Friedman: Hextall looking to bring in a right handed defenseman

[Critical13]

Karlsson, Doughty, Seguin, Kane I say no to for contract status alone.

Josi and Subban are great, but why trade a young 1D for an older one? It doesnt dit thr flyers timeline.

Hall, Barzal are easy no, as good as they are.

McDavid, for obvious reasons. I'd consider Matthew's and Schiefele, Matthews because hes young and super talented, but his upcoming contract will be a monster. Schiefele is already locked in long term and an exceptional player.

What it really boils down to is this though: Provorov is our one and only 1D. We already have a 1C, a 1LW, and a 1RW. So trading our 1D leaves a giant hole on the roster we cant fill. While likely only getting back a position we already have covered. Acquiring an older 1D for him makes no sense, because we have no goalie and our bottom 6 depth isnt great, currently.

This isnt to say Provorov is better or more valuable than all those players (though I think he surpasses most of that list), but the Flyers situation makes him more valuable to them than the others you listed.

Not sure why you mention contracts - if Provorov is as good as Flyers fans keep telling us, won't he be looking at 8-9 million as well?

If Matthews and Scheifele are being considered, why isn't Barzal? His rookie you was ridiculous.

 

[Cootsfanclub]

Were you aware that Trouba scores at a higher rate than Provorov at 5v5? Also, did you know how good Trouba is in generating and preventing chances?

Trouba also didn't get the minutes that Provorov had overall and wasn't capable of being the most used defenseman at even strength or shorthanded, unlike Provorov.
Trouba is good, just not as good as Provy.

 

[Cootsfanclub]

Not sure why you mention contracts - if Provorov is as good as Flyers fans keep telling us, won't he be looking at 8-9 million as well?

He's coming off his ELC, he'll get the Seth Jones treatment so we don't get a Subban situation on our hands.

 

[Critical13]

He's coming off his ELC, he'll get the Seth Jones treatment so we don't get a Subban situation on our hands.

Seems strange that people are saying Matthews and Laine are less valuable because they are getting these monster contracts, but a dman who is apparently just as good is for some reason going to get better treatment.

It's a double standard I see a lot as a Matthews fan - people are constantly telling me he's not as good or valuable as I think he is, but then also, their super star 20 year olds for some reason will get much less on their next contract.

If Provorov is the young stud #1D with franchise potential, I don't see why he will get significantly less than other young 20 year old franchise players.

 

[Whileee]

Trouba also didn't get the minutes that Provorov had overall and wasn't capable of being the most used defenseman at even strength or shorthanded, unlike Provorov.
Trouba is good, just not as good as Provy.

Usage is always relative to the strength of teammates. Trouba shares RD with Byfuglien and Myers. Who is Provorov competing with for ice time? Trouba was preserved for the toughest matchups. Still, his offensive production rate was higher in each of the past two seasons than Provorov's. I would bet that professional hockey personnel would have Trouba and Provorov much closer than HFB posters apparently do.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Oh my lord WHO CARES

We don't want Trouba.

 

[pmwlker]

Seems strange that people are saying Matthews and Laine are less valuable because they are getting these monster contracts, but a dman who is apparently just as good is for some reason going to get better treatment.

It's a double standard I see a lot as a Matthews fan - people are constantly telling me he's not as good or valuable as I think he is, but then also, their super star 20 year olds for some reason will get much less on their next contract.

If Provorov is the young stud #1D with franchise potential, I don't see why he will get significantly less than other young 20 year old franchise players.

Look at Hextall history as it pertains to the signing of defensemen. Use Ghost as an example if you want as he and Provorov are our top 2 defenders. Ghost makes 4.5 million for the next 6 years. That’s a very team friendly contract I think we all agree. Hextall will do the same with Provorov. No bridge deal but instead a long term deal with a manageable cap hit perhaps in the 6/6.5 per year range I’d expect. Time will tell. Doubtful he gets the numbers being mentioned here though.
Laine and Matthews are also face of the franchise guys.....Provorov isn’t.... that role belongs to Giroux. I’m quite sure both their agents leveraged that into the negotiations as well.....hell I would.

 

[Benji007]

Oh my lord WHO CARES

We don't want Trouba.

No kidding. That horse is dead let’s move on.

 

[theghost1]

If he wants a RHD just sign Mike Green.

 

[SnS]

Why are we still debating Troubadour? I ended that a while ago.

It’s. Not. A. Fit. Stop.

 

[SnS]

If he wants a RHD just sign Mike Green.

Unless it’s a cheap 1 year deal. I pass.

 

[Starat327]

Not sure why you mention contracts - if Provorov is as good as Flyers fans keep telling us, won't he be looking at 8-9 million as well?

If Matthews and Scheifele are being considered, why isn't Barzal? His rookie you was ridiculous.

Provorov isn coming off his ELC and there is absolutely no precedent for a D getting that much. Meanwhile, you have Eichel and McDavid setting a 10 mil precedent for centers of that caliber. I expect him to get about 7 or so. Similar to Ekblad.

Barzals rookie season was great, but I have my doubts about his play when he doesnt have someone else in front of him. I'm sure hell still be a great center. I'm just not sure he could replicate it if he was getting the toughest matchups.

To your other post - the contract doesnt make the player any worse, but it makes him less valuable. That's just the way things work in a cap world.

You also failed to acknowledge that the reason Flyers value Provorov so highly is because we already have great players at other positions. Is Matthew's, Eichel, and Schiefle an upgrade on Couturier? Yes. Is it worth giving up a 1D to upgrade our 1C, 1LW, or 1RW? Absolutely not.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

I wonder what the Flames would want in exchange for Dougie Hamilton?

Nolan Patrick or something along those lines.

 

[The Madrigal]

How many voters know which of the two players rated higher in all of the following 5v5 metrics?

Points/60
CF%
RelCF%
xGF%
RelxGF%

(Hint: not Provorov).

Also, how many think that Trouba topped Provorov's 2017/18 stats in each of those metrics during Trouba's 2016/17 season? So Trouba rated better than Provorov's 2017/18 season in each of Trouba's last two seasons.

I think Provorov is terrific, but a very large proportion of HFB posters have no idea how good Trouba is, and his stats back that up consistently.

You are so quick to defend your guy that you are missing the point. Provorov is 21, Trouba is 24. Those are a huge three years in terms of development and improvement and Provorov's potential is through the roof. Stats arent everything either, they are only a piece of the puzzle.

 

[The Madrigal]

Wow, I thought there were more knowledgeable posters around here. That's really disappointing and revealing.

You ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe you are wrong. Its not like the vote was 65% to 45%. It was 88% to 12%. That would tell me something but perhaps you just arent that self aware.

 

[Whileee]

You ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe you are wrong. Its not like the vote was 65% to 45%. It was 88% to 12%. That would tell me something but perhaps you just arent that self aware.

In addition to citing a poll, why not cite other objective evidence of their actual performance, like I did?

I would wager that many who voted are unaware of their relative performance metrics.

 

[The Madrigal]

In addition to citing a poll, why not cite other objective evidence of their actual performance, like I did?

I would wager that many who voted are unaware of their relative performance metrics.

You know what they are aware of? The fact that Provorov is 21 and Trouba is 24 which is a massive three years of developmental time for a young defenseman.

 

[Whileee]

You are so quick to defend your guy that you are missing the point. Provorov is 21, Trouba is 24. Those are a huge three years in terms of development and improvement and Provorov's potential is through the roof. Stats arent everything either, they are only a piece of the puzzle.

I think Provorov is outstanding, but dismissing stats in favour of fan opinions is odd.

By the way, Trouba produced offense at a higher rate 5v5 as a 19 year old than Provorov as a 21 year old.

 

[Whileee]

You know what they are aware of? The fact that Provorov is 21 and Trouba is 24 which is a massive three years of developmental time for a young defenseman.

Trouba produced at a higher rate at 19 than Provorov did at 21.

 

[bauer]

Trouba produced at a higher rate at 19 than Provorov did at 21.

first 2 years in the NHL, Provorov 71 points, Trouba 51 points. Provorov just led all D in goals this year with 17, how many did Trouba have? 3. offensively it isn't close. defensively it's Provorov too. he has no one to shelter him. it must be nice for Trouba to have big Buff around all the time to carry those hard minutes, whereas Provy was thrown right in to the fire and had to be "the guy" straight away.

Trouba is a nice D, but this is getting silly. just let it go.

 

[Starat327]

They're both exceptional young dmen. Let it die.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Oh my lord please let it die. Who the hell cares. This isn't the purpose of the thread.

 

[Tripod]

Are you saying that Provorov is a top 5 PP guy. If so, I'll have to highly disagree

huh? I said Ghost was.

 

[Stripper]

You guys still want Shea Weber?

 

[LetsGoBLUES91]

According to Friedman on the NHL Network tonight - Flyers looking for a right handed D. Hextall's top priority this summer.

Karlsson

The Blues have a hilarious amount of good RHD and could use help literally everywhere else. They’ve been trade partners in the past. Wouldn’t shock me.