Post-Game Talk: Hit em with the 4 like AM34. Leafs lose 4th straight game 7 to Boston: 2-1

[notbias]

Lou drafted the players, but he was out before their ELCs were even up. Fwiw he was a shit GM here too but was still miles ahead of Dubas. The Isles have been wildly more successful under Lou than the Leafs were under Dubas, with half the talent

Dubas got them while they were still young and impressionable. Instead of keeping Babcock to teach them how to become winners, he caved at their every demand and coddled them into the divas they are now.

It is funny you talk about inheriting talent and then think Babcock can mold players into winners.

Are the Islanders more Lou's team today, or the year he took over? The more he has put a stamp on the team, the worse they have gotten, that should tell you something.

Lou could have handled the ELCs for all I care, but he was terrible at constructing a team, and the Islanders are a perfect example.

Babcock and Lou had them when they were most impressionable, they just must suck at influencing players.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Odd would be completely ignoring their playoff performances

Great teams lose in the playoffs all the time. Often in way more embarrassing ways than we have. That doesn't make them not great teams.
Odd would be ignoring the majority of what a team is and does to overemphasize one bounce over a two week period against one singular team without context.

 

[Welsh Maple Leaf]

This is one of the worst posts I've ever seen on this forum. Yet another playoff failure where the core Dubas built failed to show up and you're doubling down on that idiot yet again??

Everyone wanted Tavares, everyone was happy with Marner and Nylander. Matthews was a no brainer. We were all happy with the building of the core, it just hasn't worked - they have let us and Dubas down.

 

[JKG33]

It is funny you talk about inheriting talent and then think Babcock can mold players into winners.

Are the Islanders more Lou's team today, or the year he took over? The more he has put a stamp on the team, the worse they have gotten, that should tell you something.

Lou could have handled the ELCs for all I care, but he was terrible at constructing a team, and the Islanders are a perfect example.

Again I'm not defending Lou or the Isles, just stating the obvious that they've had much more success.

If you want to talk about terrible at constructing a team, look no further than Dubas who got us into this mess

Everyone wanted Tavares, everyone was happy with Marner and Nylander. Matthews was a no brainer. We were all happy with the building of the core, it just hasn't worked - they have let us and Dubas down.

I certainly wasn't. Marner looked like a bitch from day 1. I wanted one of the D men.. Hanifin or Werenski or Provorov

 

[Stopper420]

This team will do the same stupid shit swap out a couple of depth players pick up another washed up goalie at league min and they’ll say run it back we were so close.

 

[notbias]

Again I'm not defending Lou or the Isles, just stating the obvious that they've had much more success.

If you want to talk about terrible at constructing a team, look no further than Dubas who got us into this mess

Speaking of success, we got to round 2 last year and only round 1 this year.

The new GM has made the team regress, we can at least agree on this, and is likely the worst option of the 3 being mentioned.

 

[JKG33]

Great teams lose in the playoffs all the time. Often in way more embarrassing ways than we have. That doesn't make them not great teams.
Odd would be ignoring the majority of what a team is and does to overemphasize one bounce over a two week period against one singular team without context.

Do they? Even the most notorious playoff chokers, the San Jose Sharks, would routinely make it to the conference finals.

What little this team has accomplished with the talent they have is truly remarkable. It's almost like they haven't grown or matured at all in the 8 years they've been together. Absolutely 0 progression. Before last season I always said I'm shocked that even through dumb luck they hadn't found a way to win a round. Well it's looking more and more like that's all those 2 extra wins last year were... dumb luck

 

[Darcy Tucker]

How are you guys still arguing about Dubas lol

 

[notbias]

How are you guys still arguing about Dubas lol

We got a more "playoff-built" team, and then we regressed.

It is hard to admit you are wrong, so you must blame something or someone, and it can't be the kind of GM you begged for.

Lou failed, Dubas failed, and Treliving is failing.

All the GMs have failed so far.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Do they?

Yes, they do. A number of the best teams in cap era history lost in the 1st round. Some even got swept. In way more embarrassing ways than any loss we've had.

 

[Metroid]

Yes he was, and he knew what it takes to get to the top.

He has either forgotten or is ignoring all of that as an executive.

He sold out, ridding the corporate ladder, msle is the stepping stone to him taking bettmans job. He killed his legacy as a player by becoming a suit (his choice, he can do wha he wants)
But f*** him.

 

[JKG33]

Yes, they do. A number of the best teams in cap era history lost in the 1st round. Some even got swept. In way more embarrassing ways than any loss we've had.

Everyone's lost in the first round. How many have lost 6 (or 7, depending on if you view Columbus as rd 1 or missing the playoffs) times in 8 years? How many have won only a single round in that span?

 

[notbias]

Everyone's lost in the first round. How many have lost 6 (or 7, depending on if you view Columbus as rd 1 or missing the playoffs) times in 8 years? How many have won only a single round in that span?

Ovi has been out of the second round once...

The cup erases all of their failures.

I'd say that is as bad, or worse.

Also, a more successful regular season team.

 

[Jojalu]

Everyone's lost in the first round. How many have lost 6 (or 7, depending on if you view Columbus as rd 1 or missing the playoffs) times in 8 years? How many have won only a single round in that span?

The Sabres are the only other team in all of the big 4 sports to make the playoffs 8 years in a row and only win 1 series.

So now we have 2 teams in HISTORY who have managed to pull this off

 

[JKG33]

Ovi has been out of the second round once...

The cup erases all of their failures.

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I'd say that is as bad, or worse.

Also, a more successful regular season team.

The delusion of this side of the argument to cling to the one outlier...

The Sabres are the only other team in all of the big 4 sports to make the playoffs 8 years in a row and only win 1 series.

So now we have 2 teams in HISTORY who have managed to pull this off

Wow, what a list of great teams!!

 

[Dreakmur]

You have an odd definition of a "great team." What makes them great? What did he do that contributed to this alleged greatness?

He overpaid the elite players he inherited from previous regimes. Then he added Tavares, which is pretty widely believed to be the move that killed this iteration of the team. Those moves severely limited his cap space, and that exposed his lack of understanding of the game when trying to fill out the roster.

That’s what Dibas did….

 

[notbias]

The delusion of this side of the argument to cling to the one outlier...

You asked for examples, I gave you an example, and now it is not good enough? Okay.

Look at Barkov leading Florida, 9 years of failure (still failing, just failing further into the playoffs)

Mac leading Colorado, 8 years of 1 round or less (Makar saved them).

Your Jets, as a franchise, have won 2 more series in their 24 years (lost 1-4 in the third round) than the Leafs with this core.

There are a TON of failures in the NHL.

The Sabres are the only other team in all of the big 4 sports to make the playoffs 8 years in a row and only win 1 series.

So now we have 2 teams in HISTORY who have managed to pull this off

There are probably not too many teams that make the playoffs 8 years straight, so this is a weird record to me.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

In about 2 minutes of browsing your post history over the last 3 days I found atleast 5 posts of you indirectly defending the core and continuing to shit on Tre's version of the defense.

In fact looking through your post history, you are non-stop pushing the agenda that Tre's defensive acquisitions basically lost us the series, even though they performed significantly above expectations.

You're also out here shitting on Lou, Hunter, Tre, etc... for not creating anything winning yet mention absolutely nothing about Dubas' reign of failure for 5 years. In fact you've created a completely different standard for judging Dubas.


You're being intentionally obtuse and it's obvious, bye bye, you're a waste of time.

Took ya long enough!

 

[puckie]

I love how Marner gets 20 minutes if ice time and let Pasta blow by him for the game winner. Doesn't even change pace as he skates past him. Yes, D should have picked up but it is playoff hockey IN OVERTIME! Domi one of the best players of the series gets 15. Makes total sense...

 

[ClarkSittler]

He was 32 when he was hired as GM. He grew up around hockey, playing and working. Became a scout. Got a sports management degree. Became the youngest certified player agent ever. Became the 2nd youngest OHL GM ever. Became assistant NHL GM. Was named as one of the top 30 under 30 in sports. Became interim GM. Became AHL GM and won the cup. He had to be blocked from other teams - including everybody's favourite Colorado - hiring him. Whatever your opinion of him, he was unquestionably one of the best, young, sought-after executives. And it was in no way a rushed decision.

Shanahan wasn't looking for Moneyball or whatever movie narrative you want to insert. He was just looking for a great GM. And long story short, that's what he got, and it did work. Fixed what his predecessor had screwed up, effectively maneuvered through one of the most difficult situations the league had ever seen, gave us some of the best teams this franchise has ever seen, and set up a second wave of youth for the next guy. Calling somebody a nerd because they're smart and have glasses is exactly the kind of thinking that is going to drag this team back into the gutter.

Yes winning one game past the first round is super successful, way better than those 13 cup winning teams or the 4 that have at least went to the Conference finals, something Dubas teams didn't even sniff.

Your posts are comedy gold!

 

[JKG33]

You asked for examples, I gave you an example, and now it is not good enough? Okay.

Look at Barkov leading Florida, 9 years of failure (still failing, just failing further into the playoffs)

Mac leading Colorado, 8 years of 1 round or less (Makar saved them).

Your Jets, as a franchise, have won 2 more series in their 24 years (lost 1-4 in the third round) than the Leafs with this core.

There are a TON of failures in the NHL.

My Jets? Gross...

The thing is, all those teams either showed progress or made changes.

Florida has slowly built something and traded for core players like Tkachuk and Reinhart, while trading away players like Huberdeau and Weegar.

Colorado? Same thing. Duchene and ROR were viewed as not the guys so they were shipped out.

You're right, there are a tonne of failures. But not many of them as stagnant as the Leafs while also being extremely talented.

 

[notbias]

My Jets? Gross...

The thing is, all those teams either showed progress or made changes.

Florida has slowly built something and traded for core players like Tkachuk and Reinhart, while trading away players like Huberdeau and Weegar.

Colorado? Same thing. Duchene and ROR were viewed as not the guys so they were shipped out.

You're right, there are a tonne of failures. But not many of them as stagnant as the Leafs while also being extremely talented.

Your Kings?

Kopitar re-signed, Doughty remains with the team, very stagnant, and worse record recently.

They may be doubling down on a worse team than the Leafs year over year.

 

[ClarkSittler]

Great teams lose in the playoffs all the time. Often in way more embarrassing ways than we have. That doesn't make them not great teams.
Odd would be ignoring the majority of what a team is and does to overemphasize one bounce over a two week period against one singular team without context.

Teams that lose in the first found of the playoffs aren't great, where did you get that silly idea?

 

[TheTotalPackage]

He was 32 when he was hired as GM. He grew up around hockey, playing and working. Became a scout. Got a sports management degree. Became the youngest certified player agent ever. Became the 2nd youngest OHL GM ever. Became assistant NHL GM. Was named as one of the top 30 under 30 in sports. Became interim GM. Became AHL GM and won the cup. He had to be blocked from other teams - including everybody's favourite Colorado - hiring him. Whatever your opinion of him, he was unquestionably one of the best, young, sought-after executives. And it was in no way a rushed decision.

Shanahan wasn't looking for Moneyball or whatever movie narrative you want to insert. He was just looking for a great GM. And long story short, that's what he got, and it did work. Fixed what his predecessor had screwed up, effectively maneuvered through one of the most difficult situations the league had ever seen, gave us some of the best teams this franchise has ever seen, and set up a second wave of youth for the next guy. Calling somebody a nerd because they're smart and have glasses is exactly the kind of thinking that is going to drag this team back into the gutter.

John Chayka was considered just like Dubas -- young, bright mind, advanced thinking with the attention to analytics, going to overturn the "old boys club", would outsmart all the dinosaurs, etc. Neither came as advertised.

Dubas is an intelligent mind who is a great talker (to the point you buy his b.s.), and he is a good GM who will have a very long career in the league. But everyone who thought he (along with Chayka) would revolutionize the GM were far mistaken.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Your Kings?

Kopitar re-signed, Doughty remains with the team, very stagnant, and worse record recently.

They may be doubling down on a worse team than the Leafs year over year.

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2 Stanley Cups buys a lot of goodwill. Win a couple of cups, you can do whatever you want.