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[Honour Over Glory]

Also I gotta add a personal gripe, usually animation studios use fellow brits for their accent, but to use Ella Purnell and have her do an American accent is weird. When you're acting in live action, sure that makes sense, but voice acting? I thought that was odd. That's like hiring Michael Caine to do a voice acting role and he's doing a Southern Kentucky bloke. At that point you're just fame whoring for the name.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Also I gotta add a personal gripe, usually animation studios use fellow brits for their accent, but to use Ella Purnell and have her do an American accent is weird. When you're acting in live action, sure that makes sense, but voice acting? I thought that was odd. That's like hiring Michael Caine to do a voice acting role and he's doing a Southern Kentucky bloke. At that point you're just fame whoring for the name.

Ella Purnell wasn't really a name when they made this show though was she? I never heard of her until Fallout aside from reading the IMDB for Arcane. And she does a fantastic job so it certainly doesn't feel like anything but picking someone to do a great job. Hell if anything Hailee Steinfeld would be the fame whoring pick, but again, she does a hell of a job so I don't see any issue with it.

I mean Jinx is sort of having that arc as well, closer to Pinkman I think...

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She does bad but then she also helps others around her, so it's not like she's entirely bad either. I think when Isha tries to save Jinx, even Vi can see that and tries to get Caitlyn to stop, so the parts of her that she still sees as Powder are still there, it's why Vi can't let go, for all the times Jinx does evil shit, she also shows her "Powder" side and Vi can't help but think she's still someone she can save as she already feels like she pushed her into becoming Jinx by leaving her that night before she got arrested.

Caitlyn to me is the one that has a vision and is sticking to it, she wants to kill Jinx and make her pay and she's hell bent on doing it, meanwhile Jinx and Vi are always flipping back and forth with what needs to be done and allowing past history to dictate how the react to things. I mean the way Jinx interacts with Isha, again, she's not as bad as they make her out to be, she just plays in the gray area a ton and then does evil shit here and there. Like her making the arm for Sevika. Jinx is more just a sad figure with a Daddy complex and misses her sister but has some severe mental health issues with her personality disorder or whatever they're alluding to, because parts of Jinx are still Powder and it's the inner turmoil she has each time she sees Vi and then gets jealous because she thinks Caitlyn has taken her spot, when really Vi has the hots for Caitlyn and it's not even like that. In any case, I don't think Jinx is the full on baddie, I think if anything Caitlyn maybe has that side to her more because her morality (moral compass, etc) is more cut and dry vs Vi and Jinx's.

I think a great turn for making you think they're half bad to full bad is The Penguin, that turn by Oz is just absolutely ruthless, it's the kind of villain you always hoped a tv show or movie would finally f***ing do, that isn't in some gore genre that is.

Spoiler: Arcane

She is doing much worse than Pinkman ever did though. Like she's a full on terrorist who has killed a LOT of people. Just because she's not indiscriminately evil to everybody she meets doesn't make her not a villain.

I agree she's not purely evil. She was clearly not an evil kid and has been corrupted by trauma, psychosis, Silco grooming her to be a terrorist, and magic crazy drug saving her life. But even on the bridge with Ekko, after she killed like 20 people, Ekko saw his friend in there for a second and hesitated and her immediate reaction was to blow them both up.

I fully agree on your take of Vi's view of her. And Caitlin, especially now after Jinx killed her mom.

But at this point regardless of the reasons (and there are many and they are real) Jinx has done too much bad shit to be less than a villain I think. She's not coming out fixed at this point imo. She's a tragic villain, but still a villain imo. Much more so than Pinkman. She's like if Pinkman killed Gale and decided he liked it and just kept doing that shit.

I am loving her friendship with Sevika and Isha though. I loved them actually having a fun scene that didn't end in tragedy with the new arm bit.

And I love the Penguin. He is just a well done pure villain for sure. Just him feeling less-than his whole life and making villain choices to get ahead.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Ella Purnell wasn't really a name when they made this show though was she? I never heard of her until Fallout aside from reading the IMDB for Arcane. And she does a fantastic job so it certainly doesn't feel like anything but picking someone to do a great job. Hell if anything Hailee Steinfeld would be the fame whoring pick, but again, she does a hell of a job so I don't see any issue with it.

Spoiler: Arcane

She is doing much worse than Pinkman ever did though. Like she's a full on terrorist who has killed a LOT of people. Just because she's not indiscriminately evil to everybody she meets doesn't make her not a villain.

I agree she's not purely evil. She was clearly not an evil kid and has been corrupted by trauma, psychosis, Silco grooming her to be a terrorist, and magic crazy drug saving her life. But even on the bridge with Ekko, after she killed like 20 people, Ekko saw his friend in there for a second and hesitated and her immediate reaction was to blow them both up.

I fully agree on your take of Vi's view of her. And Caitlin, especially now after Jinx killed her mom.

But at this point regardless of the reasons (and there are many and they are real) Jinx has done too much bad shit to be less than a villain I think. She's not coming out fixed at this point imo. She's a tragic villain, but still a villain imo. Much more so than Pinkman. She's like if Pinkman killed Gale and decided he liked it and just kept doing that shit.

I am loving her friendship with Sevika and Isha though. I loved them actually having a fun scene that didn't end in tragedy with the new arm bit.

And I love the Penguin. He is just a well done pure villain for sure. Just him feeling less-than his whole life and making villain choices to get ahead.

She was building up a decent amount yeah, she had already done Sweetbitter, Churchill, Miss Peregrine's, Maleficent, Kick Ass 2, Ordeal by Innocence, Belgravia, and that Snyder Army of the Dead movie on Netflix. She had Arcane come out a week before she was in Yellowjackets I think or maybe the same time? She was a known actress and if anything, Yellowjackets pushed her into the spotlight more in America before she got Fallout. She's also good in Sweetpea.

Ella was like a better Imogen Poots, essentially. The range Poots lacked, Purnell had.

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We are 3 episodes in for Season 2, the next 3 come out in 2 days and then the final 3. So in 6 episodes, a lot can change with Jinx. I think they're positioning her to kind of be redeemed in some way. And yeah I do like the dynamics of Isha, Sevika and Jinx, kind of has a weird mentor/mentee thing possibly with Isha and Jinx and the family dynamic of Sisterhood with Jinx and Sevika.

 

[Ogrezilla]

She was building up a decent amount yeah, she had already done Sweetbitter, Churchill, Miss Peregrine's, Maleficent, Kick Ass 2, Ordeal by Innocence, Belgravia, and that Snyder Army of the Dead movie on Netflix. She had Arcane come out a week before she was in Yellowjackets I think or maybe the same time? She was a known actress and if anything, Yellowjackets pushed her into the spotlight more in America before she got Fallout. She's also good in Sweetpea.

Ella was like a better Imogen Poots, essentially. The range Poots lacked, Purnell had.

I don't think your highlight credit being the lead in a short series nobody has heard of and being like 4-8th billed in some mediocre projects puts you in name whoring range though. I am confident that even today she's not a particularly widely known name in terms of hollywood, and still much less known than Steinfeld. Either way, she does a great job. If Michael Caine played a southern kentucky bloke as well as she plays Jinx I wouldn't be at all upset. PS: That reminds me that Daniel Craig plays a great southern kentucky style bloke in both logan lucky and knives out, though that's live action

And I have no clue who Imogen Poots is. I looked her up and I still don't know who that is.

We are 3 episodes in for Season 2, the next 3 come out in 2 days and then the final 3. So in 6 episodes, a lot can change with Jinx. I think they're positioning her to kind of be redeemed in some way. And yeah I do like the dynamics of Isha, Sevika and Jinx, kind of has a weird mentor/mentee thing possibly with Isha and Jinx and the family dynamic of Sisterhood with Jinx and Sevika.

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Yeah I'm curious where it goes. I don't see any way she can go back to just being a normal person though. I think she either dies or is just still murdering as the next Silco in the end. But I'll say I certainly didn't see things going how they did to end ep 3 especially with Cait, so who the hell knows. I'm also curious if they pick right up or if there's some time jump between chapters like between ep 3 and 4 of S1.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Ah yes Americans and their lack of knowledge of shows and actors especially outside of the US, where a show on BBC is met with "Yah mean that porno channel?"

Philistines...

 

[Ogrezilla]

Ah yes Americans and their lack of knowledge of shows and actors especially outside of the US, where a show on BBC is met with "Yah mean that porno channel?"

Philistines...

to be clear I am absolutely a philistine when it comes to most foreign stuff. There's too much easily accessible American stuff for me to dig too far into it. But also I think it kinda proves my point about how well known she is/was as a name because I promise I still know more about British TV/Movies than the vast majority of Americans. Which again, isn't all that much.

She just really wasn't in a big role in anything widely seen before 2021 though, whether its because we're philistines really isn't important . Her biggest was 5 years earlier in Miss Peregrine where she's like 7th billed.