HFNYR Top 10 Wingers in Rangers History Preliminary Discussion Thread

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Sorry, but your disagreement with one poster does not make this project pointless. Far from it. Jagr is arguably the greatest winger in NHL history. That being said, he was a Ranger for 3.5 seasons. IMO, he doesn't have a Rangers resume that a quite a few other wingers have put together in a Rangers uniform. Putting Jagr near the top of the list would be akin to putting Gretzky near the top of the list of greatest Rangers centers.

Jagr and Hextall are going to be interesting debates come voting time. Jagr because of his short but explosive tenure. Hextall because he dominated an era that didn't have many noteworthy stars.

Yeah, no it wouldn't. Gretzky isn't the single-season goals and points leader for the franchise; Jagr is.

New York Rangers records

Most single-season goals (2005–06) – 54
Most single-season points (2005–06) – 123
Most single-season power-play goals (2005–06) – 24
Most single-season shots on goal (2005–06) – 368
Most single-season game-winning goals (2005–06) – 9 (Tied with Mark Messier 1996–97 and Don Murdoch 1980–81)
Most single-season assists by a right wing (2005–06) – 69
 
Yeah, no it wouldn't. Gretzky isn't the single-season goals and points leader for the franchise; Jagr is.

New York Rangers records

Most single-season goals (2005–06) – 54
Most single-season points (2005–06) – 123
Most single-season power-play goals (2005–06) – 24
Most single-season shots on goal (2005–06) – 368
Most single-season game-winning goals (2005–06) – 9 (Tied with Mark Messier 1996–97 and Don Murdoch 1980–81)
Most single-season assists by a right wing (2005–06) – 69

All of which are single season records which happened in one single season and don't take into account era at all.
 
Lynn Patrick

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Tenure:
11 seasons (1935-1946)
231 Wins 262 Losses 91 Ties

Awards and Achievements:
Stanley Cup Champion (1940)
2 x Stanley Cup Finalist (1937, 1940)

First Team All-Star (1942)
Second Team All-Star (1943)

Hart Voting – 3rd(1942)

Scoring:
NHL Points – 2nd(1941), 2nd(1942), 4th(1943)
NHL Goals – 1st(1942), 5th(1941)
NHL Assists – 6th(1941), 7th(1943)

Play-off Points – 5th(1935), 10th(1940)
Play-off Goals – 3rd(1937), 4th(1935)
Play-off Assists – 4th(1935)

Patrick's NHL prime was from 1938 to 1943. Here is where he ranks within those years:
5th in Points (behind Hextall)
5th in Goals (behind Hextall)
4th in Assists

Not going to lie though. He has awful playoff numbers. 4 games, 16 points. His peak 1942 season: 6 games, 1 goal, 0 assists. Might be explained by his reputation for being "soft".

Further insight gathered by vecens24:

Legends of Hockey
Lynn Patrick was the son of Hall of Famer Lester Patrick and grew up on Canada's West Coast while his father operated the Pacific Coast Hockey Association with Lynn's uncle, Frank Patrick. The Patricks would come to be known as "Hockey's Royal Family" but Lynn grew up in a mainly non-hockey environment and didn't play organized hockey until he moved to Montreal in his late teens.
He played with the Montreal Royals that season and was signed, rather reluctantly, by his father to a contract with the New York Rangers for the 1934-35 season. There were many charges of nepotism and Lynn had to endure more than his share of ridicule from the Rangers' fans and press. But, he persevered and was selected as the National Hockey League's First Team All-Star left wing in 1942 and was a Second Team selection in 1943. He was a member of the Rangers' 1940 Stanley Cup winning team and led the league with 32 goals two years later in 1941-42.

Joe Pelletier:
With the Colville brothers and Alex Shibicky supporting the line of Phil Watson, Lynn Patrick and Cecil Dillon, the fans were delighted and the slick passing style caught the fans imagination.
The following three seasons were Lynn's best. He tied with Bryan Hextall for the point scoring leader on the Rangers in 1940-41, scoring 20 goals for the first time in his career. The following year he hit his peak, as he scored a league leading 32 goals and made the 1st All-Star team. The Rangers finished first that year, the last time a Ranger team would do that in over a half century.
In 1942-43, the Rangers were devastated by World War II, losing many players to the armed forces. Lynn was still around this season and had a good year, scoring 22 goals and 61 points to finish fourth in NHL scoring and making the second all-star team. At least the Rangers had Lynn to smile about that year, as the Rangers were just terrible and finished last.

But it would be even more horrible for the Rangers in 1943-44. Lynn Patrick was headed for greatness, but World War II put an end to that dream as now Lynn joined the armed forces to end the Nazi threat. The Rangers scored little and gave up a whopping 6.20 goals per game in 1943-44. When Lynn came back to the Rangers, he could not regain his old form. After 1945-46 he was farmed out to New Haven where he became coach.

The New York Rangers: Broadway’s Longest Running Hit by John Kreisler and Lou Friedman
Lynn Patrick, who eventually went on to play on a high scoring line with Phil Watson and Bryan Hextall, joined the Rangers in 1934 – thought he admitted in Eric Whitehead’s book: The Patricks: Hockey’s Royal Family : “One man I did not impress (in training camp) was Lester. However, Bill and Bun Cook apparently saw something Lester didn’t and told him he’d be crazy not to sign me.†It took him a few games to show he was more than the coach’s son, but Lynn eventually became an All-Star.

Rangers Top 100 Book

Lynn Patrick (#27)

Virtually all professional athletes, including some of the Rangers' biggest stars, get booed at one time or another. But it's safe to say that left wing Lynn Patrick probably had the thickest skin of them all.

At six-feet, 200 pounds, Patrick had a better-than-average hockey body [...] He was a finesse player, prefer to dazzle on his skates and with his stick, eschewing the more robust exploit of some of his teammates, particularly the his rolllicking, hard-checking brother Muzz.

Madison Square Garden crowds often teased him with nicknames such as ''twinkletoes'' or ''Sonja'', the latter a reference to the world-famous figure skating star of the era, Sonja Henie. Patrick merely shrugged it off, much as he had criticism and doubt that came earlier from, of all places, within his own family.

As great as Lynn's athleticism was, his father, Lester, the boss of the New York Rangers at the time, simply didn't think Lynn could make it in the NHL. Veterans Bill and Bun Cook, plus Frank Boucher, through otherwise, and pestered Lester mightily enough that he finally signed his eldeest son to a contract in 1934.


Montreal Gazette, April 1, 1935
Lynn Patrick picked up the loose disc near the Maroons cage and, as Wentworth vainly tried to check him, flipped a quick shot to the corner that gave Connell no chance

Montreal Gazette, January 17, 1941
Hardly had they settled back in their seats when Lynn Patrick got his two goals, the first going off of Jack Crawford’s skate and the second aimed directly at the corner of the net.

The Windsor Daily Star: December 26, 1935
Lynn Patrick, speedy son of Rangers’ manager Lester Patrick, clinched the game with a brilliant solo rush.

Kings of Ice
Lynn was a smooth skater and strong puck carrier and the more refined of the two (Muzz Patrick) [...] He was solid workmanlike player in his first five years in the league.
 
Cecil Dillon

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Tenure:
9 seasons (1931-1939)
199 Wins 157 Losses 72 Ties

Awards and Achievements:
Stanley Cup Champion (1933)
3 x Stanley Cup Finalist (1932, 1933, 1937)

First Team All-Star (1938)
2 x Second Team All-Star (1936, 1937)

Conn Smythe Winner* (1933)

Scoring:
NHL Points – 4th(1934), 4th(1938)
NHL Goals – 2nd(1935), 4th(1938), 6th(1932), 6th(1933), 6th(1936), 6th(1937)
NHL Assists – 3rd(1934)

Play-off Points – 1st(1933)
Play-off Goals – 1st(1933), 9th(1932)
Play-off Assists - 5th(1937), 6th(1933)

Dillon's NHL prime was from 1932 to 1938. Here is where he ranks within those years:
5th in Points
4th in Goals

7th in Play-off Points
3rd in Play-off Goals

* Dillon was retroactively awarded the Conn Smythe by a society of Canadian hockey historians, whose work was featured and supported by the HHOF. In the 1933 Stanley Cup Playoffs he scored 8 goals, which was an NHL record that stood for 12 years before Jean Beliveau broke it.

Further insight gathered by EagleBelfour:

Legends of Hockey
Dillon was a model of consistency, not missing a single game in eight years.

Joe Pelletier's Greatest Hockey Legends
Playing in the shadows of the likes of Frank Boucher and Cook brothers, Bill and Bun, it is easy to understand how a player like Cecil Dillon was one of the most underrated players of his day.

A right winger with a left handed shot, Dillon made a name for himself early playing on a line with Butch Keeling and Murray Murdoch. The trio were instrumental in the Rangers' 1933 Stanley Cup championship, especially Dillon. In 8 games he scored 8 goals and 10 points in 8 games, leading all NHLers in scoring. Had there been a playoff MVP award back then, Cecil Dillon was sure to have won it that spring.

Legends of Hockey; Conn Smythe Trophy Vote
Winger from the checking line was the dominant player in the playoffs. He had goals in his first five playoff games including the winner in the opener of the finals against Toronto, then picked up the first goal in a 3-2 loss to the Leafs and was selected one of the games stars in a 1-0 overtime winner for his work in holding the Primeau-Conacher-Jackson line to no goals in the final.

Bee Hive Hockey
As a right-winger with a scoring knack, "Ceece" lasted 10 seasons in the NHL with the Rangers New York Rangers (1930-39) and Red Wings Detroit Red Wings (1939-40). Five times he topped the 20-goal mark. He led the Rangers in goals 3 times and points 3 times. By the end of the 1930's he had become one of the top scorers in Rangers history.

1933-1934 V357 Ice Kings Hockey Cecil Dillon
The husky Rangers left wing player is recognized to have one of the deadliest shot in the National Hockey League.

The Border Cities Star;Rangers Slip Into Third Place as Falcons Lose 5-4 (02/06/1931)
In addition to these scoring feats, Dillon played a great defensive game and his clever checking helped the Blue Shirts on many occasion when penalties left them a man short.

The Vancouver Sun; Dillon is Rangers Star (12/28/1931)
Trailing 1-0 with less than six minutes remaining in the second period, Cecil Dillon, recruit winger from Springfield Indians, gave the Rangers the needed scoring punch when he terminated a four-man combination thrust with a hard shot, which clearly beat Gardiner.

Times Magazine (03/17/1933)
Dillon's two goals against Toronto, bringing his total to seven in the play-off series, set a record which was the more unusual in that he is a member of a second-string forward line that was supposed to be weak. In the preliminary series against the Montreal Canadiens and the Detroit Red Wings, he had helped eclipse the Rangers famed first-string forwards (Frank Boucher and the Cook brothers. Bill & Bun)

The Montreal Gazette; Rangers En Route to Series Final (03/06/1933)

Added to all this is the strong possibility play-off scoring records will be shattered by Cecil Dillon, black-thatched checking pest of Rangers.

It was little more than three years ago when Patrick decided Rangers needed the peppery, black haired youngster. [...] Dillon hasn't any apparent weaknesses on the ice.

The Lewiston Daily Sun; New York Wins handily Score 5-1; Big Crowd (04/05/1933)
Tall, black-haired young Cecil Dillon, again was the spear-head of the Ranger attack [...] Dillon scored two goals, his sixth and seventh of the play-offs, assisted Murdoch in another and fairly ran the Leafs ragged with his back-checking when penalties left his team shorthanded.

Dillon's individual skill brought the fourth goal and showed the Leafs how badly beaten they were. [...] Ching Johnson finally got the puck and drove it far down the ice where Dillon and Happy Day racing for it. Day got there first, but as he circled the net and circled down the ice again, Dillon caught up with him and hooked the puck nearly off his stick. The young Ranger feinted three times before the veteran Chabot finally plunged out of the goal mouth, then he swung neatly past the cage guardin and poked the disc home.

The Calgary Daily Herald; Detroit Pulls Up With Chicago as Toronto Climb (02/05/1936)
Dillon, who seldom the rise and fall of Ranger fortunes to affect his consistant scoring.

The Windsor Daily Star; Three Bruins make First Team in NHL All-Star Poll (03/21/1936)
In only two cases the voting was close for the first team. Conacher beat out speedy Cecil Dillon of the New York Rangers for right wing by a narrow margin.

Ottawa Citizen; Dillon First-Period Tally Wins it for Rangers over Wings (11/19/1936)
Cecil Dillon, speedy Rangers wingman.

The Montreal Gazette; Canadiens Score Twice in Overtime to Defeat Rangers (11/23/1936)
In the fourth minute, dangerous Cecil Dillon slapped home the tying goal.

The Montreal Gazette; Maroons succumb to 3rd whitewash (11/22/1937)
Then Cecil Dillon, Rangers' dangerous left hand shooting right winger, broke up the game with what proved to be the game winning goal. He did it all alone, swinging down the right side with two mates accompanying him as decoys on left wing. Dillon, known as an unselfish player, crossed up the Maroons defence by not passing, and stepped around Stew Evans to walk right in on Beveridge and score.

Cowley Climbing High in Scoring (01/25/1938)
Cecil Dillon, speedy, sleek-haired wingman of the New York Rangers, who has been rated one of the National Hockey League's best back-checkers ever since his debut in 1930, is coming to the front as a contender for the scoring title.

New York Times; Rangers Start Training; Dillon, 30, Is Oldest Player on Hockey Squad at Winnipeg (10/13/1938)
Only one member of the squad, the fast-skating Cecil Dillon, was 30 years old. The others were between 29 and 22.

New York Times; Dead-Shot Dillon, the Hawkeye of Hockey (01-18-1938)
ONE reason why the Rangers are doing a little better than all right for themselves on ice this season is that the Two-Gun Terror from Thornbury, Ont., Cecil Dillon, has his eye on the target again. Gordon Drillon of the whirling Maple Leafs is topping the league in scoring points, but Sharpshooter Cecil is tied for second place
 
Jaromir Jagr

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Tenure:
4 seasons (2004-2008)
155 Wins 166 Losses 7 Ties

Awards and Achievements:
No Stanley Cup Finals Appearances

First Team All-Star (2006)

Hart Voting - 2nd(2006)
Ted Lyndsay Winner (2006)

Scoring:
NHL Points – 2nd(2006), 8th(2007)
NHL Goals – 2nd(2006)
NHL Assists – 3rd(2006), 5th(2007)

Play-off Points – 10th(2008)
Play-off Assists - 10th(2008)

Jagr's Ranger prime was from 2004 to 2007. Here is where he ranks within those years:
2nd in Points (behind only Thornton)
5th in Goals (behind Kovalchuk, Cheechoo, Lecavalier, and Hossa)
2nd in Assists (behind only Thornton)

He was pretty much ppg in the playoffs but his teams didn't get far enough for him to reach Top 10 in scoring finishes in the playoffs.

Legends of Hockey
As a member of the New York Rangers, Jagr would appear in every regular-season game over three and a half remarkable seasons. He would re-establish a number of the clubs single season records and set a number of personal landmarks including his 1,500th point and his 600th NHL goal.

In his first of three seasons in the Big Apple, Jagr recorded a stunning 123 points and led the Rangers back into the NHL playoffs. After he was named captain of the club just prior to the start of the 2006-07 NHL season, Jagr would go on to record his fifteenth straight 30-goal season. In 2007-08, he tallied 71 points and led the Rangers back into the playoffs for the third time in as many seasons. However, after the Rangers eliminated their rivals in New Jersey, Jagr and the blueshirts were eliminated by the eventual Eastern Conference champion Pittsburgh Penguins.

Joe Pelletier
More importantly, he was able to, unlike so many other faded stars who found their way to Broadway late in their careers, re-establish himself as one of the game's greatest players, shaking off many of the labels of a greedy, disengaged enigma that hounded him over the previous few years.

The kid from Kladno found the love of the game again in New York, and his smile. The NHL found their love for J.J. again, too. In a New York minute.
 
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Tidbit:

Cecil Dillon was the only Rangers winger to ever win the Conn Smythe. Dillon set a new playoff scoring record in 1933 with 8 goals. Stood for 12 years until Jean Beliveau broke it.

Other Rangers to win it:

C - Boucher (1928)
C - Watson (1940)
G - Rayner (1950) Losing Effort
D - Leetch (1994)

Source
 
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Hey Crease: I'm in but just saw this thread for the first time. Looking forward to this and learning more about the old timers.
 
Yeah, no it wouldn't. Gretzky isn't the single-season goals and points leader for the franchise; Jagr is.

New York Rangers records

Most single-season goals (2005–06) – 54
Most single-season points (2005–06) – 123
Most single-season power-play goals (2005–06) – 24
Most single-season shots on goal (2005–06) – 368
Most single-season game-winning goals (2005–06) – 9 (Tied with Mark Messier 1996–97 and Don Murdoch 1980–81)
Most single-season assists by a right wing (2005–06) – 69

I thought the Gretzky comparison made sense. Gretzky had two seasons in NY where he led the league in assists and finished top 4 in points, and he also saw round three of the playoffs. Similar deals with him and Jagr: Excellent achievements for both guys, but for both guys it's still an insanely short tenure in NY.

But beyond super short tenures, I think you're losing sight of eras. Different eras had different season lengths, and vastly different rules and scoring results. Yes, Jagr had an amazing season and set the all-time team mark in goals, but in four different seasons Bill Cook averaged higher goals per game than Jagr did that year. But that only accounts for season length, and rules and era had a far bigger role. Back in the 1920s, for instance, there were numerous rules restricting passing and assists were only awarded if they primary, and even then they were awarded stringently. To put that into real numbers, here are the assists per goal ratios in 1925 NHL vs 2006 and today's NHL:

1924-25: 0.571 assists per goal (when Bill Cook played)
2005-06: 1.721 assists per goal (Jagr's big season)
2013-14: 1.716 assists per goal

When you look at that, and see how hard it was to come by points back then, it makes you realize how unreal it was that Bill Cook scored 1.34 pts/game in 1929-30. And you then fully understand his hockey-reference adjusted 145 pts for that 1929-30 season.

I will never diminish what Jagr did. But I also won't look at it in a vaccum either. He had one amazing season, but in his short time here he still scored fewer goals per game than Cook did, and Cook played 11 seasons to Jagr's 3.5. Not to mention Cook won two cups and three first team all stars to Jagr's one.

To each his own, but when I look at this personally, I am def going to take era and tenure and length of consistency into account, among many other factors.
 
I'm struggling a bit this one, but as of now I've got them broken up into the following groups (each one in no particular order)

Top 3:
Bathgate
Bill Cook
Gilbert

The next guys:
Bun Cook
Dillon
Fairburn
Hadfield
Hextall
Henry
Hickey
Graves
Jagr
Kovy
Nevin
Patrick
Vickers

Fighting it out for the last spots:
Gartner
Marshall
Murdoch
Johnstone
Sandstrom
Warwick

So, am I missing anyone I should be considering and should anyone be up a group (I realize that the middle group is huge)?
 
I'm struggling a bit this one, but as of now I've got them broken up into the following groups (each one in no particular order).

So, am I missing anyone I should be considering and should anyone be up a group (I realize that the middle group is huge)?

Idk man. I just started and can barely decide between Cook and Bathgate, let alone get to the rest of the players. Feels like you almost have to punish Bathgate for being on bad teams and not winning a cup, even tho he won a cup after leaving NY, showing he had it in him to do so on a decent team. So I've only looked at two guys and can't even decide between 'em. So I don't even have a top 3 yet lol
 
Yeah, no it wouldn't. Gretzky isn't the single-season goals and points leader for the franchise; Jagr is.

New York Rangers records

Most single-season goals (2005–06) – 54
Most single-season points (2005–06) – 123
Most single-season power-play goals (2005–06) – 24
Most single-season shots on goal (2005–06) – 368
Most single-season game-winning goals (2005–06) – 9 (Tied with Mark Messier 1996–97 and Don Murdoch 1980–81)
Most single-season assists by a right wing (2005–06) – 69


See, this is info that, for me, is both for and against Jagr. 2005-06 was a statistical aberration year. The refs called EVERYTHING coming out of the lockout with the new rules, and half the players in the league put up absurdly high career years. On the one hand, those guys had to be able to take advantage of those extra PPs and space. On the other hand, those numbers aren't really indicative of what those players were capable of in a "regular" season.

Case in point--Eric Staal is not a 100 point player. He never really has been. He's never been particularly close. He broke 100 points that season. Without 05/06 (and to a lesser extent the following season), a guy like Petr Prucha is a never was (and I loved Pruch, but he never would have made it a full season if not for that wide open year).

So yeah, Jagr (and Straka, Nylander, Hank and co) brought the Rangers out of the dark ages. Jags played well during his time here. But most of his accomplishments came during a season with no expectations where "accomplishments" were easy to come by. He proceeded to decline in each year following, to the point that people on here were excusing him by claiming that he "rests himself" during the regular season in order to be more fresh for the playoffs.

In short, while I will always love Jags for what he helped to do, and while his career (ie- Pittsburgh) sets him up with a better overall resume than some of these guys, there is no way I put his Rangers career ahead of guys like Bill or Bun Cook, Bathgate, Gilbert or Graves. There's just no way.
 
Idk man. I just started and can barely decide between Cook and Bathgate, let alone get to the rest of the players. Feels like you almost have to punish Bathgate for being on bad teams and not winning a cup, even tho he won a cup after leaving NY, showing he had it in him to do so on a decent team. So I've only looked at two guys and can't even decide between 'em. So I don't even have a top 3 yet lol

Just remember that precise ordering is more important in Round 2; Round 1 is just preliminary. So I wouldn't get too hung up, since both of them will be in vote 1 no matter what anyway.

I do have to say that my preconceived notion was that no one was going to come near Cook, and I was shocked by just how good Bathgate was. Once again proving that the NY Rangers absolutely SUCK at preserving its history.
 
I'm having a hard time putting Bathgate ahead of Cook but I'm wondering if I'm being too hard on him for being on those dreadful Rangers teams. Scoring 70 points in the O6 era was no small feat, and Bathgate did it more times than anyone but Gordie Howe and Jean Beliveau (tied). More times than Mikita, Richard, Bobby Hull, Geoffrion, Lindsay. Those are hockey legends. Whats doubly impressive is that he managed to do it despite having almost zero help in the lineup. How in the world did he manage to be top-5 in assists for eight years playing on the wing with zero supporting cast? As an example, in '56-'57 Bathgate had 50 assists while the leader amongst centers on the Rangers (Dave Creighton) had 21 assists. Bathgate led the team with 77 point, next closest was Andy Hebenton with 44 points.

The knock on Bathgate was that his Hart was undeserved and he disappeared in the playoffs. I'll have to do some more research.
 
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I'm struggling a bit this one, but as of now I've got them broken up into the following groups (each one in no particular order)

Top 3:
Bathgate
Bill Cook
Gilbert

The next guys:
Bun Cook
Dillon
Fairburn
Hadfield
Hextall
Henry
Hickey
Graves
Jagr
Kovy
Nevin
Patrick
Vickers

Fighting it out for the last spots:
Gartner
Marshall
Murdoch
Johnstone
Sandstrom
Warwick

So, am I missing anyone I should be considering and should anyone be up a group (I realize that the middle group is huge)?

Anders Hedberg was better than some on that list. So was Don Maloney.

Sandstrom and Gartner were better than Hickey and should be moved up.
 
Vic Hadfield

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Tenure:
13 seasons (1962-1974)
440 Wins 366 Losses 152 Ties

Awards and Achievements:
Stanley Cup Finalist (1972)

Second Team All-Star (1972)

Hart Voting - 5th(1972)

Scoring:
NHL Points – 4th(1972)
NHL Goals – 2nd(1972)
NHL Assists – 4th(1972)

Play-off Points – 7th(1972)
Play-off Goals - 4th(1972), 7th(1971)
Play-off Assists - 6th(1972)

Rangers Wingers Rankings (Raw Stats)
GP (2nd)
G (4th)
A (4th)
PTS (4th)

Average Season During PRIME (Era Adjusted Stats)
Six Years (1968-1974)
27 Goals
33 Assists
60 Points

Average Season During PEAK (Era Adjusted Stats)
Two Years (1972-1973)
38 Goals
46 Assists
84 Points

Joe Pelletier
His playing time increased as he learned to pick his spots when displaying his toughness. He then became much more effective all-around player and a goal scoring threat. In fact he would score 20 or more 8 consecutive years and in 1971-72 he became the first Ranger to score 50 times in a single season.

Hadfield's great leadership abilities were recognized when he became captain of the Rangers in 1971. He often set the tone for the team, both on the ice and off of it. On the ice he led by example. Off the ice he was quite the clown, always keeping the guys light and entertained.

Retro Rangers
“Metamorphosis†is a word that is often used to characterize Vic Hadfield’s hockey career. How else would you describe a guy who started out as an awkward skating tough guy and through a lot of hard work and determination became an All-Star, a 50-goal scorer and Captain of the New York Rangers?

Early in the 1968-69 season Camille Henry was playing on a line with Jean Ratelle and Rod Gilbert but the trio was getting roughed up game in and game out. Finally after an especially tough night in Toronto, Francis had seen enough and he inserted Vic into Henry’s spot on the left wing with specific instructions.

“If anyone bothers Ratelle or Gilbert, beat the (bleep) out of them,†Francis told Hadfield.

Not only did Vic protect his linemates but surprisingly picked up his offensive production as well. Because of his aggressive reputation, he was given a little more room to maneuver by opponents who may not have wanted to be greeted by an elbow or a stick. Hadfield also worked on his skating and possessed a quick, accurate slap shot that was aided by the new curved stick blade that was introduced to him by his friend Bobby Hull.

The line clicked and soon became known as the Goal-A-Game (G-A-G) line and in 1971-72 Hadfield became the first Rangers to score 50 goals in a season, a record that stood until Adam Graves scored 52 goals in 1994.

“People thought I was a genius for putting Vic on that line,†said Francis. “But all I wanted to do was protect my two bestplayers.â€
 
Camille Henry

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Tenure:
11 seasons (1954-1965)
291 Wins 401 Losses 148 Ties

Awards and Achievements:
No Stanley Cup Finals Apperances

Second Team All-Star (1958)

Hart Voting - 7th(1958)

Lady Byng Winner (1958)

Scoring:
NHL Goals – 2nd(1963), 3rd(1958), 4th(1964), 6th(1954), 6th(1965), 7th(1961)

Rangers Wingers Rankings (Raw Stats)
GP (32nd)
G (23rd)
A (34th)
PTS (28th)

Average Season During PRIME (Era Adjusted Stats)
Seven Years (1958-1965)
28 Goals
25 Assists
53 Points

Average Season During PEAK (Era Adjusted Stats)
Four Years (1961-1964)
32 Goals
25 Assists
57 Points

Further insight gathered by overpass:

Feb 8, 1954, Montreal Gazette, Muzz Patrick
"He has skills that you don't see in many players. It isn't just that he happens to be in the right place at the right time, though he has that faculty. You won't see him score any picture goals, either. But he scores goals in his own peculiar way.

"He got a big one for us against Boston and it looked like sheer luck. We had the pressure on and Leo Reise fired a pass to him that was knee high. He got his stick on it and flicked it into the net. He made about three moves on the play. Goals on deflections are considered lucky, but Henry gets too many that way. After you've seen him do it a few times you know it's skill."

Jan 12, 1958:
Camille weighs about 149 pounds soaking wet which he usually is after most of the games in the bruising, contact-filled sport. Most of his scores are made 10 to 20 feet from the opposing nets where he usually stations himself to await a teammate's pass or a stray disk.

"I figure being light helps me" he said. "I can sometimes squeeze in among the bigger men, get my stick in the way of the puck and get it past the goalie. If I was heavier I might not be able to maneuver so well."

Nov 1, 1958:
Phil Watson says of Camille Henry: "He has the best reflexes of any hockey player I've seen. He's like a cat. Never off balance and always with his eye on the puck. And he's an opportunist. That's why he scores so often when there's a scramble in front of the nets."

Feb 16, 1957:
Camille Henry seems to have that magic quality that makes a hockey player deadly around the net.
 
Adam Graves

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Tenure:
10 seasons (1992-2001)
357 Wins 334 Losses 97 Ties

Awards and Achievements:
Stanley Cup Champion (1994)

Second Team All-Star (1994)

Hart Voting - 8th(1994)

Scoring:
NHL Goals – 5th(1994)

Play-off Goals - 5th(1994)

Rangers Wingers Rankings (Raw Stats)
GP (3rd)
G (2nd)
A (7th)
PTS (5th)

Average Season During PRIME (Era Adjusted Stats)
Six Years (1992-1997)
31 Goals
27 Assists
58 Points

Average Season During PEAK (Era Adjusted Stats)
Three Years (1993-1995)
35 Goals
24 Assists
59 Points

Further insight gathered by BillyShoe1721:

In an era when the NHL was being dominated by hockey's version of globalization, Adam Graves was very much the traditional Canadian hockey player.

"He's very physical, he will do anything to get his team geared up," said one NHL coach. "He plays the game every inch of that ice. He wants to command, and he commands a lot of respect out there. He's a total player. He's a spark. He's an inspiration. There's an MVP guy, let me tell you. He's just an outstanding player and an outstanding person."

"Adam was always the type of kid you wanted to make it," Colin Campbell, his former coach said. "He is conscientious, nice, hard-working, respectful. And usually those guys don't make it. Adam is the milk-drinker who goes through hell for you."

He played a rugged, aggressive game of hockey, with a mean streak that enhanced his talent and inspired his teammates. He parked his often bruised body in front of the net, especially when playing on the power play. Graves was a willing fighter, often known as Mark Messier's bodyguard, both in Edmonton and later New York. Kevin Lowe, teammate of both in both cities, called Graves "the sheriff" for his willingness to defend fellow Rangers.

The New York Rangers plucked Graves away from Edmonton in 1991 via the free agency market. It was in New York that Graves blossomed into a star. He erupted in 1991-92 to score 26 goals, doubling his career total. The next year he improved to 36 goals and by 1993-94 he joined Vic Hadfield as only the second New York Ranger in history to score 50 goals. In fact Graves' 52 goals better Hadfield's then-team record by 2. Graves would add 10 goals and 17 points in 23 playoff games to help bring Lord Stanley's Cup back to Broadway for the first time since 1940.

Graves would have trouble reaching the same plateau again. Playing in pain but rarely missing a game, he became a consistent 20 goal scorer in the years following. His body was banged up, later in his career he went through a tough time, losing his infant son and his father to deaths within months.

Through it all, Graves played with the highest dignity and class, and truly bled Rangers blue. The 1994 King Clancy Memorial winner and 2000 Bill Masterton Trophy winner, Graves participates in many activities involving under privileged kids in New York.

Joe Pelletier
He has become a star. That is his story now. The Ranger scoring record he broke was 22 years old. He has been the best player on what has been the best team in the league for the entire season. He was named to the All-Star team for the first time. There is a chance, depending on the Rangers' finish, that he might be the league MVR The contract, of course, has been reworked, and he is on the first year of a six-year deal worth an estimated $14 million.

He still is not a stylist. The total length of all the shots he has used to score his 51 goals probably equals the distance on one Brett Hull slap shot. The average Graves goal usually involves some pushing, some shoving, a rebound or maybe a deflection. The puck usually travels no farther than a couple of feet. He is a digger, a worker bee, hitting and jamming and constantly moving. His coach, Mike Keenan, predicted that Graves would score 50 goals this season, but nobody else thought so. Graves himself says about Keenan's prediction. "I would have called his bluff."

"I'm as surprised as anyone he's scored this much," says Smith, who signed Graves as a free agent three years ago. "But do you know why I think he's scoring? I say it's because we need goals from him. If we didn't need goals from him—if we needed some other part of the game—he'd be giving more of some other part of the game. That is the way he is. Whatever you need, that's what he tries to give you. That's his character. Do you know the story of his family? He's from a social-service type of family that tries to help any way possible where there is a need."

Sports Illustrated
Graves, the NHL's most highly skilled bodyguard, the Rangers are loaded.

Graves roams the ice, challenging anyone who so much as frowns at Messier, the man who was greeted, upon his 1991 arrival in New York, as the Messiah.

Graves’s on-ice career spanned 16 seasons and included 329 goals, countless memorable hits and fights, and a Stanley Cup, with the Rangers in 1994. Those numbers alone, though, are not the only reason the Rangers decided to retire his jersey along with his fellow ’94 teammates Messier, Mike Richter and Brian Leetch.

What Rangers fans came to know was that while Graves was fierce on the ice — he was among the toughest power forwards in the game — he was equally gentle away from the game. His teammates described someone who would pull younger players aside to help them or give advice, a role Messier called invaluable to him as a captain.

Graves’s game was anything but nice. He said when he came into the N.H.L. in 1987, he recognized that he was not a slick puck handler or a natural scorer, so he set out to make a difference in front of the net and in the corners. Many of his goals came on deflections or rebounds, always battling defensemen for position. It was a winning formula. In the ’93-94 season, he scored 52 goals, which was a Rangers record until Jaromir Jagr broke it with 54 in 2004-5.

He was just our foundation,” Leetch said. “We always looked to Mark as our leader, and Mike was our most important player being the goalie, but he was our foundation. He was our heart and soul.”
 
Steve Vickers

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Tenure:
10 seasons (1973-1982)
359 Wins 316 Losses 121 Ties

Awards and Achievements:
Stanley Cup Finalist (1979)

Second Team All-Star (1975)

Scoring:
NHL Goals – 9th(1975)

Rangers Wingers Rankings (Raw Stats)
GP (5th)
G (5th)
A (3rd)
PTS (3rd)

Average Season During PRIME (Era Adjusted Stats)
Four Years (1973-1976)
30 Goals
33 Assists
63 Points

Average Season During PEAK (Era Adjusted Stats)
Two Years (1975-1976)
31 Goals
44 Assists
75 Points

Legends of Hockey
Everything about Vickers` rookie year went like clockwork. He scored in his first NHL game on Oct. 7, 1972, at Detroit, and one month later became the first NHL player (rookie or otherwise) to score back-to-back hat tricks. He did it in home games against Los Angeles and Philadelphia on Nov. 12 and Nov. 15, 1972.

One of the secrets to Vickers` early success was his placement on the Rangers` Bulldog line with center Walt Tkaczuk and right wing Bill Fairbairn. Vickers stepped into the Bulldog Line`s left wing role previously held by Dave Balon and didn`t miss a beat. He scored 30 or more goals in each of his first four NHL seasons and had a career-high 41 goals in 1974-75.

Vickers` 1974-75 season led to NHL Second All-Star Team honors and gained him a berth in the first of two All-Star Games. The following year, he had one of the greatest individual performances in Rangers history, when he set the team record of seven points in one game on Feb. 18, 1976. That effort, which included three goals and four assists, gave him possession of one of the longest-standing Rangers records.
 
Going to get to a few more bios later. Probably Nevin, Maloney, and Hedberg. Taking requests too. Just let me know who you'd like more info on.
 
Bill Fairbairn

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Tenure:
9 seasons (1969-1977)
358 Wins 238 Losses 108 Ties

Awards and Achievements:
Stanley Cup Finalist (1972)

3 X Top-10 Short-Handed Goals

Rangers Wingers Rankings (Raw Stats)
GP (10th)
G (18th)
A (9th)
PTS (12th)

Average Season During PRIME (Era Adjusted Stats)
Four Years (1972-1975)
22 Goals
36 Assists
58 Points

Average Season During PEAK (Era Adjusted Stats)
No distinct PEAK

Greatest Moments and Players by Stan Fischler
“In Tkaczuk and Fairbairn,” said Gilbert, “we have the best penalty killers in hockey.”

Joe Pelletier
Bill Fairbairn, who was nicknamed Bulldog as a junior, was a tenacious two-way hockey player who loved to hit.

"I used the boards a lot, grinding it up and down one side," explained Bill as described his style of play. "I stayed on my wing and used the boards as sort of a cushion you might say. It was a pretty hard cushion, but a cushion nonetheless."

But unlike many pugnacious wingers of his day, Fairbairn was fair, pardon the pun. He was a very clean player for the most part. He only accumulated 173 PIM in 658 regular season games. His highest PIM seasonal total was 53 PIM in 1971-72, and that was uncharacteristically high for the little guy.

Fairbairn found a home with Dave Balon (later Steve Vickers) and Walt Tkaczuk on the "Bulldog Line." The trio were renowned for their hard hitting, hard forechecking style. Though defense was their primary concern, the line chipped in offensively as well. Fairbairn scored more than 20 goals 4 times and even topped the 30 goal mark in 1972-73.
 
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Andy Hebenton

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Tenure:
8 seasons (1956-1963)
203 Wins 259 Losses 98 Ties

Awards and Achievements:
No Stanley Cup Finals Appearances

Lady Byng Winner (1957)

Scoring
NHL Goals - 4th(1959), 8th(1956), 10th(1961)

Rangers Wingers Rankings (Raw Stats)
GP (8th)
G (10th)
A (12th)
PTS (10th)

Average Season During PRIME (Era Adjusted Stats)
Five Years (1957-1961)
28 Goals
30 Assists
58 Points

Average Season During PEAK (Era Adjusted States)
One Year (1959)
38 Goals
33 Assists
71 Points

Further insight gathered by Dreakmur:

Hockey’s Golden Era
Considering that Hebenton did not shy away from body contact, his consecutive game record was amazing. He was not afraid to go into the corners and was thought of as a good backchecker.

Legends of Hockey
Known as "Spud" because of his love for potatoes, Hebenton was a hard-working, clean player who averaged only nine penalty minutes per season. He won the Lady Byng trophy for gentlemanly play in 1957. He was also a five-time winner of the Fred J. Hume Cup as the most gentlemanly player of the WHL.

Greatest Hockey Legends
Andy Hebenton was the NHL's original "Iron Man." Hebenton played nine consecutive seasons (1955-64) with the NY Rangers and Boston Bruins never missing a single game.

Hebenton was a hard worker but a clean player. He won the Lady Byng Trophy in 1957 and also won 6 most gentlemanly player awards in the minors. Hebenton scored 189 career goals and 202 assists for 391 points. He also played in 22 playoff games, scoring 11 points.

Jack Evans
So how is it that Andy Hebenton, one of the hardest skaters that ever scratched the ice, played nine straight years of National League hockey without missing a single game?

He says he's been lucky. He says he's managed to escape a lot of injuries other guys got. Well, hell, I know Andy and I know some of the guys he played with up there. They said there were nights he should have quit—just like everybody else—but that he went out and played anyway. They also say nobody's ever goin' to do what he's done again.
 
Just remember that precise ordering is more important in Round 2; Round 1 is just preliminary. So I wouldn't get too hung up, since both of them will be in vote 1 no matter what anyway.

I do have to say that my preconceived notion was that no one was going to come near Cook, and I was shocked by just how good Bathgate was. Once again proving that the NY Rangers absolutely SUCK at preserving its history.

Noted. But what kinda stopped me in my tracks was what you mentioned in your second paragraph: when you start looking at this a lot more closely, you start to really realize just how damn good Bathgate was.
 
Noted. But what kinda stopped me in my tracks was what you mentioned in your second paragraph: when you start looking at this a lot more closely, you start to really realize just how damn good Bathgate was.

It's amazing what winning championships (or failing to do so) will do to your lasting legacy in New York.
 
I'm having a hard time putting Bathgate ahead of Cook but I'm wondering if I'm being too hard on him for being on those dreadful Rangers teams. Scoring 70 points in the O6 era was no small feat, and Bathgate did it more times than anyone but Gordie Howe and Jean Beliveau (tied). More times than Mikita, Richard, Bobby Hull, Geoffrion, Lindsay. Those are hockey legends. Whats doubly impressive is that he managed to do it despite having almost zero help in the lineup. How in the world did he manage to be top-5 in assists for eight years playing on the wing with zero supporting cast? As an example, in '56-'57 Bathgate had 50 assists while the leader amongst centers on the Rangers (Dave Creighton) had 21 assists. Bathgate led the team with 77 point, next closest was Andy Hebenton with 44 points.

The knock on Bathgate was that his Hart was undeserved and he disappeared in the playoffs. I'll have to do some more research.

77 points and the next nearest guy is 44 points. Insane. Regarding the bolded, to look at it from a super simplistic angle, Bathgate's playoff PPG dropped by .28 from his regular season PPG. Now in looking at Bill and Bun Cook, their reg season to playoff scoring similarly dropped .25 and .30 respectively. Again, a totally simplistic example, but it makes a point. When you play on a deep, more talented team, your scoring can drop, you can still win in other ways, and no one even thinks about the lower scoring. Conversely, when you're the one and only scoring threat and you cannot carry the entire team to victory against superior teams, it's generally looked at as some kind of strange indictment against the player.

I don't understand that. Would we have lowered our esteem of Ray Bourque if he didn't go to Colorado and win a Cup? No, because we saw him first hand and saw how f-in dominant and exceptional he was in Boston. But we don't seem to apply this same reasoning to players of the past whom we didn't see. There, we see no Cup and they get this bizarre and often undeserved 'loser' stigma. Makes no sense. When you look at that Bathgate season you mentioned, 77 points and the next nearest guy is at 44, that is an excellent hockey player on a non-excellent team. They are not winning a Cup, because it is going to be easy for good teams to beat a one man show team in the playoffs.

I am of the mindset that a player should not be punished because his upper management sucked balls and were unable to put a good team around him.
 

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