Rumor: Hoglander “ Get The Trade Watch Going” - Dhaliwal

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That's not a completely unfair take either. To be fair, I do think we're getting a little outside of the tread title here. Penguins could still trade for Hoglander and the Canucks could still bring in a dman in moves independent of each other.

Hoglander to the Pens for a 3rd, 1st+3rd+Pettersson to NYI for Dobson.


Dman isnt also the only need the Canucks have. 3C upgrade is probably something they are looking at as well. Their C depth in general especially with the uncertainty of JT Miller at the moment.

Hoglander might get traded for a Forward and then Canucks will use other assets to obtain that top 4 D.

Dhalliwal name dropped Sillinger.
 

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Sillinger is a great bottom 6 player


Agreed and with the ability to play 2C for a bit if needed. Would love him at 3C for the Canucks and push Bleuger down to 4C.

JT Miller
Pettersson
Sillinger
Bleuger

That would be an excellent Centre core.


What do you think it would cost to get Sillinger?
 

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Agreed and with the ability to play 2C for a bit if needed. Would love him at 3C for the Canucks and push Bleuger down to 4C.

JT Miller
Pettersson
Sillinger
Bleuger

That would be an excellent Centre core.


What do you think it would cost to get Sillinger?
At this point, personally, I’m against trading him as we’re finally shaping up to have a functional core where Sillinger becomes a key piece in the bottom 6.

At the same time I know many CBJ fans are interested in Hoglander, so some deal might be made, perhaps with a pick and prospect package.

Would Columbus actually trade Sillinger for Hoglander? I wasn’t dIsparaging Sillinger, I was saying Dhali is a fool for thinking Hoglander holds that kind of value.
I would definitely not do that trade, as we seem to be in a good shape with left handed wingers.
 
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Would Columbus actually trade Sillinger for Hoglander? I wasn’t dIsparaging Sillinger, I was saying Dhali is a fool for thinking Hoglander holds that kind of value.

They have Fantili, Kent Johnson, Monahan down the middle i believe....

Drafted Cayden Lindstrom, and Gavin Brindley, both Cs as well.

I dont think Sillinger is untouchable at all in CBJ.

He holds more value than Hoglander so Canucks would add but i dont think it would be astronomically more especially considering how cost controlled Hoglander is.
 
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They have Fantili, Kent Johnson, Monahan down the middle i believe....

Drafted Cayden Lindstrom, and Gavin Brindley, both Cs as well.

I dont think Sillinger is untouchable at all in CBJ.

He holds more value than Hoglander so Canucks would add but i dont think it would be astronomically more especially considering how cost controlled Hoglander is.
Kent Johnson is playing wing. Just how we would love to have Sillinger as a great 3rd line center, so would Columbus. Right now, he’s 3rd in their forward group in minutes/game averaging over 18 minutes. It makes no sense.
 

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IF we retain we should get Hoglander, a '25 2hd and maybe Mynio. For MP at say 40% retention.
I think that is pretty reasonable for both teams. Hoglander has had a rough start, but has proven her can produce in the NHL. Mynio has been solid since we drafted him, and keeps elevating his game. We never pick in the second round, so that makes sense here. MP is exactly what we need.
 
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Pettersson is better than Zadorov and will come at a cheaper hit if the Penguins retain.

If not, then go find another Pettersson for a 3rd and a 5th if that's all you want to spend.

CBJ want a 1st for Provorov. I would suggest he and Pettersson at the top rental dmen available so Pettersson's value should be similar-ish to that.
Depends on whether or not the Kings opt to attempt to retain Gavrikov. But yeah, I could see Petterson potentially getting a late 1st.
 

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Is he? Statistically and the eye test might suggest Zadorov is actually better. Not seeing it.
I agree with you. Zadorov is better. I just think you'll pay the penguins more because he's not a distressed asset like Zadorov was. You guys won the Zadorov trade by miles. Should have been a 2nd and 3rd.
 
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Dman isnt also the only need the Canucks have. 3C upgrade is probably something they are looking at as well. Their C depth in general especially with the uncertainty of JT Miller at the moment.

Hoglander might get traded for a Forward and then Canucks will use other assets to obtain that top 4 D.

Dhalliwal name dropped Sillinger.
Upgrading the 3C also moves Puis Suter back onto the Wing with Miller and Boeser. I thought he looked very good with those two.
 

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Vincent Iorio is an interesting name out of the caps.

Local BC kid. I dont think he would be a current upgrade on Myers, Desharnais or Branstrom though but can potentially be a nice prospect to add to the cupboard.

Can Caps fan elaborate more on him and maybe give a scouting report.
But where does hoglander fit in with Washington?
 

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Okay what are these stats that suggest Zadorov is better?

Zadorov is a fringe #4/5 who's best suited in a 3rd pair role. Pettersson's a #3 that can be a defensive complement to a #1 OFD or make half of a very good 2nd pair.
Yet another Empoleon post that makes me cringe. Zadorov was a #5 for the Flames because they had 4 #2 defensemen. Pettersson is a 3 for a team with no top 4 guys.
 

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i dont get why people keep posting about the Canucks needing an upgrade at the C position

Suter has 14 points in 22 games...how many non-top6 C's are producing as much?
Blueger is also 10 points in 23 games which is like a 36 point pace.. He's also the Center who had the chemistry with Garland / Joshua.
Center is a position of strength for Van.... an upgrade would be nice but it is no where NEAR as important as a second pairing D who can chew thru 20 minutes a night.
 

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Would Columbus actually trade Sillinger for Hoglander? I wasn’t dIsparaging Sillinger, I was saying Dhali is a fool for thinking Hoglander holds that kind of value.
He's not untouchable, but he's doing much better this year, so I'd be surprised if he gets moved - particularly for a buy-low asset like what Hoglander is right now.
 

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He's also looked very good at 3C though
Agreed, he has been excellent there too. If we get someone to free Suter up from the 3rd line, we then improve our top line as well. However it shakes out, I think we want to add one more C to the lineup, as it gets pretty thin if anyone goes down. Raty has been good, but I'd rather see him play big minutes in Abby rather than 10 mins a night with the Canucks.
 

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i dont get why people keep posting about the Canucks needing an upgrade at the C position

Suter has 14 points in 22 games...how many non-top6 C's are producing as much?
Blueger is also 10 points in 23 games which is like a 36 point pace.. He's also the Center who had the chemistry with Garland / Joshua.
Center is a position of strength for Van.... an upgrade would be nice but it is no where NEAR as important as a second pairing D who can chew thru 20 minutes a night.

It's not because the centers are bad, it's that all 5 of them shoot left and Tocchet always wants a righty on the roster for face-offs.
 

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Dman isnt also the only need the Canucks have. 3C upgrade is probably something they are looking at as well. Their C depth in general especially with the uncertainty of JT Miller at the moment.

Hoglander might get traded for a Forward and then Canucks will use other assets to obtain that top 4 D.

Dhalliwal name dropped Sillinger.
I would imagine they will wait as long as possible before adding a center unless Miller has told them he's out long-term (read: the rest of the season). I could see Hoglander out for a dman soon (whether it's one or two transactions) and then a fill-in center later.

One thing that concerns me for the Canucks is what assets they have to use to get the center. Say it's Sillinger, he won't be cheap. I think whatever assets you get for Hoglander, they use that equivalent to get the dman. So what do they use to get Sillinger (or similar)? That's a Wallander or Lekkerimaki level of assets for him.

I might be hitting up Nashville on Sissons or Seattle on Gourde over Sillinger.
 

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Pettersson is better than Zadorov and will come at a cheaper hit if the Penguins retain.

If not, then go find another Pettersson for a 3rd and a 5th if that's all you want to spend.

CBJ want a 1st for Provorov. I would suggest he and Pettersson at the top rental dmen available so Pettersson's value should be similar-ish to that.

Yeah. Pettersson is gonna cost a lot more than what was offered there. He's clearly among the top few "rental" defencemen potentially available. I think he's also seen as clearly better than Zadorov was when the Canucks acquired him on the cheap. I think they're probably conflating what Zaddy was for the Canucks and what he got on the open market in the Summer for it, with what his "value" was at the time of that trade. It was also a far more generous trade market around last year's deadline, with a lot more quality potentially available.

I'd have Pettersson behind Provorov in value, but not by nearly as much as that poster did.

Trent Frederic for Hoglander? Fills your 3C need, and a player Tochett would love. Another Bruin too, which should fit in well in the room.

Frederic has played mostly LW for Boston (due to Bergeron, Krejci, Coyle being down the middle), but is a career center and played center for Boston down the stretch and in the playoffs last year. Monty wanted him to play there this year but they moved Zacha back to C which meant Zacha, Lindholm, Coyle down the middle.

I suggested this deal on the Bruins board a couple days ago, citing that Hoglander could help inject some skill into Boston's middle6, but Bruins fans didn't like it.

This is a kind of interesting idea. Frederic being a UFA likely looking for a "cash in" deal this summer is a bit of a stumbling block though. I'm also not totally sure i like him as a Center rather than as a Winger, where it becomes a bit of a lateral move. But i do like him, and think he'd potentially be a real "Tocchet player".

If they confidently think they could get him signed to a less than Hoglander extension, i'd think about it for sure. But i'm not sure that's going to be the case.



From Boston's end though, i'm not sure you'd get what you're expecting in Hoglander tbh. He's "skilled", but in a very specific little niche. He doesn't see the ice well, pretty poor playmaker, constantly out of sync with linemates...but he's dirty darting quick in short areas around the net and has kind of filthy hands "in a phone booth" and finish around the net. But that's mostly the extent of his "skill".


At this point, personally, I’m against trading him as we’re finally shaping up to have a functional core where Sillinger becomes a key piece in the bottom 6.

At the same time I know many CBJ fans are interested in Hoglander, so some deal might be made, perhaps with a pick and prospect package.


I would definitely not do that trade, as we seem to be in a good shape with left handed wingers.

Probably irrelevant to this point, as he's still going to be a LH shooter no matter what, but Hoglander has shown that he can play either wing more or less equally effectively. Especially since defensively, he seems equally weak at the things where handedness matters, whichever wing he plays on.
 

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Agreed and with the ability to play 2C for a bit if needed. Would love him at 3C for the Canucks and push Bleuger down to 4C.

JT Miller
Pettersson
Sillinger
Bleuger

That would be an excellent Centre core.


What do you think it would cost to get Sillinger?

Suter can fill in as the 3C, he has been excellent this year. Raty has also been very good in a bottom line role and you have to think will grow into a 3C based on his current trajectory

The team should focus on getting another D and not more forwards
 

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