Rumor: Hoglander “ Get The Trade Watch Going” - Dhaliwal

[Qwijibo]

Elliotte Friedmann disagrees, he says the extra years make him more attractive to other GMs.

I guess we'll see. I see a defensively weak, undersized, overpaid bottom 6 winger who rode an unrepeatable shooting percentage to an overpayment

 

[Rowlet]

I guess we'll see. I see a defensively weak, undersized, overpaid repaid bottom 6 winger who rode an unrepeatable shooting percentage to an overpayment

Same, but according to Friedmann, NHL GMs disagree.

 

[Qwijibo]

Same, but according to Friedmann, NHL GMs disagree.

Just because gm's are interested it doesn't mean they're willing to give up much for him. They may even look for retention (which Vancouver obviously wouldn't do)

 

[Turin]

Same, but according to Friedmann, NHL GMs disagree.

No, both can be true. "We like that he's signed in case he rebounds, but his value now is low" is likely exactly what GMs are thinking.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Why should Hoglanders value be any higher than what Tomasino returned? Both are 23 and struggled a lot this season. Tomasino has a better PPG than Hoglander but Hoglander had the 20 goal season last year

 

[Nucker42]

Why should Hoglanders value be any higher than what Tomasino returned? Both are 23 and struggled a lot this season. Tomasino has a better PPG than Hoglander but Hoglander had the 20 goal season last year

Hoglander had 24 even strength goals last year? I’d that a real question?

 

[Turin]

Hoglander had 24 even strength goals last year? I’d that a real question?

If you take out the clear shooting% outlier, Tomasino and Hoglander have very similar pedigree and production. Hoglander will be worth more, obviously, given that he had that outlier, but in terms of true talent and ability I think these guys are extremely comparable.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I find it interesting that whenever the Canucks struggle Dhaliwal suddenly gets all these trade rumours.

Having flash back to the 80's in Edmonton when Glen Sather would send messages to his via either Terry Jones or Jim Matthieson to tell a player to get a move on. Both writer mentioned in different books they wrote of some of the stuff Sather did to play games with players

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

If you take out the clear shooting% outlier, Tomasino and Hoglander have very similar pedigree and production. Hoglander will be worth more, obviously, given that he had that outlier, but in terms of true talent and ability I think these guys are extremely comparable.

"If you take out the reality of what happened, my projections are actually quite relevant'.

 

[Turin]

"If you take out the reality of what happened, my projections are actually quite relevant'.

The reality is that Hoglander shot 20% and has struggled immediately after, and also did nothing in the playoffs. That shooting percentage is what separates him from the guy who was traded for a 4th round pick. I like the player, but if you look at his goals last season a ton were deflections. A similar thing happened with Tanner Jeannot in his rookie year.

 

[Breakers]

Hoglander rides a unicycle and juggles to warm up before games

Tomasino doesn’t

Advantage Hoglander

 

[Turin]

Hoglander rides a unicycle and juggles to warm up before games

Tomasino doesn’t

Advantage Hoglander

That's worth at least an extra 4th rounder I will give you that.

 

[MB3]

devils desperately need forward depth (especially young, cost controlled forward depth) and they are inordinately rich with d prospects. The problem is, none of the devils d prospects are similar in value. Casey, Nemec and Saliyev are all worth way more than Hoglander, but nobody else in the system is worth nearly enough.

 

[Blue and Green]

I guess we'll see. I see a defensively weak, undersized, overpaid bottom 6 winger who rode an unrepeatable shooting percentage to an overpayment

If he'd had a case for it being repeatable, he would've gotten more than 3x3. He was in the top 33 players in the league for even-strength goals. The likelihood of a regression was factored into the deal. His longer term stats fit the 3x3 and he's also a decent forechecker. His team doesn't get caved in when he's on the ice.

 

[nergish]

24 goals last year, all at even strength. Not good though. Excellent insight.

Honestly, though! GMs will convince themselves a guy who scored 17 once like 3 years prior is a "20-goal scorer". He's a young 24-goal scorer who goes into hard areas like a wild man. The guy has puck skills.

Is he a high end trade chip? No, not really. But this is the kind of project more than a few GMs would like to take on.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Call me pessimistic but I'm honestly skeptical that Pettersson brings back a 1st, unless a team gets really desperate and there are no other alternatives. His type of defensemen (good positional DFD without physicality) tend to not get crazily highly valued when they get moved. Look at Marino when he was moved to Utah over the off-season, 2 2nds isn't bad but it's also not anything too crazy either.

It's not impossible that something like Hoglander and a 1st for Pettersson ends up a deal, but I think Pettersson's value is closer to what Tanev brought back last year (Grushnikov and a 2nd). If Pettersson ends up going to Vancouver, I figure it would be something like:

Penguins get Hoglander, Mynio and a 2025 2nd and retain $2 million on Pettersson
Hawks get a 2025 5th from Vancouver and retain $1 million on Pettersson
Canucks get Pettersson at $1 million

I see no reason for Hawks to waste a retention slot as 3rd party in trade just for a 5th round pick

Hawks have

2 1sts
2 2nds
2 4ths
6th
7th

In this years draft

They have no need to add a 5th round pick

If you want Hawks to retain that would require giving Hawks something of actual value

 

[biturbo19]

Many other Canucks fans wouldn't because Graves is complete dog shit.

I mean, it's possible. The majority of his career, that's been true. But i still think he's been a victim of circumstances who has actually grown as a player. And is also exactly the sort of Zaddy-esque defenceman, or Myers type who actually seems to really thrive under this current Canucks coaching staff.

I still stand by the idea that the problem with Graves in Pittsburgh isn't so much him specifically...it's that he is a piss poor fit with either of their top two aggressive offensive-minded RHD.


The contract is obviously an enormous risk though. But it runs the same length as Hoglander's extension. Which is less "risky" but does still carry some potential liability if, like Graves...he can't find the right "fit" in a roster.

If you take out the clear shooting% outlier, Tomasino and Hoglander have very similar pedigree and production. Hoglander will be worth more, obviously, given that he had that outlier, but in terms of true talent and ability I think these guys are extremely comparable.

Ehhh...I think there are a lot of pretty clear differences that separate Hoggy and Tomato. Prime among them, is that Hoglander has never really lacked for "effort" and "try". He just sometimes tries hard at the wrong thing. They're really only kind of superficially similar.

 

[David71]

van should find a right handed centerman to win those d zone draws. dont need another lefty

 

[Brookbank]

Very big buy low potential here, Hoglander has all the talent needed to be successful, but his play away with the puck is lacking.

Hw lost the trust of Tochett, but should still get a good player in return

Trade away another one of Peteys friends. This seems dumb. Hopefully this is another one of those non trades. The same that happened to Miller , Boeser and Garlund.

Nobody cares about Hoglander, I don't get the hype. Small, expensive.

Nick Robertson is there for free.

Same even strength goals as Draisitle last year genius.

But yeah he sucks. I hope nobody gives the Canucks a good offer. It wouldn't be the first time the rest of the league was too dumb to buy low on a Canucks player

 

[Canucks LB]

I find it interesting that whenever the Canucks struggle Dhaliwal suddenly gets all these trade rumours.

Having flash back to the 80's in Edmonton when Glen Sather would send messages to his via either Terry Jones or Jim Matthieson to tell a player to get a move on. Both writer mentioned in different books they wrote of some of the stuff Sather did to play games with players

I don’t think you’ve looked at the standings, we’re struggling?

Also, Dhaliwal, friedman, weeks and servelli have all said Höglander is getting big interest

 

[Johnsie19]

Hoglander, 1st, 2nd has to be getting into the Andersson, Byram tier no?

 

[innitfam]

They're not trading Hoglander for a forward, they're trading him for a 3rd and the forward is included as a contract swap.

I doubt it but I guess we shall see

 

[Jumptheshark]

I don’t think you’ve looked at the standings, we’re struggling?

Also, Dhaliwal, friedman, weeks and servelli have all said Höglander is getting big interest

Article came out before the back to back wins

 

[Fjordy]

Hoglander, 1st, 2nd has to be getting into the Andersson, Byram tier no?

I can't speak for Flames fans, but it makes no sense for Sabres to make a deal like that.

 

[Canucks LB]

Article came out before the back to back wins

Fair enough