Speculation: Hoglander Mega Thread: Caps, Pens and CBJ interested

[RickyLafleur]

Didn't they just re-sign Hoglander last year? I wouldn't give up on him, he's a very solid and versatile winger who can move up or down the lineup. I still think he has a couple 65pt seasons in him.

You think he's going to more than double his current career high in points? Unlikely unless he plays a full season on a top line with a strong playmaker.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Fair enough

the thread we posted in has now been merged with the OG thread

 

[DRAGO 18]

Boy is he ever in the doghouse

 

[Empoleon8771]

I wonder if St. Ivany and a pick for Hoglander could be more appealing for Vancouver. He’s a RHD with good size but hasn’t really had a great year this year. I think he’s more of a future #5/6 but he’d likely play now for Vancouver (assuming he’s playing well) and would be a good stylistic complement for Brannstrom.

He’s also on a nice contract with 2.5 years left at dirt cheap.

 

[Rowlet]

I wonder if St. Ivany and a pick for Hoglander could be more appealing for Vancouver. He’s a RHD with good size but hasn’t really had a great year this year. I think he’s more of a future #5/6 but he’d likely play now for Vancouver (assuming he’s playing well) and would be a good stylistic complement for Brannstrom.

He’s also on a nice contract with 2.5 years left at dirt cheap.

The Canucks have a lot of 6/7 guys, the team desperately needs someone more stable than that, at least the level of Pettersson or Fowler or both.

 

[Johnsie19]

People keep going on about how Hoglander is in Tocchet's doghouse and how he doesn't like Hoglander. Why do you think that is? Its not because Tocchet is unprofessional. It's because of the reasons I listed. . Hoglandrr is poor defensively and not skilled enough to be in the top y. If he was he would have seen topb6 duty while Boeser and Miller were out.

I think this is oversimplified. He's a young player and Tocchet is a very strict coach who is very serious about playing the right way. So yes if he has to sit him to teach him then it's worth it. Saying he's not skilled enough to play top 6 isn't right either though. He definitely is, he played a decent amount of top 6 last yr even. Which he earned as he made his way up from the 4th line.

What we are seeing from Hoglander is growing pains in my opinion. There are at least 10 maybe 15 teams he could easily slot into a top 6 roll a score points. The offensive talent is there without question.

The question is can he improve enough defensively to warrant playing consistently in the top 6, I think he probably can. And that is where is value is.

As fans we just think oh he did that on that team, just slot him on my team and he'll do the same but of course JT Miller couldn't hold down a top 6 role before he came to Vancouver too, and we know what he's done since. And before you flip out Hoglander isn't Miller, I agree, I'm just highlighting how much of a difference opportunity and surroundings can make.

 

[Fatass]

I think this is oversimplified. He's a young player and Tocchet is a very strict coach who is very serious about playing the right way. So yes if he has to sit him to teach him then it's worth it. Saying he's not skilled enough to play top 6 isn't right either though. He definitely is, he played a decent amount of top 6 last yr even. Which he earned as he made his way up from the 4th line.

What we are seeing from Hoglander is growing pains in my opinion. There are at least 10 maybe 15 teams he could easily slot into a top 6 roll a score points. The offensive talent is there without question.

The question is can he improve enough defensively to warrant playing consistently in the top 6, I think he probably can. And that is where is value is.

As fans we just think oh he did that on that team, just slot him on my team and he'll do the same but of course JT Miller couldn't hold down a top 6 role before he came to Vancouver too, and we know what he's done since. And before you flip out Hoglander isn't Miller, I agree, I'm just highlighting how much of a difference opportunity and surroundings can make.

I know the Canucks would need to add but Dach is struggling in Montreal too. Maybe a change of scenery for both players? Hoglander with St. Louis might be ideal to get the player going. And Dach might to better in the defence first Tocchet system.
Hoglander + what though?

 

[SEALBound]

Boy is he ever in the doghouse

Yeah Tocc-sy! Tank that value!

 

[LeafChief]

Hoglander to Pitt makes a lot of sense, especially with how well Tomasino has looked there. Opportunity is available in Pitt right now.

 

[Johnsie19]

I know the Canucks would need to add but Dach is struggling in Montreal too. Maybe a change of scenery for both players? Hoglander with St. Louis might be ideal to get the player going. And Dach might to better in the defence first Tocchet system.
Hoglander + what though?

I like Dach. Obviously he's had a nightmare stretch of injuries and doesn't seem like he's getting back. In isolation it could a good start to a trade but I think the Canucks need to use Hoglander + 1st + to get a top 4 dman.

Hoglander to Pitt makes a lot of sense, especially with how well Tomasino has looked there. Opportunity is available in Pitt right now.

I'm thinking Hoglander + 2nd Marcus Pettersson maybe. Or Maybe Hoglander + 3rd + b prospect.

 

[Fatass]

I like Dach. Obviously he's had a nightmare stretch of injuries and doesn't seem like he's getting back. In isolation it could a good start to a trade but I think the Canucks need to use Hoglander + 1st + to get a top 4 dman.


I'm thinking Hoglander + 2nd Marcus Pettersson maybe. Or Maybe Hoglander + 3rd + b prospect.

Good point. I just really like Dach. Big, skilled, aggressive, right shot centre. I think he’d be really good under Tocchet’s strict structure.

 

[Qwijibo]

Good point. I just really like Dach. Big, skilled, aggressive, right shot centre. I think he’d be really good under Tocchet’s strict structure.

Dach is still getting his game back after missing the entire seadon last year. Dach finding his game as a 2C is much more valuable to Montreal than another undersized winger (Hoglander) potentially finding his game. I think Montreal is going to be patient with Dach

 

[Fatass]

Dach is still getting his game back after missing the entire seadon last year. Dach finding his game as a 2C is much more valuable to Montreal than another undersized winger (Hoglander) potentially finding his game. I think Montreal is going to be patient with Dach

And they should. It’s not easy finding players like Dach to fill the 2C role. But when a club has really good players, other teams fans covet them. And I’ve liked Dach since junior. Can’t teach what he’s got.

 

[wintersej]

Price for Zadorov was 3rd and 5th. Pettersson would have very similar value, or slightly lower.

We all know that Zadorov’s return was severely muted because we were still in flat cap land and Calgary wouldn’t retain. Come on. You know this. Just like Vancouver fans know that Hoglander isn’t going to shoot 20% every year. I hate it when people try to play this used car salesmen BS on here instead of having frank conversations.

 

[wintersej]

From the top rope-

BOS Receives:
LW Nils Hoglander ($3M cap hit thru 2027-28 season)
C Aatu Räty ($836K cap hit, pending RFA)
RD Vincent Desharnais ($2M cap hit thru 2025-26 season)
Canucks 2025 2nd round pick

VAN Receives:
C Trent Frederic ($2.3M cap hit, pending RFA)
RD Brandon Carlo ($4.1M cap hit thru 2026-27)

Hoglander, Desharnais, 1st for Carlo

 

[Turin]

Kyle I'm ready

 

[biturbo19]

Hoglander, Desharnais, 1st for Carlo

I don't mind this. Carlo's somewhat spotty injury history is a bit of a concern, but i don't mind that it'd be more than just a bandaid rental that they can't afford to re-sign. Moving Desharnais salary back the other way also makes Carlo's price pragmatically pretty palatable.

He's also not really the "puck-mover" i think a lot of Canucks fans are hoping for. But he seems like the type who would fit pretty well in Tocchet's system. The ability to eat some solid PK minutes would also be really handy.

 

[wintersej]

I don't mind this. Carlo's somewhat spotty injury history is a bit of a concern, but i don't mind that it'd be more than just a bandaid rental that they can't afford to re-sign. Moving Desharnais salary back the other way also makes Carlo's price pragmatically pretty palatable.

He's also not really the "puck-mover" i think a lot of Canucks fans are hoping for. But he seems like the type who would fit pretty well in Tocchet's system. The ability to eat some solid PK minutes would also be really handy.

A puck mover he is not. But he makes everyone partner he plays with better. From a Boston POV, I’m not sure it would be well received by other fans. Bruins moving out Carlo without actually addressing their need for a *true* top six winger Isn’t great. Really only works if the Bruins can then also move Frederic for picks and then push all those picks in a pile for the forward. At that point, maybe finding a 1:1 trade with Carlo is easier even though those trades are historically hard.

Simpler deal would be Frederic straight up, but I think that already came up earlier in the thread. I suspect that Frederic would have a higher salary than Hoglander going forward.

 

[elitepete]

If it's the Penguins, it would almost assuredly be Pettersson for Hoglander and futures. I'm just curious what "futures" would mean in that deal, it's tough to pin down Hoglander's value.

I figure it would either be Hoglander and a 1st or Hoglander, a prospect like Mynio and a 2nd for Pettersson. I think it would probably have to include double retention.

lmfao.

A puck mover he is not. But he makes everyone partner he plays with better. From a Boston POV, I’m not sure it would be well received by other fans. Bruins moving out Carlo without actually addressing their need for a *true* top six winger Isn’t great. Really only works if the Bruins can then also move Frederic for picks and then push all those picks in a pile for the forward. At that point, maybe finding a 1:1 trade with Carlo is easier even though those trades are historically hard.

Simpler deal would be Frederic straight up, but I think that already came up earlier in the thread. I suspect that Frederic would have a higher salary than Hoglander going forward.

Miller+Myers for Lindholm+Carlo

 

[Nucker42]

We all know that Zadorov’s return was severely muted because we were still in flat cap land and Calgary wouldn’t retain. Come on. You know this. Just like Vancouver fans know that Hoglander isn’t going to shoot 20% every year. I hate it when people try to play this used car salesmen BS on here instead of having frank conversations.

Not sure isn’t having a frank conversation. Is that because you and I have a different opinion? Because neither is a fact just so we’re on the same page.

Hoglander was never going to shoot 20% again but he’s also playing very poor right now. That has nothing to do with his shooting percentage. I doubt as many insiders and reports would be coming out if he don’t carry value.

As for Zadorov, I don’t think the flat cap was a Hughes contributor. You know that. It was much more related to the fact the Canucks made the trade so early in the year before the market went crazy.

I’m not trying to sell anything, I don’t have any impact on anything and this is a hockey board to chat. It’s okay to have different opinions with labelling someone a used car salesman.

 

[wintersej]

lmfao.


Miller+Myers for Lindholm+Carlo

I think you could get more out of Boston. I assume Elias, right?

 

[UrbanImpact]

Been reported that the Canucks are going to wait till at least JT Miller gets back. They are also trying to buy time for Dakota Joshua to get back on pace with the team as he has been struggling to keep up after missing training camp and the first 20 games of the season. Canucks probably want to see whether they want to move Hoglander for another Forward or for a Dman.

Spots in my opinion that Hoglander can be used as part of the trade to fill the following holes/upgrade

Suter- Miller- Boeser
Debrusk-EP40-xxx
Joshua- Bleuger-Garland
Heinen-Raty-Sherwood

Hughes-Hronek
Soucy-xxx
xxx- Myers

 

[BHD]

So, why is his name out there? I thought he was a good player to have around.

 

[Warh1ppy]

Heard Cozens is available and.....

 

[Ryder71]

I like Dach. Obviously he's had a nightmare stretch of injuries and doesn't seem like he's getting back. In isolation it could a good start to a trade but I think the Canucks need to use Hoglander + 1st + to get a top 4 dman.


I'm thinking Hoglander + 2nd Marcus Pettersson maybe. Or Maybe Hoglander + 3rd + b prospect.

HOG + '25 2hd and D Elias Petts For Marcus Petts 40% retention and DOC.

Possibly Mynio in place of EP, but he's further away so...