Post-Game Talk: High Wolltage revenge Leafs 2:1 Avs

[Evilhomer]

I am not saying i have an issue with last night's game, i am just saying they need to be great in the playoffs. Looks like we agree on that.

I don't think the stars need to be "great" in the McDavid sense because the rest of the leafs' lineup is far better than that Edmonton team, especially on defense and in net. The Leafs are going to win a lot of 2-1 and 3-2 playoff games this year, and their goals will mostly come from the usual suspects.

 

[Roo]

cycling over and over and over again, it was Keefe system and did that bring any kind of result come playoff time? no that's why leafs moving out of that system. if you can't attack the center, a good NHL goalie will make save from distance with no screen all day long.

Cycling is Berube system who having a direct approach by crashing the net everytime you can.


Even the 1st line didn't play cycling game contrairly to what you said, they play the same way with a much better execution and intensity.

You're implying that by cycling the puck teams don't attack the net or center of the ice. Cycling is a method to maintain possession, it doesn't mean you don't attack the center of the ice. You are suggesting that these are things are mutually exclusive when that is not the case.

Also, crashing the net all the time when everyone has collapsed down low isn't a recipe for success. You are suggesting that there is only one way to play and generate offense, and that simply isn't true. I'm not suggesting they play a dump and cycle game 100% of the time either. That makes little sense. All I am saying is that they need to get more effective at it. I'm not sure why you are pushing back here, but watch the game tonight closely. You will see a variety of methods to generate offense (which is good), but you will also see lines attempt to cycle and some do it much better than others. Watch that first line closely, they are definitely cycling the puck at times and are one of the better trios at it.

 

[thusk]

They had a better xGF because they had more empty net attempts.

1st period avs-leafs
shot 13-5
SC 12-5
HDC 4-4
xGF 0,66-0,73

2nd period
shot 15-10
SC 18-11
HDC 7-6
xGF 1,63- 1,34

3rd period
SHot 11-11
SC 9-12
HDC 4-5
xGF 1,04- 1,77

and personally it's exactly what i saw... 1st period avs got a lot of puck and shot but didn't really generate anything.

2nd period leafs start strong and avs domininated second half

3nd : leafs had been by far the best team on the ice and hat's exactly what stats saying

 

[notDatsyuk]

According to the mains the referees always help us, I guess that explains why we've been a bottom 5 team in powerplay opportunities for like 8 years in a row!

Most impressive is how "we've been a bottom 5 team in powerplay opportunities for like 8 years in a row" and yet are still only 25th when you add them up.

In fact, over the last 6 seasons we have not been worse than 25th, and as high as 18th.

Most of the referees' bias is in the (small) minds of the fans. Baseball may be the only sport where fans don't think the refs are biased against them.

(In baseball it's umpires, not referees. )

 

[Sypher04]

2nd period
shot 15-10
SC 18-11
HDC 7-6
xGF 1,63- 1,34

How does one get 29 scoring chances on 25 shots? Lol

Agree overall with your post, just not understanding this part of the numbers

 

[dangomon]

How does one get 29 scoring chances on 25 shots? Lol

Agree overall with your post, just not understanding this part of the numbers

You miss the net.

 

[notbias]

1st period avs-leafs
shot 13-5
SC 12-5
HDC 4-4
xGF 0,66-0,73

2nd period
shot 15-10
SC 18-11
HDC 7-6
xGF 1,63- 1,34

3rd period
SHot 11-11
SC 9-12
HDC 4-5
xGF 1,04- 1,77

and personally it's exactly what i saw... 1st period avs got a lot of puck and shot but didn't really generate anything.

2nd period leafs start strong and avs domininated second half

3nd : leafs had been by far the best team on the ice and hat's exactly what stats saying

If you remove the 6v5 play in the 3rd, it doesn't look anything like that.

Just go look at 5v5 numbers if you want, they lost every period there.

 

[Dough72]

I am not saying i have an issue with last night's game, i am just saying they need to be great in the playoffs. Looks like we agree on that.

They absolutely do. And so does Nylander who's playoff pedigree is just as pedestrian as the other two. And that includes last years playoffs regardless he was gifted 2 dumb luck goals that Ryan Reaves might as well have scored.

 

[Sypher04]

You miss the net.

Is that really how they are calculating this?
Because a shot that misses the net has zero chance of going in - can that really be called a scoring chance.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

Woll should be the undeniable starter. He is the future of this team.

 

[Apex Predator]

Why is that, though? Why can’t we expect Matthews and Marner to carry the team? When I say that both of them need to be exceptional in the playoffs, I get some push back. Not you specifically, but in general. This team shouldn’t rely on the goaltending to bail them out. What is the point of paying so much money to these supposed elite offensive players? May as well have a roster like the MTL Canadiens in 2021? Something about it is not right.

It’s the way the team is built. We lack depth coring so this is how we need to win.

 

[AvroArrow]

From the Avs perspective, this felt like a game eerily similar to the Keefe Leafs

I'd argue they were the better team overall and they generated a lot of chances, but it was way too clean. Woll saw everything and they consistently got boxed out. Easier to get goalies when you play like this, as we all know far too well

They had a lot of shots but I don't think the game was as tilted as the shot totals were. Matthews legitimately could have had a hat trick with how dominant he was and how many chances he had. I think we hit 2 off the post.

Overall I think the Avs skaters were just marginally better, wasn't a huge difference but they did control more of the game, Woll was outstanding and we got some puck luck for once.

 

[arso40]

Me neither. From the looks of it Marner was by far the worst defensively, but that can't be right.

Is that what that says?

 

[dangomon]

Is that really how they are calculating this?
Because a shot that misses the net has zero chance of going in - can that really be called a scoring chance.

Chances (and things like xGoals) are calculated when the chance happens, not where the puck ends up. If I take a shot from inside the crease, stats show that will go in more often than not (so it's a scoring chance, and would likely have a high xG, say 0.7) and me missing the net by 20 ft doesn't change that.

It's why advanced stats give a broader picture of the game, as opposed to specific outcomes and instances. If I get 100 high danger scoring chances, I'll miss the net on a few, I'll have a few saved, but lots will go in. They're all high danger chances nonetheless.

 

[thusk]

You're implying that by cycling the puck teams don't attack the net or center of the ice. Cycling is a method to maintain possession, it doesn't mean you don't attack the center of the ice. You are suggesting that these are things are mutually exclusive when that is not the case.

Also, crashing the net all the time when everyone has collapsed down low isn't a recipe for success. You are suggesting that there is only one way to play and generate offense, and that simply isn't true. I'm not suggesting they play a dump and cycle game 100% of the time either. That makes little sense. All I am saying is that they need to get more effective at it. I'm not sure why you are pushing back here, but watch the game tonight closely. You will see a variety of methods to generate offense (which is good), but you will also see lines attempt to cycle and some do it much better than others. Watch that first line closely, they are definitely cycling the puck at times and are one of the better trios at it.

Cycling until something open up somewhere and keep possession to defend less possible to hide D weakness, it's what leafs did for 6 years but THAT'S NEVER WORKED FOR LEAFS. Cycling is to create yourself space but cutting defender out of position, that's was working in season but in playoff and space became tighter and harder to get, that didn't work because to make it work and really having succes with that system, you need D involve in the offensive game... Avs having makar ( best NHL D), Toews, Girard, who's all able to get it done... Leafs having rielly. If its not the case, opposite team will focus to block the middle ice for the foward group and it will be hard to get open lane. So you will take shot from distance and will be hard to get clean shot from dangerous area and biggest part of your offensive will come on coubter-attack. It was the same story over and over again. Why come back to a strategy who's never worked

1st line had their best chance when they had been agressive on forecheck and forced mistake.

 

[thusk]

If you remove the 6v5 play in the 3rd, it doesn't look anything like that.

Just go look at 5v5 numbers if you want, they lost every period there.

So 4v4 or PP/ PK doesn't count?

Yeah i'm agree EN attempt chance the number and how many good scoring chance did avs had after Woll save on Nelson? Did they really had a single great A scoring chance last 12 when leafs protecting their lead?

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Right back at it tonight against the surprisingly mediocre rags. Been expecting them to turn things around but the season is getting long in the tooth and nothing yet. Think they might be busy changing some higher end personnel this summer.

 

[Nineteen67]

firmly disagree. They played well defensively and the goaltending was good, but there were lengthy stretches of the game where we weren’t doing all that much offensively. Good win, but plenty of room for improvement.

That’s just what they are. That’s been the issue for yrs.

 

[arso40]

Woll should be the undeniable starter. He is the future of this team.

We need to trade stolarz next year and try to get some piccs bacc

 

[Ports]

I’m trying to Learn to stop worrying and Love the Laughton I just need some help seeing some highlights of good stuff he’s done so far.

Give it time. As long as he’s effective in the playoffs, all will be forgiven.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

I’m trying to Learn to stop worrying and Love the Laughton I just need some help seeing some highlights of good stuff he’s done so far.

Good luck finding those. That 4th was terrible with him at centre, caved in with many shots allowed. He continues to showing NOTHING. Even Berube post game he just has to play his game, whatever that is. He wanted him to stop trying to impress. Haven’t seen a damn thing this guy offers that an AHLer couldn’t give.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Is that really how they are calculating this?
Because a shot that misses the net has zero chance of going in - can that really be called a scoring chance.

If you allow 30 breakaways that all happen to miss the net, would you say you gave up 0 scoring chances and played a flawless defensive game?

 

[Sypher04]

If you allow 30 breakaways that all happen to miss the net, would you say you gave up 0 scoring chances and played a flawless defensive game?

Flawless absolutely not. But if a puck isn’t on net it literally cannot go in so it feels a little weird to count them as scoring chances.

I guess it really depends on the perspective though.
I’d say you gave up the potential of 30 scoring chances and the team getting the breakaways converted them into 0 actual scoring chances.

It’s an interesting discussion

 

[Martin Skoula]

Flawless absolutely not. But if a puck isn’t on net it literally cannot go in so it feels a little weird to count them as scoring chances.

I guess it really depends on the perspective though.
I’d say you gave up the potential of 30 scoring chances and the team getting the breakaways converted them into 0 scoring chances.

It’s an interesting discussion

Imo what the shooter does with the puck is irrelevant to your job as a defensive player, if they’re getting an uncontested shot from the slot you’ve failed at your job regardless of whether it’s Ovi or Stevie Wonder shooting. Every missed shot is one man’s ass away from being a clever deflection play, a playoff style goal.

 

[keonsbitterness]

We need to trade stolarz next year and try to get some piccs bacc

Why get rid a cheap tandem starter who is signed for another year?