Post-Game Talk: Hide the kids! (Islanders 4 Jets 0)

[Ggg99]

Blake wheeler earned $130,000 Canadian for this performance today.

“Earned” is generous. “Overpaid” is more like it.

 

[gojetsgo]

I guess that's possible...

NYI - bottom 6 has about 25-30 goals on the season - lets say ours has the same...

Their top six carried the play... why would the bottom six prevent our top guys from playing our fkn system? That's Maurice free for all out there... whey would the bottom six prevent our top guys from crashing the net? Or Scheif from back checking?

This is two games where they have pushed the Jets around. And they just did it with their best player out.

they didn't even play much better offensively this game and the first game we played them they didn't push the jets around... they won 2-1 and got a goal from their bottom six... they have also been searching for offense all year long it's why they traded for bo horvat when they were outside of the playoffs and they are still searching for offense... pointing to the islanders are a sign that you can win with a weak bottom six is a really weak argument...

 

[raideralex99]

Leafs doing the Jets a favor beating Kraken ... I think Flames over take the Kraken if Markstrom gets back his mojo.
On a positive note Rangers broke their 3 game losing streak today beating the Kings.
Guess who is on a 3 game losing streak playing the Kings their next game?

 

[GNP]

“Earned” is generous. “Overpaid” is more like it.

I think that should be changed to "way overpaid". That gets me to thinking, if you renew Scheifele, better make sure you don't overpay him. He's been invisible these last 10 games, and is not driving the play like he used too. I'm not sure what the Jets should do here, because he'd bring in a ton of great young prospects.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Blake wheeler earned $130,000 Canadian for this performance today.

For those wondering, Blake had 17:34 of ice time today. The above breaks down as $7,647.06 for every minute of ice time, and $123.34 for every second of ice time.

For every second of ice time, he earned more than a person working 8 hours at Manitoba minimum wage.

Have a nice day at work tomorrow, everyone.

 

[WolfHouse]

they didn't even play much better offensively this game and the first game we played them they didn't push the jets around... they won 2-1 and got a goal from their bottom six... they have also been searching for offense all year long it's why they traded for bo horvat when they were outside of the playoffs and they are still searching for offense... pointing to the islanders are a sign that you can win with a weak bottom six is a really weak argument...

You missed my point.

The Islanders are a wild card team in the east... they are a similar team to the Jets in terms of points - not sure they'll make the playoffs but they are playing with urgency.

We were not 'in' either of these games - Isles special teams worked harder, they crashed the net, they back checked and they played their system. The Isles and Jets basically run the same system... except this team stopped listening to their coach.

Getting bitchslapped by the rolling Avs is hard to take but understandable... not even trying against the mirror image of your roster (minus their top C) is panic button.

Teams do not just quit playing when they're at the top of the standings for no reason - something happened.

For those wondering, Blake had 17:34 of ice time today. The above breaks down as $7,647.06 for every minute of ice time, and $123.34 for every second of ice time.

Have a nice day at work tomorrow, everyone.

Hey cmon... his agent, etc will take a bunch of that - he probably only made $75 a second.

 

[jungles]

Meet the new Jets, same as the old Jets. I assume. I was at my 12 year-old's playoff game, which I can only guess was better hockey.

 

[Ggg99]

I quit.

 

[Howard Chuck]

It’s very possible as well.
Then it leads me to wonder how much this organization is in tune with what is going on and why they seem reluctant to correct it.

We have a vezina caliber goaltender, a norris caliber Dman, Scheifele, KC, Ehlers, Dubois (perfetti when he was healthy). That should be the core of a VERY good team. Hell, we were better when some of them were injured and not playing.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark, and someone needs to figure it out. All that talent and we are completely unprepared to start a game and work hard for 3 periods. Is it laziness? Lack of ambition?

All I know is that I lose interest fast when the team isn't trying as hard as they could be. They can work hard and lose and that is fine, but when they display a lack interest so do I.

 

[gojetsgo]

You missed my point.

The Islanders are a wild card team in the east... they are a similar team to the Jets in terms of points - not sure they'll make the playoffs but they are playing with urgency.

We were not 'in' either of these games - Isles special teams worked harder, they crashed the net, they back checked and they played their system. The Isles and Jets basically run the same system... except this team stopped listening to their coach.

Getting bitchslapped by the rolling Avs is hard to take but understandable... not even trying against the mirror image of your roster (minus their top C) is panic button.

Teams do not just quit playing when they're at the top of the standings for no reason - something happened.

please explain to me how we weren't in the first islanders game... a game that was 1-1 where they took the lead in the final 10 mins of the game...

they didn't stop playing the system and stopped listening to bowness, we still play with structure outside of a few games... the problem is our top 6 is snakebitten and we have no secondary scoring, you can not win in this league with out depth... and please don't mention the islanders again, they traded for horvat, they are still looking for more scoring and the only reason they are currently in a wild card spot in the east is because they played more games then the teams behind them

 

[ThinIce61]

So. Time to panic yet or do we just keep saying "can't win them all, on to the next one"?

 

[Howard Chuck]

please explain to me how we weren't in the first islanders game... a game that was 1-1 where they took the lead in the final 10 mins of the game...

they didn't stop playing the system and stopped listening to bowness, we still play with structure outside of a few games... the problem is our top 6 is snakebitten and we have no secondary scoring, you can not win in this league with out depth... and please don't mention the islanders again, they traded for horvat, they are still looking for more scoring and the only reason they are currently in a wild card spot in the east is because they played more games then the teams behind them

I don' buy the 'snakebitten' explanation. They are playing with no heart or drive. It's almost like they don't care to win. Watching the Avs last night was amazing. Even if we didn't win, but played with that heart and drive, I'd be happy. For some reason, they aren't hitting, fighting for pucks, taking that extra step to win a battle, etc.....

 

[WolfHouse]

please explain to me how we weren't in the first islanders game... a game that was 1-1 where they took the lead in the final 10 mins of the game...

they didn't stop playing the system and stopped listening to bowness, we still play with structure outside of a few games... the problem is our top 6 is snakebitten and we have no secondary scoring, you can not win in this league with out depth... and please don't mention the islanders again, they traded for horvat, they are still looking for more scoring and the only reason they are currently in a wild card spot in the east is because they played more games then the teams behind them

We can agree to disagree. I don't see the forwards back checking like they did in Nov/early December. I don't see us getting net front presence.

We are back to a perimeter team and a team where D pinches with no support - that's the complete opposite of the system that brought us success.

The team is not 'snake-bitten'... they just became a perimeter team that overpasses - that's called 'not listening to your coach'.

 

[Jetsfan79]

The tin foil hat part of me is starting to wonder if there is something to this "Montreal incident ' or at least some sort of crisis happening in the dressing room. I wonder if this issue and the Bronx cheers he got in his last game has caused Helle to be really pissed or discouraged . And that is the real reason he didn't play today.

And Bowness's post game presser had some red flags . It felt very Maurice like. As if he thinks the team is so fragile, that his usual hard stance would do more harm than good at this point.

I sincerely hope I'm reading this wrong and I'm just being paranoid.

 

[Jet]

I see everyone is taking the loss well

 

[Jets 31]

Just got home from the game, that was absolutely awful today out there, to come out at home playing that shity is absolutely awful . They looked absolutely lost out there today, i gave them a standing ovation when we finally got a shot on net. Man Bowness has his work cut out for him to try and figure this out and he has to do it fast.

 

[Jet]

We can agree to disagree. I don't see the forwards back checking like they did in Nov/early December. I don't see us getting net front presence.

We are back to a perimeter team and a team where D pinches with no support - that's the complete opposite of the system that brought us success.

The team is not 'snake-bitten'... they just became a perimeter team that overpasses - that's called 'not listening to your coach'.

This is it. Right here.

The team stopped doing what was leading to wins and they're so f***ing stubborn they want to keep doing what hasn't worked for years.

If this doesn't turn around I'd be looking to move some core pieces and the first one would be Mark Schiefele. He produces but he's a selfish hockey player.

 

[surixon]

It's pretty much the same team as LY - playing the same way as LY (other than games under the Bonus boost early one).
They are playing pretty much the same as LY -
I think at least we might concede, that the team's fortunes LY, were not necessarily based on the coaching.
I don't expect many to actually concede that - but objectively, it's hard to ignore.

I wanted to see what a new coach could do and he's had a positive impact on team defense and on the PK and some individual players. But some of the same bad habits with this core are still on display.

I think most of our players are too one dimensional (that goes for both offensive and defensive).

Conner is essentially who he is a dominant player in the ozone but sub par I'm the other zones. He can be insulated with good two way play by the C (something he was getting earlier thus year but no longer). Scheifele has gone back to cheating and extending his shifts, Wheeler has just flat out aged out and Ehlers hasn't looked the same since his surgery. Dubois though is an enigma, busts his ass for the first half of each of this and last year and fades hard the last third. I have to wonder if it's conditioning.

On the defensive side Lowry is a fourth liner being played above his current performance and he keeps getting pp time.. then throw in our other waiver guys coming down to earth and we are where we are at.

Honestly it might be time to move out the longest serving leaders on this team and hard reset the room there as well.

 

[Truenorthducky]

Playoff spot is slip sliding away, team has gone into the shitter.

No need to worry winnipeg sports talk said relax people on Friday. We are in second place and some web site has us 90 percent making playoffs lol

 

[None]

This is it. Right here.

The team stopped doing what was leading to wins and they're so f***ing stubborn they want to keep doing what hasn't worked for years.

If this doesn't turn around I'd be looking to move some core pieces and the first one would be Mark Schiefele. He produces but he's a selfish hockey player.

Everyone's back to waiting for someone else to do the heavy lifting. The willingness to do the little things is gone.

 

[ThinIce61]

I see everyone is taking the loss well

I didn't watch, choosing to do something I enjoy instead but from the comments I'd say it's not so much the loss itself but how we lost not only this game but many of the recent games we've lost. There does appear to be something rotten in the state of Denmark. If we are able to make the playoffs and right now I don't feel that is a certainty, the way we are playing, the opponent won't matter. We will be out in the first round.

 

[gojetsgo]

from listening to bowness it sounds like he regrets starting dave also wasn't even a question if nino is going in the top six

 

[BigZ65]

This is it. Right here.

The team stopped doing what was leading to wins and they're so f***ing stubborn they want to keep doing what hasn't worked for years.

If this doesn't turn around I'd be looking to move some core pieces and the first one would be Mark Schiefele. He produces but he's a selfish hockey player.

It's Dubois for me.

The intermittent effort between whistles with or without the puck combined with the fake tough shit after the whistles is embarrassing. Today he goes after Mayfield on an offside when we have a PP. Takes himself out of the game for five minutes. Pure stupidity, real "coach's kid" vibe in the worst way. I wish they'd sit him in the press box for a game for that kind of shit.

The guy has never made a commitment here and mostly just stoked the rumours that he's unwilling to. Schiefele has.

That lottery win for us to move up to #2 in 2016 has turned into a long-term curse. We've been stuck with an enigma at forward we're relying on to produce since then. At least when Laine was here Schiefele and Wheeler were still good enough to carry the team.

 

[Jets 31]

Guys look like they aren't even trying out there sometimes, it's frustrating to watch. I don't mind losing if we are working our ass's off but that's not remotely happening. And they should decline all penalties because our PP is lost out there.

 

[WolfgangPuck]

Losing faith in the Jets and tune out after seeing there was only 1 shot in the 1st
Helly and Morrissey are the ones carrying the team. If either are out or injuries it’s going be tough cheering the Jets the rest of the season.