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Waived: Hickey (NYI) & Clune (NSH) Claimed from Waivers
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Doesn't matter, he's by far a better asset at this point. Whether he would have played for us or been traded he would have brought more value than Hickey.
But the books closed on that problem, any mistakes made prior to this season are forgivable.
kingsfan28
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Hickey is defensively solid and better offensively than AMart.
Edit: Oops, I meant to say Alzner, not Hickey.
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Ollie Weeks
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It wont bother me too much that we let him go, same as Moulson. I'd be more happy for him sticking it to everyone around the boards who've been poopooing him since he was drafted.
You know what just made me smile?
The fact that nobody here is even talking about the fact that Rich Clune was traded for Lauri Tukonen. If memory serves we were all flipping out that a #11 pick got traded for a third rounder. I remember a 250 post thread about that. Oh man people were pissed. Especially Squid ... but he got mad about everything.
We used to complain that our first round picks we're being traded for junk because the entire rest of the draft was garbage. I mean NOW Scott Parse has played some NHL games ... but back then ... wow that whole 2004 was a DISASTER. Now we get mad our drafts churn out ONLY 3(!!!!!) legit NHLers.
Winning the cup is so awesome.
The fact that nobody here is even talking about the fact that Rich Clune was traded for Lauri Tukonen. If memory serves we were all flipping out that a #11 pick got traded for a third rounder. I remember a 250 post thread about that. Oh man people were pissed. Especially Squid ... but he got mad about everything.
We used to complain that our first round picks we're being traded for junk because the entire rest of the draft was garbage. I mean NOW Scott Parse has played some NHL games ... but back then ... wow that whole 2004 was a DISASTER. Now we get mad our drafts churn out ONLY 3(!!!!!) legit NHLers.
Winning the cup is so awesome.
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TonySCV
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Hickey at 4 = no bueno. Martinez at 95 = gold. It's a crap shoot. You never know. 3 NHLers out of a single draft is excellent. Most clubs are lucky to get 2.
Eagle Fang
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KingLB
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Disagree, a player loses value when they rot in the A. Not to start a whole debate here. But guys like Alzner are still not worth top 10 picks imo. IDC how bad the Hickey pick mighta turned out for the Kings, the Caps didn't get good value for that pick. You can't when you draft such a limited player.
Its the same reason the Kings were able to acquire Quincy. Det wanted him, but rules are in place to help guys that are "ready" but stuck behind others to finally get their chance. Thats what happened here.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Agreed,
Wasn't a huge fan of taking Alzner either, just like with Teubert the next year, you really want to be getting something more than that with a first round pick. Now, Alzner is not a flop like Teubert, in fact he is a really solid 3rd pairing defender, but is that what you want with a Top 4 pick?
I wanted Voracek or Gagner that year, and neither one of them has panned out. In hindsight the Kings should have traded down, but there really probably wasn't much demand for the #4 pick in a draft that was considered to be heavily weighted towards the top 3 in Kane, JVR and Turris.
Wasn't a huge fan of taking Alzner either, just like with Teubert the next year, you really want to be getting something more than that with a first round pick. Now, Alzner is not a flop like Teubert, in fact he is a really solid 3rd pairing defender, but is that what you want with a Top 4 pick?
I wanted Voracek or Gagner that year, and neither one of them has panned out. In hindsight the Kings should have traded down, but there really probably wasn't much demand for the #4 pick in a draft that was considered to be heavily weighted towards the top 3 in Kane, JVR and Turris.
damacles1156
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Well it looks like the Kings learned a lesson with those reach picks.
Cause Tanner Pearson looks pretty damn good in Manchester.
Cause Tanner Pearson looks pretty damn good in Manchester.
KingLB
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damacles1156
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Meh Simmonds was a reach....
Reaches are fine in the second round.
But yikes the Kings reach picks in the first round have been awful.
Glad they went with a kid this last year that warranted the pick.
kypredsfan
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Funny enough, that's what we were saying when Tootoo got signed with Detroit this past summer. Atleast Clune is dirt cheap and may get a chance to play when guys get hurt. I don't believe he will play much of a part though.
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GKJ
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Simmonds being a reach is ok because it was the 2nd round, not the 1st/
Lombardi was trying to be the smartest person in the room drafting Hickey. It didn't work when Wheeler was drafted, nor Scott Glennie. Lombardi is fortunate that he made it work without Hickey, because he was a few weeks from being fired, and Hickey over Alzner would have been Exhibit A. It was an easy thing to get right, and he didn't. He was fortunate Alec Martinez is going to turn out to be one of the 5 best defensemen from that draft (one filled with defensemen who are busts)
Lombardi was trying to be the smartest person in the room drafting Hickey. It didn't work when Wheeler was drafted, nor Scott Glennie. Lombardi is fortunate that he made it work without Hickey, because he was a few weeks from being fired, and Hickey over Alzner would have been Exhibit A. It was an easy thing to get right, and he didn't. He was fortunate Alec Martinez is going to turn out to be one of the 5 best defensemen from that draft (one filled with defensemen who are busts)
kingsfan
President of the Todd McLellan fan club by default
Again...opinion isn't proof, just like I have my own opinion that if Hickey was kept past camp he'd have trade value. You don't agree. That's fine. We can debate this until Hickey scores 93 goals in a season, let's just agree to disagree.
As I have said before, I'd have been shocked if they gave Hickey a spot over A- Mart when A-Mart was recalled as Hickey was still recovering from the knee injury that cost him almost a full season and he wasn't fully game ready yet. How is that Hickey's fault?
As for Voynov, the guy is a legit NHL d-man, arguably a top 4 on some teams, and by all accounts Hickey was neck-in-neck with him at the 2011 trainging camp (the last one we've had btw) and I have yet to hear a Manchester fan yet say Voynov was better than Hickey this year in Manchester. Once again, no proof, but my speculation is that if Hickey had a smaller cap hit last year and if Voynov wasn't threatening to go back to Russia if he didn't make the NHL roster, we may have seen Hickey beat him out.
Congrats. I do as well take in their input. I also recognize that some of our posters have a bit more credibility than others, and I will take into account their assessments, especially those who watch him first hand. They've typically been a good source of evaluation in the face of general fan bias on this forum towards certain players, positive or negative. If they would have been saying Hickey sucks all season, I'd be on your side of the coin and gladly waiving adieu to Hickey.
Management doesn't always make the right decision. If any fanbase should know that, it's the Kings fan base.
No offense to the Islanders fans and the teams defense, but I agree completely (barring injury).
kingsfan
President of the Todd McLellan fan club by default
Fill me on Peluso TG. What's the big hype? I haven't seen him play, only know his stats, which aren't all that impressive, but I also know stats don't tell the full story. I trust your judgement, so fill me in please.
Why does everyone think they can't send him down? They can so send him down, just he has to be cleared through waivers again, including the team that lost him. Not likely it would happen, I agree, but we can send him down.
I agree on Hickey and Glennie, but not Wheeler. He was the wildcard of the draft and while some said he was a 2nd round talent, others figured he'd go as high as top 10. At this point, he's scored the 17th most points of anyone from his draft year and he's likely to improve upon that considering some of the guy ahead of him have played as much as 229 more NHL games than he has thus far. If you go by points per game, he ranks approximately 12th and has nearly an identical points per game as Travis Zajac.
Looking just at those drafted around where he was expected to go (1st round through to pick 40) he ranks 9th in points and 7th in points per game. He's actually scored at a better pace than Andrew Ladd (4th overall pick) and is coming off his best NHL season yet by far with 64 points, making him the Jets top scorer last year.
Considering the draft class he was in, yeah maybe #5 was to high but he was definately worth a top 10 pick.
tigermask48
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That makes sense. Just seems like there had to be a better option than a career AHLer that now is stuck on an NHL roster for a month. I do get that Nashville is trying to replace Tootoo, but it just seems like they could have had a better option. But best of luck to him and the Sabres, hope it works out as I loved Clune's interviews while he was here and hope it works out for him.
Ziggy Stardust
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Jets claimed Peluso, not that I was expecting the Kings to pick him up as there is no room for him on this roster nor should they force themselves to make room for him with the depth they have on the pro roster. Might have fit in well with Manchester, but that's not doing Peluso any favors if he's looking for an opportunity with an NHL club.
Carlzner
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Hate to burst you guys' bubble, but Alzner has been playing on our top pairing for 2+ seasons now... Almost every Caps fan will agree that he's our best Defenseman.
etherialone
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Here's what I have written in my notes on Anothy Peluso last season "skates well for a fourth liner and makes solid decisions on how to get into position to make a big hit. Doesn't hang himself or his team mates out to dry looking to make a name for himself".
He is a lesser skilled version of Jordan Nolan imo all save one area and that is he can fight if needed and really handle himself. So he is more than a goon but really ideally suited to 4rth line play. We can do without him but I would have liked us to get him due to his grit more than anything.
A hybrid enforcer type for the new less pugilistic NHL that can play honest 4rth line minutes and still drop the gloves on occasion. Not a "staged fight fighter" but more of a solid fourth liner who can fight really well.
Nolan is a more than competent fighter and better everywhere else over AP so my thinking was that having both of those guys on our 4rth line would give us allot of intimidation both physically and in play too.
Were fine without him, maybe better off but I do like the kids game and think he will be a good option for WPG should they keep him.
Peluso is almost a heavyweight. He has guys like Bollig, Leblond, Wade Brookbank, Kip Brennan, and Matt Kassian on his fight card and he has beaten some of them. Nolan does not fight those type guys...he is more of a light heavy/middleweight....Peluso has even beaten Eric Godard. Nolan's biggest fight in the AHL was versus Brett Gallant and he lost.
But, yes Nolan has better numbers in the AHL. Peluso has scored only 5 goals max in the AHL, where as Nolan scored 9 in only 40 games.
But, yes Nolan has better numbers in the AHL. Peluso has scored only 5 goals max in the AHL, where as Nolan scored 9 in only 40 games.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Wherever Alzner plays, the fact remains, the Kings needed to swing for the fences with that pick, not go for a ground rule double. It didn't work out, but the thinking behind the pick wasn't that bad. Perhaps the only thing to fault is going defenseman over some of the forwards available.
Still to this day have no idea what the Kings were thinking the next year, that pick was by far Dean's worst as Kings GM, and it's not even close. Kings missed out on a ton more quality players in 2008 than they did in 2007. People just see the #4 pick and don't realize 2007 wasn't that great, where as 2008 was a loaded draft.
Still to this day have no idea what the Kings were thinking the next year, that pick was by far Dean's worst as Kings GM, and it's not even close. Kings missed out on a ton more quality players in 2008 than they did in 2007. People just see the #4 pick and don't realize 2007 wasn't that great, where as 2008 was a loaded draft.
