Post-Game Talk: Hit em with the 4 like AM34. Leafs lose 4th straight game 7 to Boston: 2-1

[Ports]

Hiring one of the best, young, sought-after executives as GM wasn't a snap decision. It was planned and set up for multiple years. And it was the best thing this team did in ages. Finally escaping the dinosaur thinking and old boys club that had been dragging this franchise into the gutter for decades. And then in true Leaf fashion, they made a snap emotional decision and ruined it just as we were moving past the pandemic flat cap and the second wave he provided was coming.

Dinosaurs? I guess all the other teams that win cups with older GM’s must be lucky because hockey is just a random game ?

 

[Ports]

Blows my mind you Gus are blaming goaltending when the second highest scoring team in the league score 12 in 7 … your not winning when your top guys can’t score

Don’t forget 1 for 21 on the PP and the one they scored Swayman would have stopped.

I think Keefe is fine. He just needs help setting up D-zone play. They never adapted during the series, and the Bruins kept pinching in onto their wingers who were always too high, when they actually were present! Ringing the puck along the boards is good for peewee.

With that piss poor PP and PK he needs to move on.

 

[Stephen]

Hiring one of the best, young, sought-after executives as GM wasn't a snap decision. It was planned and set up for multiple years. And it was the best thing this team did in ages. Finally escaping the dinosaur thinking and old boys club that had been dragging this franchise into the gutter for decades. And then in true Leaf fashion, they made a snap emotional decision and ruined it just as we were moving past the pandemic flat cap and the second wave he provided was coming.

Hiring a smooth talking 28 year old GM out of Sault Ste Marie with a Brock degree wasn’t hiring one of the best young, sought after executives in the game, it was Brendan Shanahan looking for his Brad Pitt/Jonah Hill moment in Moneyball. Aka a nerd advantage as shortcut to success. Long story short, it didn’t work.

 

[Ports]

I think Keefe is fine. He just needs help setting up D-zone play. They never adapted during the series, and the Bruins kept pinching in onto their wingers who were always too high, when they actually were present! Ringing the puck along the boards is good for peewee.

With that piss poor PP and PK he needs to move on.

I understand, but it doesn't change the fact that putting yourself in the best position to win (i.e., playing the Capitals) is important.

No fans in those series kind of negated home ice.

I understand, but it doesn't change the fact that putting yourself in the best position to win (i.e., playing the Capitals) is important.

No fans in those series kind of negated home ice.

 

[Gallagbi]

Hiring a smooth talking 28 year old GM out of Sault Ste Marie with a Brock degree wasn’t hiring one of the best young, sought after executives in the game, it was Brendan Shanahan looking for his Brad Pitt/Jonah Hill moment in Moneyball. Aka a nerd advantage as shortcut to success. Long story short, it didn’t work.

...and this short cut to success included the complete tear down of the team into a last place group?

 

[IPS]

and I am not happy losing.

You do realize that Dubas as GM is a complete contradiction to this idea right?

 

[notbias]

You do realize that Dubas as GM is a complete contradiction to this idea right?

So was Lou, and so was every GM since 1967.

I just don't enjoy losing. I disagree with a lot of people about how to win, but at the end of the day, I want the team to win.

 

[IPS]

I think Treliving is a terrible GM without comparing him to any other GM (I know someone will bring up that I just like a different GM and that's why I said this).

Fair enough, seems like you have no problem putting bias aside for judging Treliving, very logical.

But with Dubas you literally flip the standard on everything to bend over backwards to defend him. It's like you live in opposite land when it comes to judging Leafs GM's.

 

[notbias]

Fair enough, seems like you have no problem putting bias aside for judging Treliving, very logical.

But with Dubas you literally flip the standard on everything to bend over backwards to defend him. It's like you live in opposite land when it comes to judging Leafs GM's.

Thank you for your opinion, it added nothing to the conversation.

You proved my point that certain people can not do anything but attack the person because they have nothing to say.

 

[Ports]

He sure is! He is not meeting expectations with only 3 assists in 7 games in these playoffs, despite being paid millions to anchor the powerplay (which has been abysmal) and score goals. I would explore trades for him as well. Time for a major shakeup!

Their record without him in the lineup is something like 23-4-1 because he can’t defend or quarterback a PP. Schenn last year and Lyubushkin this year had to win every battle to keep him from getting caved every shift. He looks like he’s lost in his own end most of the time and got puck watching and beat by an AHL player like Brazzeau and screened Sammy with a pathetic effort to block the shot on the tying goal. He’s a 3-4 dman who can’t be trusted defensively and being paid like he’s a top pairing guy.

 

[IPS]

Thank you for your opinion, it added nothing to the conversation.

You proved my point that certain people can not do anything but attack the person because they have nothing to say.

Bro you're literally all over the board with your opinions on the team and why they lost.

You're blaming Lyubhskin and Edmundson even though they did their jobs to near perfection, allowing exceptionally few goals. Yet you want to completely absolve the $50M core for not scoring anything this series and want to blame the.... defensemen.... for not scoring enough.

None of your opinions add up at all, it's incredibly confusing.

 

[notbias]

Bro you're literally all over the board with your opinions on the team and why they lost.

You're blaming Lyubhskin and Edmundson even though they did their jobs to near perfection, allowing exceptionally few goals. Yet you want to completely absolve the $50M core for not scoring anything this series and want to blame the.... defensemen.... for not scoring enough.

None of your opinions add up at all, it's incredibly confusing.

Can you point out where I blamed Lub? I've been praising him.

Can you also where I absolved the core?

Right now I think you're either having some issues with your reading comprehension or making things up.

 

[Ports]

They do care. IMO as good as they are in the regular season, they don't have that next gear when it comes to the playoffs. At this point they need to do a major re-tool of this team.

Caring doesn’t win playing off series. Playing hard, playing physical, playing disciplined and coming through when it counts does.

 

[IPS]

Can you point out where I blamed Lub? I've been praising him.

Can you also where I absolved the core?

Right now I think you're either having some issues with your reading comprehension or making things up.

In about 2 minutes of browsing your post history over the last 3 days I found atleast 5 posts of you indirectly defending the core and continuing to shit on Tre's version of the defense.

In fact looking through your post history, you are non-stop pushing the agenda that Tre's defensive acquisitions basically lost us the series, even though they performed significantly above expectations.

You're also out here shitting on Lou, Hunter, Tre, etc... for not creating anything winning yet mention absolutely nothing about Dubas' reign of failure for 5 years. In fact you've created a completely different standard for judging Dubas.


You're being intentionally obtuse and it's obvious, bye bye, you're a waste of time.

 

[notbias]

In about 2 minutes of browsing your post history over the last 3 days I found atleast 5 posts of you indirectly defending the core and continuing to shit on Tre's version of the defense.

In fact looking through your post history, you are non-stop pushing the agenda that Tre's defensive acquisitions basically lost us the series, even though they performed significantly above expectations.

You're also out here shitting on Lou, Hunter, Tre, etc... for not creating anything winning yet mention absolutely nothing about Dubas' reign of failure for 5 years. In fact you've created a completely different standard for judging Dubas.


You're being intentionally obtuse and it's obvious, bye bye, you're a waste of time.

I truly think you just don't know how to read at this point.

I hope you have a good evening.

When people complain about the same things over and over, I agree with them and also point out other issues.

If you don't like that I don't join in and just say "ya, the core sucked" and stop there, then I guess don't respond.

They sucked, and so did virtually everyone.

 

[IPS]

I truly think you just don't know how to read at this point.

I hope you have a good evening.

I've seen your argument tactics before, someone corners you and you'll literally just deny what's right in front of your face. It's very infantile and not worth addressing, so yeah we'll end it here, np.

 

[Ports]

It is pathetic to see people on here trying to defend the Leafs, although, at least, they are in the small minority. I admire their loyalty -- but loyalty, ultimately, has to be deserved. It is not unconditional.

The evidence is clear, people. Stop arguing specifics about this and that. Zoom back and look at the overall reality. This team doesn't work in the playoffs. Fundamental changes have to happen, not around the edges.

I started this year thinking the defense was the weak point, and ended up thinking they are the strong point. There are 4 defensemen who are hard to play against -- Edmundson, McCabe, Benoit (who is amazing), and Lyubushkin (who is much better than advertised). The real problem is Rielly and Lillegren. Especially Rielly: overrated, cannot quarterback the power play, is not a #1 really, defensively falls asleep. Get rid of him.

For starters, this has to happen:

• Trade Marner ASAP. For two good players. I am so sick of seeing him directly in the slot 12 feet in front of the goalie pass the puck to some guy over by the boards. He is a petulant child. Get rid of him.
• Trade Rielly. Get a defensemen who can play that position.
• Trade Tavares, even though I like him and admire him. The change has to be brutal.
• Fire Keefe. he is a joke. Last night, he looked like he was just watching the game. Trip Knies, clearly, and no reaction at all.
• Find a real goalie who is not a head case and also does not get constantly injured, and oh, stops the puck.

Ideas one and two are necessary but NMC’s are a problem. They probably respect Rielly the man too much to force the issue. Marner seems the more likely candidate. Is Tavavres tradable ? If not, Robidas Island. Coaching staff all gone. I haven’t given up on Woll as part of a tandem with a proven starter.

 

[Dreakmur]

Bro you're literally all over the board with your opinions on the team and why they lost.

You're blaming Lyubhskin and Edmundson even though they did their jobs to near perfection, allowing exceptionally few goals. Yet you want to completely absolve the $50M core for not scoring anything this series and want to blame the.... defensemen.... for not scoring enough.

None of your opinions add up at all, it's incredibly confusing.

I don't agree with notbias very much.... but, lacking skill on the blueline has definitely hurt our offense. If you can't move the puck up ice effectively, you cant create offense.

I think that's a result of our poor cap distribution much more than the result of our new GM's decisions.

 

[IPS]

I don't agree with notbias very much.... but, lacking skill on the blueline has definitely hurt our offense. If you can't move the puck up ice effectively, you cant create offense.

I think that's a result of our poor cap distribution much more than the result of our new GM's decisions.

I don't deny that the defense could have used another good puck mover but lack of puck movement wasn't why we lost.

The core had their chances and couildn't put it past Swayman. Only Nylander did and he didn't need to blame lack of puck movement from the D.

Blaming Joel Edmundson for losing the series is just flat out stupidity.

 

[keonsbitterness]

So was Lou, and so was every GM since 1967.

Jim Gregory was a good hire in 1968. Just had the misfortune of being there when Ballard took over full control.

 

[Dreakmur]

I don't deny that the defense could have used another good puck mover but lack of puck movement wasn't why we lost.

There isn't just one reason we lost. Puck movement from the defense was one of out biggest weaknesses, and absolutely did contribute to our loss.

The core had their chances and couildn't put it past Swayman. Only Nylander did and he didn't need to blame lack of puck movement from the D.

Blaming Joel Edmundson for losing the series is just flat out stupidity.

Blaming Edmondson does seem odd.... but, no more odd than failing to acknowledge that we would have been more successful with a better defenseman in his place.

 

[IPS]

Blaming Edmondson does seem odd.... but, no more odd than failing to acknowledge that we would have been more successful with a better defenseman in his place.

I can agree with that but it still won't change the fact that the series was lost on the core 4 not producing enough. Paying guys like Marner and Tavares $11M to score 2 goals and 5 points combined is way too much of a deficit to overcome.

 

[Dreakmur]

I can agree with that but it still won't change the fact that the series was lost on the core 4 not producing enough. Paying guys like Marner and Tavares $11M to score 2 goals and 5 points combined is way too much of a deficit to overcome.

Agreed. They needed to either produce more or get paid less.

 

[francis246]

Where was he yesterday?

He’s going to be available on Monday.

 

[KingJoffrey]

Problem is thart Tre is just a Shanahan's puppet. Not a sane GM would pay 11 mil for 28 year old winger for eight years with career high less than 100 points.

Only 11 mil worth of wingers are Rantanen, Kuch and Panarin. Nylander is good player, but he aint Rantanen.

Overpaying 2 mil every time when star is up for new deal is recipe for disaster.