Friedman: Hextall looking to bring in a right handed defenseman

[darcyRegier]

No thanks.

What about Risto +++?

 

[Syckle78]

Lol I see provorov is hfs annual young overrated as f*** defenseman poster boy.

 

[BernieParent]

Lol I see provorov is hfs annual young overrated as **** defenseman poster boy.

I have to agree, given some of these comments. At the same time it is logical to understand that a player is better, even much better, than Provorov but to not be interested in even a 1-for-1 deal, simply because of the team's point in becoming competitive.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Lol I see provorov is hfs annual young overrated as **** defenseman poster boy.

No one said he was better than all defensemen -- just said we wouldn't trade him for them all due to age and potential (i.e. I don't think he's better than Josi currently necessarily or more impactful than Sid or even Seguin).

He is already a monster though.

 

[Superlative Soup]

Lol I see provorov is hfs annual young overrated as **** defenseman poster boy.

Based on the last 10 or so posts gotta agree.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I know you didn't ask me, but considering the current make up and direction of our team (and not just who is better right now because obv guys like Karlsson & Doughty are):

McDavid - Yes
Karlsson - No
Josi - No
Barkov - No
Eichel - Maybe
Laine - Yes
Scheifele - No
Seguin - No
Crosby - Hell no
Barzal - No
Subban - Hell no
Dahlin - No
Kane - Hell no
Kucherov - No
Hedman - No
Doughty - No
Hall - No

So McDavid, Matthews, Laine & Eichel.
Would probably for MacKinnon as well

You'd take Laine a 40 G scoring winger who struggles at times still over a number 1 2nd leading playoff goal scoring center like Scheif? You'd trade Provorov for a winger but not a legit top center in the league? Huh

 

[johum7]

Blues offer parayko. We just don’t want Lehterible back.

Please take him back, we’ll give both first round picks

 

[The Burdened]

You'd take Laine a 40 G scoring winger who struggles at times still over a number 1 2nd leading playoff goal scoring center like Scheif? You'd trade Provorov for a winger but not a legit top center in the league? Huh

yes because at C we have Couturier for now & future, Patrick for the future, and Giroux who can still play C if need be.

It's almost as if people completely didn't read the "current make up and direction of our team" caveat that I literally wrote in the first sentence lel. I would not trade Provorov for most of those guys because of either contract status or they simply don't match the age timeline of when our cup window should open.

Sorry fam I would not trade a 21-year old D who just tied for the league in goals scored for dmen, logs 24 mins a night, excels in all situations, has never played a sheltered minute, and has real franchise D upside unless a U23 franchise level forward was coming back.
I think the world of Laine and having him play with either Giroux or Voracek would create absolute havoc. He's going to be the best goal scorer of his generation and I 1000% would want a piece of that.

and that is not an insult to any of those players, either. Most of the fans of those teams would not consider trading said player for Provorov and I 100% understand. Why would Tampa trade Hedman for him? They wouldn't. Why would Nashville trade Josi for him? etc etc etc

 

[Snowman]

I have to agree, given some of these comments. At the same time it is logical to understand that a player is better, even much better, than Provorov but to not be interested in even a 1-for-1 deal, simply because of the team's point in becoming competitive.

This I agree with. The Flyers are so far from being competitive that it doesn't make sense for them to move Provorov, even if that player is currently much better.

 

[SnS]

This I agree with. The Flyers are so far from being competitive that it doesn't make sense for them to move Provorov, even if that player is currently much better.

Thats all some of the flyers fans meant by those posts.

 

[go4hockey]

Rights to Slava Voynov and Iafallo for Simmonds what say you.

Hell no. The Kings should have less than zero interest in Simmonds. He is due a new contract which will give him a fat raise and long term and at his age I have no interest in handing him his retirement contract.

 

[Lunatik]

We'd have to pay a whole bunch for Dougie. Likely young NHL talent and not necessarily futures.

If Hextall was willing to pay the price for Dougie, I would rather him pay a bit more and try for Karlsson.

I just want to say thank you for understanding the Flames situation, rather than just throwing out garbage offers like the majority of HF.

 

[Starat327]

Alright now I gotta know...McDavid...Karlsson? Josi? Barkov? Matthews? Eichel? Laine? Scheifele? Seguin? Crosby? Barzal? Subban? Dahlin(*)? Kane? Kucherov? Hedman? Doughty? Hall?

I mention those guys because I think I take them over Provorov without hesitation. After that, I start to wonder. Crosby is tough due to age but the others are easy.

Karlsson, Doughty, Seguin, Kane I say no to for contract status alone.

Josi and Subban are great, but why trade a young 1D for an older one? It doesnt dit thr flyers timeline.

Hall, Barzal are easy no, as good as they are.

McDavid, for obvious reasons. I'd consider Matthew's and Schiefele, Matthews because hes young and super talented, but his upcoming contract will be a monster. Schiefele is already locked in long term and an exceptional player.

What it really boils down to is this though: Provorov is our one and only 1D. We already have a 1C, a 1LW, and a 1RW. So trading our 1D leaves a giant hole on the roster we cant fill. While likely only getting back a position we already have covered. Acquiring an older 1D for him makes no sense, because we have no goalie and our bottom 6 depth isnt great, currently.

This isnt to say Provorov is better or more valuable than all those players (though I think he surpasses most of that list), but the Flyers situation makes him more valuable to them than the others you listed.

 

[pmwlker]

Lol I see provorov is hfs annual young overrated as **** defenseman poster boy.

I don’t think we overrate him but we as fans see the value of a young potential number one defender on a team that’s lacked a true number one for years as high. The team has tried to fill that void for years and finally we have our guy in Provorov. Given his play so far and his potential to improve you’d be hard pressed to find many Flyers fans willing to deal him unless the return is mind blowing.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Wow, a team looking for a RHD. Ground breaking news. Finding a GOOD, RHD, that's the problem.

 

[Tripod]

Karlsson, Doughty, Seguin, Kane I say no to for contract status alone.

Josi and Subban are great, but why trade a young 1D for an older one? It doesnt dit thr flyers timeline.

Hall, Barzal are easy no, as good as they are.

McDavid, for obvious reasons. I'd consider Matthew's and Schiefele, Matthews because hes young and super talented, but his upcoming contract will be a monster. Schiefele is already locked in long term and an exceptional player.

What it really boils down to is this though: Provorov is our one and only 1D. We already have a 1C, a 1LW, and a 1RW. So trading our 1D leaves a giant hole on the roster we cant fill. While likely only getting back a position we already have covered. Acquiring an older 1D for him makes no sense, because we have no goalie and our bottom 6 depth isnt great, currently.

This isnt to say Provorov is better or more valuable than all those players (though I think he surpasses most of that list), but the Flyers situation makes him more valuable to them than the others you listed.

Yeah....it's about context.

2nd in scoring Giroux at LW
13th in scoring Voracek at RW
26th in scoring Couturier at C as well as Selke level defense

Besides McDavid, it makes no sense to trade Provy for any forward because the hole it leaves in the defense is bigger than the gain we would get at forward.

And while there are lots of great Dmen out there, why trade:

#1 Dman
21 years old
Still on ELC
1st in NHL in goals
1st in ES goals
8th in ES points

Can people not see how valuable that is? His overall points are only suppressed because of Ghost being on the top unit and is a top 1-5 PP guy.

 

[Dominicr]

Please take him back, we’ll give both first round picks

No way man. He is your problem now.

 

[Whileee]

53 votes so far and 46 for a total of 86.8% say they'd take Provorov over Trouba right now. Of the 7 people who voted for Trouba my guess is at least 4 or 5 were Jets fans.

How many voters know which of the two players rated higher in all of the following 5v5 metrics?

Points/60
CF%
RelCF%
xGF%
RelxGF%

(Hint: not Provorov).

Also, how many think that Trouba topped Provorov's 2017/18 stats in each of those metrics during Trouba's 2016/17 season? So Trouba rated better than Provorov's 2017/18 season in each of Trouba's last two seasons.

I think Provorov is terrific, but a very large proportion of HFB posters have no idea how good Trouba is, and his stats back that up consistently.

 

[johum7]

No way man. He is your problem now.

Even with 50% retention?

The entirety of the Flyers fan base begs you

 

[johum7]

Yeah....it's about context.

2nd in scoring Giroux at LW
13th in scoring Voracek at RW
26th in scoring Couturier at C as well as Selke level defense

Besides McDavid, it makes no sense to trade Provy for any forward because the hole it leaves in the defense is bigger than the gain we would get at forward.

And while there are lots of great Dmen out there, why trade:

#1 Dman
21 years old
Still on ELC
1st in NHL in goals
1st in ES goals
8th in ES points

Can people not see how valuable that is? His overall points are only suppressed because of Ghost being on the top unit and is a top 1-5 PP guy.

Are you saying that Provorov is a top 5 PP guy. If so, I'll have to highly disagree

 

[Pens x]

Will this player need to have red hair like the rest of the team?

 

[Whileee]

There was a character on Saturday Night Live in the early 90's named Stuart Smalley and he used to say "Denial isn't just a river in Egypt."

Poll was closed down after 70 votes, Provorov won with 87% of the vote.
Provorov - 61
Trouba - 9

Wow, I thought there were more knowledgeable posters around here. That's really disappointing and revealing.

 

[Cootsfanclub]

Wow, I thought there were more knowledgeable posters around here. That's really disappointing and revealing.

No one is saying Trouba is a bad player...

 

[Whileee]

No one is saying Trouba is a bad player...

Were you aware that Trouba scores at a higher rate than Provorov at 5v5? Also, did you know how good Trouba is in generating and preventing chances?

 

[pmwlker]

No one is knocking Trouba. He’s a damn good defenseman. That being said I’d rather see where Provorov is at age 24 (Trouba’s current age) before making comparisons. A lot can change in three years. I’d hedge my bets that he’s just as good if not better by age 24.