Hockey Cards

[The Kingslayer]

I believe it was 09/10 with the roller marks, with Tavares. 2007/08 also had a bunch of issues. I had a case (20 boxes) of blasters, where 1/2 of the YGs had the same rip at the top of the card. I complained to UD, who said they couldn't do anything, but then they through in a MacKinnon YG Canvas randomly into my next replacement....That graded a BGS 10, and is now worth a lot more than the YGs that were ripped.

2013/14 had a problem where the front was peeling off the canvas cards. That's been a bit of an ongoing problem.

I had a Grigorenko YG Canvas that had that issue. Does anyone have Svechnikovs YG? A few of mine has a horizontal lines across the card. Actually just noticed it the other day when I was changing the resealable bags.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

If you're referring to the Pinnacle B Team, this is one of the few insert sets that was iconic. Any iconic set will still have value today. Each card was one per three boxes so they were tough pulls. Several Score/Pinnacle subsets are like this: the first set of Check-Its, all of the Masks dufex sets, etc. Upper Deck has a bunch of these rare subsets that are valuable. The most valuable is the first set of Game Jerseys.

Yeah that's the set, it just surprises me given there were several other insert or subsets that year that were fairly limited in number but it seems like it was the only one that held value.

 

[blankall]

It felt a lot harder to pull Mackinnon lol. I legit bought tins, blasters hobby and it took forever and the first one I got was the Canvas YG. I was one of the lucky ones that I never pulled the pink blur one. The ones I pulled were the normal looking one. The Pink blur one still sells for a lot.

I pulled a MacKinnon YG in my first hobby box....then nothing.....then finally after like 30 blasters and tins, another. Then randomly bought a blaster at Toys R Us and a 3rd. I had the same difficulty with Stamkos, but then got 3 in 10 blasters. It's just random luck. For example this year, I only pulled one Jack Huges but 4 Quinn Hughes.

 

[Canadian Game]

I pulled a MacKinnon YG in my first hobby box....then nothing.....then finally after like 30 blasters and tins, another. Then randomly bought a blaster at Toys R Us and a 3rd. I had the same difficulty with Stamkos, but then got 3 in 10 blasters. It's just random luck. For example this year, I only pulled one Jack Huges but 4 Quinn Hughes.

Stamkos is the YG (of the top rookies) I had the best luck with. Our Toys R Us had a clearance bin of various hockey cards for a while and other collectible cards for $1 each. Series 1 still had 1:4 YG odds (like hobby boxes), but there were the toughest to find. L Whenever I was at our mall, I’d buy any Series 1 packs I could find. Ended up pulling 4 Stamkos YGs from the packs and opened around 50-75 packs. That horseshoe didn’t last much longer lol.

 

[Kcb12345]

As expected, no luck pulling McDavid's young guns card out of blaster boxes. Pulled 3 Jared McCann's though

 

[BostonBob]

Anybody have any opinions or personal stories about on-line Group Breaks ????

Anybody ????

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Awesome! Just scored one of the 8 remaining cards of the only full set I have been working on the last 15 years. 12 cards in the set numbered to 20 and they don't seem to come available often. This one a Tim Horton/20.

 

[CutOnDime97]

Anyone watch pack openings on YouTube? This guy is pretty entertaining:

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UClZW4yt0mevmLMeZrUZpR9w

 

[Kcb12345]

Anyone watch pack openings on YouTube? This guy is pretty entertaining:

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UClZW4yt0mevmLMeZrUZpR9w

Yep I watch him. I used to think he was annoying but now he's entertaining and is like the only person I've found on youtube that opens packs and actually knows something about the players and how to pronounce their names.

 

[CutOnDime97]

Yep I watch him. I used to think he was annoying but now he's entertaining and is like the only person I've found on youtube that opens packs and actually knows something about the players and how to pronounce their names.

Yeah he actually has crazy hockey knowledge and mixes in some humor and inside jokes. Good watch for sure.

 

[CutOnDime97]

@Kcb12345 also drop any other good channels here. Don't think I can get into the hobby of collecting cards but I'll live vicariously through others.

 

[Kcb12345]

@Kcb12345 also drop any other good channels here. Don't think I can get into the hobby of collecting cards but I'll live vicariously through others.

Cardsmith breaks is pretty good too. Not as much knowledge on hockey but if you like case openings, and a whole lot of em, they're the place to go. They have unboxings for every sport but a ton of hockey card videos too. I can't afford to go cracking open cases of this stuff but it's a lot of fun to watch rather than blowing my own money on it lol. Some insane pulls too and theyve been posting for years. Pretty much theyll open a few cases of each hockey card product. So tons of content to watch. I usually skip 5 seconds throughout the video to just see the hits and move on. Might have to search for their hockey card videos

https://www.youtube.com/c/CardsmithsBreaks

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Yep I watch him. I used to think he was annoying but now he's entertaining and is like the only person I've found on youtube that opens packs and actually knows something about the players and how to pronounce their names.

I know at the end of the day it doesn't matter but as an avid collector for many decades, I actually find it kind of insulting watching people who know nothing about hockey crack top end product. I still watch because I like to see what is in there, it's just on some level it bugs me watching stuff like that being opened by people that can't really appreciate it.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Anybody ????

I can't help unfortunately. Have thought about trying a few with some of the more expensive sets but any time I do the math, it just doesn't seem to be worth it to me. I think you'd have to very consistently attack it.

 

[Rorschach]

Yeah that's the set, it just surprises me given there were several other insert or subsets that year that were fairly limited in number but it seems like it was the only one that held value.

Not in 91-92. Pinnacle B Team, believe it or not, was the very first, limited best-of player insert set. Nowadays, almost every product has a best players or best rookies insert set.

90-91 had a 1 per pack insert set of the Central Red Army in OPC. But these inserts were printed more commonly than even base cards in the set. Upper Deck had the silver stereogram stickers featuring Hull, Gretzky, Messier and Yzerman in action. Neither are considered important now although the CRA set was hot back in 1991.

91-92 had UD with their first ever Hockey Heroes insert set featuring Brett Hull, 10 cards including the rarer header card, inserted at about 2 per box. Score had the Bobby Orr insert set, six cards inserted at 1 per 3 boxes. Both had longshot autos. UD also had the SP cards like Glasnost on Ice commemorative. And UD had the nine card hologram Award Winners, inserted at a couple per box, roughly, the successor of the 9 stereogram sticker set from the previous year. Pinnacle had the B Team best of set, about a dozen cards, one per three? boxes.

So at that time, there were few insert sets.

 

[Canadian Game]

Anybody ????

Group breaks are fun. It’s a great way to get all of the hits from your team rather than buy a while case. I’d suggest breaks which you buy a specific team slot. However there are group breaks which you can buy a randomized team slow (all 31 slots are sold and then randomized after). Some breakers also sell player slots, which is cheaper but the chances are also slimmer.

Transparency is the main thing. I enjoy breakers who have a good connection, lighting, camera, and make a point of showing everything on camera. I think the latter should be the basic expectation. Good breakers will open a case, pull the boxes out, show the case is empty, open the boxes, show the boxes are empty.

Personally I’ve enjoyed watching Rawscoe’s Sports Breaks on Facebook. He has 2 pages. The one is for the breaks, and he has Rawscoe’s Sport Collectibles for the store page. It’s a newer card shop in Peterborough and he has been a regular vendor at the Expo in Toronto for years. What I like most about his breaks is that he makes it fun. He doesn’t only get excited for the big McDavid hits, he appreciates all of the hits, which makes it fun for all who buy into his breaks. With that said there are a ton of group breakers out there.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Not in 91-92. Pinnacle B Team, believe it or not, was the very first, limited best-of player insert set. Nowadays, almost every product has a best players or best rookies insert set.

90-91 had a 1 per pack insert set of the Central Red Army in OPC. But these inserts were printed more commonly than even base cards in the set. Upper Deck had the silver stereogram stickers featuring Hull, Gretzky, Messier and Yzerman in action. Neither are considered important now although the CRA set was hot back in 1991.

91-92 had UD with their first ever Hockey Heroes insert set featuring Brett Hull, 10 cards including the rarer header card, inserted at about 2 per box. Score had the Bobby Orr insert set, six cards inserted at 1 per 3 boxes. Both had longshot autos. UD also had the SP cards like Glasnost on Ice commemorative. And UD had the nine card hologram Award Winners, inserted at a couple per box, roughly, the successor of the 9 stereogram sticker set from the previous year. Pinnacle had the B Team best of set, about a dozen cards, one per three? boxes.

So at that time, there were few insert sets.

While it may be the first "best of" set, most sets that year had inserts and/or subsets.

Upper Deck had 10 Brett Hull “Hockey Heroes” cards randomly inserted in low-number series packs. 2,500 cards signed by Hull were randomly inserted in packs. Nine “Award Winner” Holograms were issued, with some found in low-series packs and some in high-series packs. 18 “Euro-Stars” were found one per jumbo pack.

Score had a six-card Bobby Orr insert set randomly found in the 15-card packs. Orr cards 1 and 2 were found in Canadian and American packs; cards 3 and 4 were found only in Canadian packs; and cards 5 and 6 were found only in American packs. There was also a chance at pulling one of 2,500 cards autographed by Orr.

Pro Set Platinum had 20 “Platinum Collectibles” insert cards. The first 10 were found in Series One packs, and the latter 10 were found in Series Two packs.

Pro Set had Four different “CC” insert cards found in Series One packs, while five more were found in Series Two packs. 500 cards signed by Kirk McLean were randomly found in English packs. 1,000 copies of Patrick Roy’s Series One card (#125) were autographed and found in French Series One packs. Another 1,000 copies of Patrick Roy’s Series Two card (#599) were found in French Series Two packs. 10,000 NHL 75th Anniversary holograms were randomly found in Series Two packs.

Parkhurst had 9 different “Parkhurst Collectibles” (PHC) inserts, with cards 1-5 found in Series One packs and cards 6-9 found in Series Two packs. Less than 15,000 Final Update Sets were produced. With the exception of autographed inserts, that makes these last 25 Parkhurst cards the rarest cards from the 1991-92 season.

O Pee Chee had 66 insert cards – usually referred to as the “Sharks and Russians” set – feature nine players who were selected by the San Jose Sharks in the 1991 NHL Expansion Draft, 55 players from Soviet teams that toured the NHL in 1990-91 and two checklists.

Pinnacle had 12 “Team Pinnacle” insets, also referred to as “Pinnacle B” since the cards are numbered B-1 to B-12 on the back. Pinnacle also has some subsets like “Sidelines” and “Good Guys”.

Bowman had 21 “Team Scoring Leaders” glossy cards, found one per pack.

 

[Kipper933]

Stamkos is the YG (of the top rookies) I had the best luck with. Our Toys R Us had a clearance bin of various hockey cards for a while and other collectible cards for $1 each. Series 1 still had 1:4 YG odds (like hobby boxes), but there were the toughest to find. L Whenever I was at our mall, I’d buy any Series 1 packs I could find. Ended up pulling 4 Stamkos YGs from the packs and opened around 50-75 packs. That horseshoe didn’t last much longer lol.

Yeah, I too used to hit up a couple Toys R Us stores for the $1 retail packs, and just grab whatever S1 and S2 packs were there.

I just went around to 6-7 TRUs in the GTA area about a month to look for them, but it looks like those $1 retail pack bins don't exist anymore.

 

[Rorschach]

While it may be the first "best of" set, most sets that year had inserts and/or subsets.

Upper Deck had 10 Brett Hull “Hockey Heroes” cards randomly inserted in low-number series packs. 2,500 cards signed by Hull were randomly inserted in packs. Nine “Award Winner” Holograms were issued, with some found in low-series packs and some in high-series packs. 18 “Euro-Stars” were found one per jumbo pack.

Score had a six-card Bobby Orr insert set randomly found in the 15-card packs. Orr cards 1 and 2 were found in Canadian and American packs; cards 3 and 4 were found only in Canadian packs; and cards 5 and 6 were found only in American packs. There was also a chance at pulling one of 2,500 cards autographed by Orr.

Pro Set Platinum had 20 “Platinum Collectibles” insert cards. The first 10 were found in Series One packs, and the latter 10 were found in Series Two packs.

Pro Set had Four different “CC” insert cards found in Series One packs, while five more were found in Series Two packs. 500 cards signed by Kirk McLean were randomly found in English packs. 1,000 copies of Patrick Roy’s Series One card (#125) were autographed and found in French Series One packs. Another 1,000 copies of Patrick Roy’s Series Two card (#599) were found in French Series Two packs. 10,000 NHL 75th Anniversary holograms were randomly found in Series Two packs.

Parkhurst had 9 different “Parkhurst Collectibles” (PHC) inserts, with cards 1-5 found in Series One packs and cards 6-9 found in Series Two packs. Less than 15,000 Final Update Sets were produced. With the exception of autographed inserts, that makes these last 25 Parkhurst cards the rarest cards from the 1991-92 season.

O Pee Chee had 66 insert cards – usually referred to as the “Sharks and Russians” set – feature nine players who were selected by the San Jose Sharks in the 1991 NHL Expansion Draft, 55 players from Soviet teams that toured the NHL in 1990-91 and two checklists.

Pinnacle had 12 “Team Pinnacle” insets, also referred to as “Pinnacle B” since the cards are numbered B-1 to B-12 on the back. Pinnacle also has some subsets like “Sidelines” and “Good Guys”.

Bowman had 21 “Team Scoring Leaders” glossy cards, found one per pack.

So what I said was "the very first, limited best-of player insert set". All of the above cards, which I have 90% of in my collection, were inserted at the same rate as the regular cards (in other words they weren't inserted at all, they were simply subset cards, like the OPC 66 cards thing). Or they were slightly shortprinted like the CC cards in Pro Set. Or they were one per pack so they were even more common than the base cards. By the way the Parkhurst also had a Santa Claus NNO card and both the Parkhurst, Pinnacle and Pro Set had French versions.

But of all those cards, the only limited one was the 91-92 NHL logo hologram from Pro Set and the autograph cards. The Pinnacle B Team was one card in three boxes. It had a striking design and featured the best of the best players in the NHL. So people remember it because those cards were basically so rare, maybe one of your friends had one.

 

[Rorschach]

Yeah, I too used to hit up a couple Toys R Us stores for the $1 retail packs, and just grab whatever S1 and S2 packs were there.

I just went around to 6-7 TRUs in the GTA area about a month to look for them, but it looks like those $1 retail pack bins don't exist anymore.

Stamkos was an easy pull for me too...I wound up with five copies. I remember trying to pull the Drew Doughty for my PC and I whiffed on like 8 boxes. Finally when traveling out of state in Oregon of all places, I found a card shop that had some hockey, bought a box, and pulled TWO in one box. I've never pulled two of the same Young Gun in a sealed box in several hundred boxes. Trippy

 

[BostonBob]

Group breaks are fun. It’s a great way to get all of the hits from your team rather than buy a while case. I’d suggest breaks which you buy a specific team slot. However there are group breaks which you can buy a randomized team slow (all 31 slots are sold and then randomized after). Some breakers also sell player slots, which is cheaper but the chances are also slimmer.

I've been watching a few from " Zephyr Eric " and they seem to be well run. The only thing I don't like is that I have only seen the " random team " ones so far and that means you only got a 1 in 31 shot ( although he does sometimes combine a few teams to give you a better shot at getting some good cards ) at getting your favourite team or a team loaded with Young Guns or other high value cards. He's running a special 50th Group Break this Saturday night ( $50 a spot ) and when I first saw this on his site there were 4 slots still open. I thought about it after looking at all the boxes included and decided to give it a try but now all 31 spots were filled out.

Does this sound like a good deal for $50 and only getting a random team ????

Boxes in this break:

• 1x 2019-20 UD Series 1 Retail
• 1x 2019-20 UD Series 2 Retail
• 1x 2019-20 UD Series 1 Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 UD Series 2 Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 OPC Platinum Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 UD Allure Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 UD Credentials Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 UD Ice Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 SP Authentic Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 UD Engrained
• 1x 2019-20 UD Ultimate Collection

 

[Rorschach]

I've been watching a few from " Zephyr Eric " and they seem to be well run. The only thing I don't like is that I have only seen the " random team " ones so far and that means you only got a 1 in 31 shot ( although he does sometimes combine a few teams to give you a better shot at getting some good cards ) at getting your favourite team or a team loaded with Young Guns or other high value cards. He's running a special 50th Group Break this Saturday night ( $50 a spot ) and when I first saw this on his site there were 4 slots still open. I thought about it after looking at all the boxes included and decided to give it a try but now all 31 spots were filled out.

Does this sound like a good deal for $50 and only getting a random team ????

Boxes in this break:

• 1x 2019-20 UD Series 1 Retail
• 1x 2019-20 UD Series 2 Retail
• 1x 2019-20 UD Series 1 Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 UD Series 2 Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 OPC Platinum Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 UD Allure Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 UD Credentials Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 UD Ice Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 SP Authentic Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 UD Engrained
• 1x 2019-20 UD Ultimate Collection

I don't think so. The problem with team breaks on a break where all the boxes are from the same year, everyone knows what teams have the best RC cards and star cards. So the leftover spots, while maybe fun to watch, are not good value for singles.

 

[blankall]

Group Breaks are, for the most part, straight up gambling IMO. The value is never there, but you can hit big off of some low investment. If you are collecting players from your favorite team, breaks are definitely the way to go, especially if it's a less popular team.

If you are able to pick an underrated player, it's also a very solid option. For example, if you'd entered a bunch of breaks last year trying to pick up Heiskanen cards, you could have got some great value.

 

[BostonBob]

Does this sound like a good deal for $50 and only getting a random team ????

Boxes in this break:

• 1x 2019-20 UD Series 1 Retail
• 1x 2019-20 UD Series 2 Retail
• 1x 2019-20 UD Series 1 Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 UD Series 2 Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 OPC Platinum Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 UD Allure Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 UD Credentials Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 UD Ice Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 SP Authentic Hobby
• 1x 2019-20 UD Engrained
• 1x 2019-20 UD Ultimate Collection

I don't think so. The problem with team breaks on a break where all the boxes are from the same year, everyone knows what teams have the best RC cards and star cards. So the leftover spots, while maybe fun to watch, are not good value for singles.

Thanks - what you said makes perfect sense. He does have one more Group Break listed with Upper Deck boxes from the last 2 seasons. This one is $45 per spot ( 30 spots available as he has combined Arizona and Minnesota ) but once again your team will be randomly selected:

Boxes in this break:

• 4x 2018-19 UD Series 2 Hobby
• 4x 2019-20 UD Series 1 Hobby
• 4x 2019-20 UD Series 2 Hobby

 

[Canadian Game]

Thanks - what you said makes perfect sense. He does have one more Group Break listed with Upper Deck boxes from the last 2 seasons. This one is $45 per spot ( 30 spots available as he has combined Arizona and Minnesota ) but once again your team will be randomly selected:

Boxes in this break:

• 4x 2018-19 UD Series 2 Hobby
• 4x 2019-20 UD Series 1 Hobby
• 4x 2019-20 UD Series 2 Hobby

I think some breakers like the idea of selling flat rate spots and therefore the spots are randomized. When it’s a team break, the prices vary by team based on how many cards the team has in the checklist along with the players in the set. I don’t see the appeal of a randomized break.