Proposal: Hertl to BOS

[Troublesome 85]

LOL Boston finally has a worthwile RW prospect and people want us to trade it?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

What other teams do people think Hertl would put on his trade list outside of Boston?

There's little reason for Hertl to not be okay with going to any playoff team if he's set on moving on. Why wouldn't he be okay with going to Florida, Toronto, Tampa, Edmonton, Carolina, or any other team that is pretty easily a playoff team?

 

[bearcountry17]

How do you know he'd have Boston on the short list?

I just asked what other people thought. I never implied I knew anything, just seeing who needs a C and would be bidding against Boston.

 

[nbwingsfan]

That looks closer to the value of a more mundane deadline trade than for a player of Hertl's caliber

When was the last mandate deadline rental who got two 1sts?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Boston isn’t going to know who the three teams are. Nor if that list expands or not. If a team is going to lowball offer, they’re not going to trade him.

Buffalo just accepted a lowball offer from Boston for the same reason.

I doubt it happens. But if if the options are a 2nd + DeBrusk vs nothing….

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Buffalo just accepted a lowball offer from Boston for the same reason.

I doubt it happens. But if if the options are a 2nd + DeBrusk vs nothing….

They'll take nothing and try to re-sign him. The lowball trade between Buffalo and Boston included a highly overpaid rental having a subpar season and as a winger. Hertl is better and in a more valuable position with significantly less options. If Hertl is not on the market, is there even a 1C available? There is always top six wingers available at the deadline.

 

[roflstomper]

I'd be more interest in Hertl as a rental but honestly 20 other teams would be able to beat our offer. We only have garbage or things we don't want to part with (our 1sts/Lysell). Not a lot of middle ground.

 

[Dr Quincy]

I honestly think closer to the deadline, if Eichel has come back and made Vegas a dominant contender, teams will come calling fo fill up their center position with as many elite talents as they can. Boston may be one of them.

And Karlsson and Cooch aren’t prime anymore nor are Burns or Vlasic - all guys taking up far too much cap space. Our future is in pretty good shape with our without a solid return for Hertl. Bordeleau is just one of many high potential prospects in the pipeline.

And Bergeron isn't in his prime. And their goaltending (especially without Swayman) and defense isn't good enough.

I've seen a team that was getting older and thought it was close and traded prime assets for a player "in his prime"... giving up Stutzle and Norris and then finishing last, stuck with an aging assets and losing young pieces it could use to rebuild. No thanks. You are like a used car salesman talking up the TruCoat. We don't want the TruCoat. Sell it to someone else.

 

[BillR10]

And Bergeron isn't in his prime. And their goaltending (especially without Swayman) and defense isn't good enough.

I've seen a team that was getting older and thought it was close and traded prime assets for a player "in his prime"... giving up Stutzle and Norris and then finishing last, stuck with an aging assets and losing young pieces it could use to rebuild. No thanks. You are like a used car salesman talking up the TruCoat. We don't want the TruCoat. Sell it to someone else.

Stutzle was a 1st for resigning EK65. If they hadn't resigned him he wouldn't have been part of the deal. On top of that, no one could have seen that season coming after going to the western conf finals the season prior (the season they actually traded for EK65). It's all good though as if that hadn't happened, would the sharks have landed Eklund? Hopefully Hertl seen the future with Eklund starting next season and signs an extension. Rather keep our 1c that has many years left in him than see him traded for anything less than overpayment.

 

[Hostile Offer]

It’s not a player signing with the original team and then getting traded, it’s the player agreeing to a contract extension with the new team as part of the trade. In recent years Pacioretty, Stone, Karlsson are all names off the top of my head.

Karlsson wasn't traded with extension in place, there was just a conditional pick in the deal pending his extension, which was then applied... and turned into Tim Stützle. Ouch.

 

[Groo]

Buffalo just accepted a lowball offer from Boston for the same reason.

I doubt it happens. But if if the options are a 2nd + DeBrusk vs nothing….

Get the f*** out of here with that crap a 2nd and a bust for Hertl. Too funny

 

[Groo]

And Bergeron isn't in his prime. And their goaltending (especially without Swayman) and defense isn't good enough.

I've seen a team that was getting older and thought it was close and traded prime assets for a player "in his prime"... giving up Stutzle and Norris and then finishing last, stuck with an aging assets and losing young pieces it could use to rebuild. No thanks. You are like a used car salesman talking up the TruCoat. We don't want the TruCoat. Sell it to someone else.

You've seen? You nor any of us have our jobs on the line due to the performance of a hockey team.

 

[WSS11]

So Hertl isn’t going to Boston..cool. Lock the thread

 

[nbwingsfan]

Get the f*** out of here with that crap a 2nd and a bust for Hertl. Too funny

If Hertl makes it known he’s not re-signing to waste his career in San Jose and would only accept a trade to Boston, you’d rather have nothing?

 

[Hookslide]

The hope is similar to Pasta.
As far as no young players on the Bruins, Swayman in net. Defense McAvoy and Lohei is looking very good. Pasta and Lysell. All 24 and under....The future isn't as bleak as people like to think

I like your optimistic point of view , my fear is ownership and management does not have the ability to build off your optimism ..........

 

[nbwingsfan]

Stutzle was a 1st for resigning EK65. If they hadn't resigned him he wouldn't have been part of the deal. On top of that, no one could have seen that season coming after going to the western conf finals the season prior (the season they actually traded for EK65). It's all good though as if that hadn't happened, would the sharks have landed Eklund? Hopefully Hertl seen the future with Eklund starting next season and signs an extension. Rather keep our 1c that has many years left in him than see him traded for anything less than overpayment.

You’d rather have Eklund and Karlsson wasting $11M in cap space for the next like 6 years than have Stutzle? Weird.

 

[Groo]

If Hertl makes it known he’s not re-signing to waste his career in San Jose and would only accept a trade to Boston, you’d rather have nothing?

Blah blah blah.
Depend on why Hertl wants to leave. If it's just money and term then the Sharks ought to just keep him and take the chance of resigning him vs take such a crap offer. Why would Hertl do that if he just wants to compete for a cup? If he's only going for a rental then half the teams will be competing and as we have seen from some Boston fans they don't expect to be competing for long so why would he only choose to go there? No, if he wants to play in Boston then he can wait till FA and sign with them for nothing. Until then he's got a lot of team to choose from

 

[Kcoyote3]

I love how I chose Boston because I know they're a relatively good team that was put into a bit of a bind without a top 6 center behind Bergeron, who's getting older, and I offered a solution. Hertl would fit in very well with the team, and could help the franchise for the next 5-6 years remain competitive. A time period where:

Hall is still signed for the majority of it
Marchand is still signed for the majority of it
Pasta entering his prime years
Your entire defense is under 30, and your number 1 defenseman is entering his mid 20s prime
Your two goalies are under 30, one of them being 22 and a future stud

This is how I analyze the Bruins looking at their roster. It's good for the future, even if all the pieces aren't there yet. Without a player like Hertl or near his caliber at center though, the above is wasted. Multiple posters have mentioned that making this trade won't allow them to win the cup. Maybe. That's to be determined in the playoffs. But without getting that Hertl player now, you're too good to bottom out to get one through the draft. That's my point.

I understand the hesitation to trade Lysell, and without an extension in place there's obviously little chance he's included. I will concede that downgrading the 1st to a 2nd and Lysell is possible. Either that or a 1st and Studnicka or another prospect.

 

[Groo]

I love how I chose Boston because I know they're a relatively good team that was put into a bit of a bind without a top 6 center behind Bergeron, who's getting older, and I offered a solution. Hertl would fit in very well with the team, and could help the franchise for the next 5-6 years remain competitive. A time period where:

Hall is still signed for the majority of it
Marchand is still signed for the majority of it
Pasta entering his prime years
Your entire defense is under 30, and your number 1 defenseman is entering his mid 20s prime
Your two goalies are under 30, one of them being 22 and a future stud

This is how I analyze the Bruins looking at their roster. It's good for the future, even if all the pieces aren't there yet. Without a player like Hertl or near his caliber at center though, the above is wasted. Multiple posters have mentioned that making this trade won't allow them to win the cup. Maybe. That's to be determined in the playoffs. But without getting that Hertl player now, you're too good to bottom out to get one through the draft. That's my point.

I understand the hesitation to trade Lysell, and without an extension in place there's obviously little chance he's included. I will concede that downgrading the 1st to a 2nd and Lysell is possible. Either that or a 1st and Studnicka or another prospect.

Or you could just pick another team

 

[Kcoyote3]

Or you could just pick another team

I could, everyone else would be a rental though likely, and SJ might not get a prospect and pick back.

Edmonton would be a good fit, but they have this weird aversion to going all in for the playoffs it seems.

 

[inthe6ix]

Unlikely, but if Krejci returns, the B's don't need Hertl as he would plug in behind Bergy anyways.

Better to hope he hits UFA in the summer and go after him then, otherwise it's not worth mortgaging the future for him.

Now, if they were really interested in him, Swayman in the convo would likely get it done - Hill and Reimer are not the answers.

 

[bearcountry17]

Get the f*** out of here with that crap a 2nd and a bust for Hertl. Too funny

A bust who is the 12th highest goal scorer from the stacked 2015 draft? For reference Timo Mier, an very good pick at 9th overall, is only 3 spots higher at #9 despite playing ~70 more games. Senyshyn is a bust, Goldobin is a bust. Debrusk is not.

 

[Groo]

A bust who is the 12th highest goal scorer from the stacked 2015 draft? For reference Timo Mier, an very good pick at 9th overall, is only 3 spots higher at #9 despite playing ~70 more games. Senyshyn is a bust, Goldobin is a bust. Debrusk is not.

Sure he is. A 2nd and Debrusk for Hertl is a joke. Much better chance Boston uses the 2nd to entice someone to take DeBrusk off their hands

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Sure he is. A 2nd and Debrusk for Hertl is a joke. Much better chance Boston uses the 2nd to entice someone to take DeBrusk off their hands

I don't think Debrusk and a 2nd is Hertl value either but you're going extreme when calling Debrusk a bust. He's still a serviceable NHL middle-sixer, with some room to grow who only makes under 4M. That said, if San Jose shops Hertl it would be for 1sts or prospects, so he does not fit the bill.

If Boston is safely in the playoff picture come the deadline, maybe they make a run at Hertl solely for rental purposes, and there is conditions on him resigning.

 

[Groo]

I don't think Debrusk and a 2nd is Hertl value either but you're going extreme when calling Debrusk a bust. He's still a serviceable NHL middle-sixer, with some room to grow who only makes under 4M. That said, if San Jose shops Hertl it would be for 1sts or prospects, so he does not fit the bill.

If Boston is safely in the playoff picture come the deadline, maybe they make a run at Hertl solely for rental purposes, and there is conditions on him resigning.

Teams use 1st round pick in hopes they develop in to "serviceable NHL middle-sixers"? No I don't think they do