return on investment in film history with something like $250M made off of a $50K budget).
 
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I saw it for the first time about 5-6 years ago, or 15 years after its release, and I was quite underwhelmed, as well. In 1999, it probably felt original and scary, though. Consider the state of horror in the 90s, after all, with most horror being either another bad franchise entry or horror comedy like Scream. There have been much better horror movies since, as well as so many "found footage" copycats, that 'Blair Witch' has lost almost all of its effect. It's too bad, especially since I imagine that it had a lot to do with re-popularizing horror, not just with audiences but with studios who saw how profitable it could be (I recall reading that 'Blair Witch' holds the record for greatest return on investment in film history with something like $250M made off of a $50K budget).

For me, the age of the film won't stop me from watching a movie. I actually prefer older horror movies. I find most older horror movies are better than the one's today. I believe it was around 6 years ago I watched my first black and white for the first time.... Psycho. I absolutely loved the movie.
Blair Witch Project is just a horrible film. It's one of the worst movies I've ever watched. I don't how this movie grossed so much money and was hyped up to be what it was. Nothing in this movie happens other than running around in a forest and the other one screaming bloody mother.
 

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For me, the age of the film won't stop me from watching a movie. I actually prefer older horror movies. I find most older horror movies are better than the one's today. I believe it was around 6 years ago I watched my first black and white for the first time.... Psycho. I absolutely loved the movie.
Blair Witch Project is just a horrible film. It's one of the worst movies I've ever watched. I don't how this movie grossed so much money and was hyped up to be what it was. Nothing in this movie happens other than running around in a forest and the other one screaming bloody mother.

I think that you misunderstood me or I didn't explain myself well enough. I wasn't saying that it's a good movie that just doesn't hold up because it's old. The fact that it doesn't hold up suggests that it can't be very good, so we agree there. I was just giving some of the context that you're looking for to understand why it had the impact that it did, anyways.
 
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For me, the age of the film won't stop me from watching a movie. I actually prefer older horror movies. I find most older horror movies are better than the one's today. I believe it was around 6 years ago I watched my first black and white for the first time.... Psycho. I absolutely loved the movie.
Blair Witch Project is just a horrible film. It's one of the worst movies I've ever watched. I don't how this movie grossed so much money and was hyped up to be what it was. Nothing in this movie happens other than running around in a forest and the other one screaming bloody mother.
It came at a time when the internet was just picking up steam I think, which made it easier to remain a mystery before it was actually released. The whole found footage thing wasn't really a thing at all, and they did a fantastic job marketing the film at a time when it wasn't as easy for people to show and tell the world it was all a bunch of fake garbage.

Brilliantly done from a behind the scenes point of view. Because of the time it was released I don't think it was horrible. It doesn't really hold any of that magic anymore though because the found footage trope was driven into the ground by anyone and everyone that wanted to make a scary movie. But this is where it started, which is why it was such a big deal. Ahead.of the curve so to speak.
 

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I love the BWP and have fond memories of it, a lot due to the fact I was naive and actually thought it was real hah


Finally finished out the Jaws franchise last night and I cannot believe how bad the least one is…I thought people were overreacting but no, not at all. It is that bad.

I find myself constantly putting on the Never Sleep Again and Crystal Lake Memory documentaries and if you haven’t seen them I highly suggest In Search of Darkness 1 and 2, which focuses exclusively on 80’s horror
 

Pranzo Oltranzista

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But this is where it started, which is why it was such a big deal. Ahead.of the curve so to speak.

Might want to check out C'est arrivé près de chez vous and, well, Cannibal Holocaust. I saw Blair Witch when it came out and hated it right off the bat - there's nothing scary about a pile of rocks, the only relatively scary imagery was taken from Don't Look Now, the rest was just a cleverly made student film.
 

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Might want to check out C'est arrivé près de chez vous and, well, Cannibal Holocaust. I saw Blair Witch when it came out and hated it right off the bat - there's nothing scary about a pile of rocks, the only relatively scary imagery was taken from Don't Look Now, the rest was just a cleverly made student film.
Cannibal Holocaust was something else, lol.

I don't think Blair Witch was ever scary, really. The idea of it is unsettling. But on a whole they just did a really good job of marketing their film given the times. Without the internet to spoil everything instantly, the found footage thing was pretty cool I thought. Something unsettling about not only getting lost in the woods but being stalked by something unseen, at least for me. But scary, definitely not.
 

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Watching Return of the Living Dead 2 for first time in a few years (Its on Starz right now)..

This is the altered version with shitty soundtrack inserted.. God damn the soundtrack makes several once effective scenes terrible

Here is example
Original Soundtrack


Altered Soundtrack


Its always amazing how soundtrack/music can make scenes/films better or more effective

I bought the Shout Factory Blu Ray a few years back when it came out with restored original soundtrack thankfully so if I desire to watch original version I can going forward

Not that its a great movie (It was disappointment compared to first , And many prefer 3 over it) but its still a passable film due to good zombie effects , likeable cast and occasional good scene

Still went too far into slapstick comedy , silly comedy , etc which is what lead it to be lowly regarded by ROTLD fans for many years. Its gained a better overall reputation thru time especially after horrific parts 4 and 5 came out but its still a far lesser film then original

I have the book about Return of the Living Dead series and it reveals the general reasons it didn't work overall

That is very good book to read and also explains how parts 4 and 5 came to be and why they are so awful

In end ROTLD 2 still holds a special place in my horror fandom simply because it was one of the first horror VHS i owned
 
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Really? I admit I haven't seen 2 in a long while, but 3 is very bad...

I've never seen Necropolis and Rave to the Grave, never thought they were considered true sequels to the first trilogy. Is there a narrative link?

I enjoyed part 3 for what it was. It is not a great film but like 2nd to me it has its merits and I liked the Wayne Toth zombie effects which were deliberately made to be a bit different from original

As for parts 4 and 5 they probably would not have been good but originally William Butler and other co-writer would have at least had connections to original 3 flicks in script and zombies would have been the same ole Trioxin zombies that would be impervious to head shots , etc

The original deals fell thru and when a studio eventually picked up films it was a shitty studio that filmed things in Romania and specialized in back to back cheap horror sequels

Tom Fox (Producer of originals) died and the studio essentially iced out Butler and other writer and then changed things like making Trioxin zombies easy to kill and essentially didn't care about previous films , etc

God they are terrible... Truly awful films that likely killed ROTLD franchise forever

For fans
Part I and III are on HBO Max , Part II is on Starz/Direct TV

The god awful part 4 (Necropolis) is on Tubi/Roku/Plex while god awful part 5 (Rave to the Grave) is on Roku/Plex
 
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Pranzo Oltranzista

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Ha, I could definitely see how it’s not for everybody

I just thought it was dumb and trying way too hard for the "shock value", while maintaining its mainstream status. It only had steam because of the 'New French Extremism', and its horror wave opened with Haute Tension - and it might just be the least interesting film of the whole lot. And there was some pretty bad stuff coming out of that.
 

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Watching Return of the Living Dead 2 for first time in a few years (Its on Starz right now)..

This is the altered version with shitty soundtrack inserted.. God damn the soundtrack makes several once effective scenes terrible

Here is example
Original Soundtrack

I watched it for the first time last year and the soundtrack is one of the things that I liked best about it. Based on the two clips that you provided, I definitely watched it with the original soundtrack, which is a relief. You had me worried for a minute.
Not that its a great movie (It was disappointment compared to first , And many prefer 3 over it) but its still a passable film due to good zombie effects , likeable cast and occasional good scene

Hmm. I wonder why I didn't watch the third one last year, as well. Maybe it was the mediocre reviews. I suppose that I should watch that.
 
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I watched Martyrs (2008) for the first time today, I thought it was good but in a jaw dropping uncomfortable way kinda like midsommar. Hard to put a number grade on a movie like that.

It's funny that you should say that because the score that I gave it earlier this year was "?/10" and my "review" was even more concise than yours. The range of impressions is interesting. Pranzo hates it, kihei liked it and you and I are both confused about how we feel about it. :laugh:
 
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Hmm. I wonder why I didn't watch the third one last year, as well. Maybe it was the mediocre reviews. I suppose that I should watch that.

I say give it a shot and decide how you feel about it

Many didn't like it (Dont like it) because it does away with comedy of first films and also the Romeo/Juliet like storyline

But to me it is still entertaining film with good effects , some decent acting (Naturally some weak as well) and I didn't mind the Romeo/Juliet storyline which IMO works within this film fine

Its the tone shift that many people hated but for some that were disappointed by 2's jump too deep into comedy it is more enjoyable

Its the last ROTLD worth a damn because as I stated parts 4 and 5 are absolute trash
 

Osprey

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I say give it a shot and decide how you feel about it

I just watched the first few minutes and realized that I did see it last year. I simply forgot because the change in direction makes it feel like it's not connected to the first two. The comedy is what I liked about the first two, so I didn't like the 3rd, sorry to say. I can see how it might hit the spot if you're in particular mood, though.
 

Pranzo Oltranzista

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I just watched the first few minutes and realized that I did see it last year. I simply forgot because the change in direction makes it feel like it's not connected to the first two. The comedy is what I liked about the first two, so I didn't like the 3rd, sorry to say. I can see how it might hit the spot if you're in particular mood, though.

Yuzna made 2 great tongue-in-cheek horror films when he was trying to do films à la Stuart Gordon, but it was short lived and only did terrible crap after that (I'm ready to give his Silent Night film another chance, but nothing that came afterwards was worth anything). Even as a producer, I don't think he's done anything interesting except the Gordon flicks.
 

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The talk about Martyrs reminded me that I needed a break after it and put off watching another French horror, Inside. I watched that tonight and I see why it gets put near the top of the list of extreme horror movies. It's really violent, yet effective. Here's my review:

Movies: - Last Movie You Watched and Rate It | Cinema at the End of the World Edition
I liked Inside too, I like gory movies (I’m weird) and that one might take the cake of the most gory movie I’ve watched. Not a ton going on in the plot but entertaining from start to finish.
 
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