Here and Now: The Preseason

[Kingspiracy]

Also, sounds like Lizotte's really gotta lose his spot from here on out:

Lizotte looks like mini me braydon schenn, when the camera cut to him I thought i was having flashbacks.

 

[SherVaughn30]

They were uncontested breakaways to 30 goal scorers after 2 previous breakaway saves on 20 goal scorers.

Guarantee if that was a Campbell or Petersen nameplate on the jersey instead of Quick this place would be patting them on the back instead.

There's realistic, reasonable criticism, then there's just outright loathing.

Campbell/Petersen play a more controlled style, plus their size takes up more net. Quick's acrobatic style is getting himself into more trouble with injuries and when the opponent is attacking in certain situations. 2nd goal Quick got deked badly on Stone's back-hand, Quick flopped and Stone tucks it fore-hand with ease. As a goalie you play the percentages, take away the shooters fore-hand and force them to score back-hand. On OT breakaway goal, Quick squat really low and Marchessault saw it, coming down with speed and shot it quickly top corner. Quick just sat on the shot(he was beat gloved-side and almost half way back in blue goal crease). Marchessault breakaway shot came from just between the face-off dots. I'm not sure what Quick was doing. His trademark on breakaways is he comes out and challenges and he did none of that.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Blake Lizotte - so hot right now.

Sweat shops over in China are already working overtime to get this kids jersey out to the masses.

 

[SherVaughn30]

With the speed Stone was cutting to the middle, Quick played it as he should.

I strongly disagree. If anything Quick reacted too late to Stone back-hand move. For any goalie, as soon as you lunge at Stone's back-hand move like that, it's a late reaction desperation move that will result in trouble.

 

[SherVaughn30]

Our injury prone goalie didn't come up with highlight real saves on a pair of September 19th breakaways after shutting out the opponent for 54 minutes.

Quick actually got beat twice more, but the post saves his @SS both times.

 

[redcard]

Quick actually got beat twice more, but the post saves his @SS both times.

If it hit the post, the shot didn't beat him.

 

[Docgonzo]

If only we didn’t have Quick we’d be Stanley Cup bound!!

Ryan-Doughty
Hutton-Martinez
Walker-Roy
LaDue-Forbort

Dang, so close to a cup!

 

[SherVaughn30]

If it hit the post, the shot didn't beat him.

I have been playing goalie for 28 years. Read your quote again."If it hit the post, the shot didn't beat him." Any goalie can be beat by the shot, but it still might not be a goal! Twice the shot beat Quick(meaning the puck got past him when he tried to make a save attempt), but the puck didn't cross the goal line because the puck hit the posts!

 

[King'sPawn]

Quick being the vet goalie can't let Stone do that inside outside move! Hold the near-side post and force Stone to go on his back-hand!

I strongly disagree. If anything Quick reacted too late to Stone back-hand move. For any goalie, as soon as you lunge at Stone's back-hand move like that, it's a late reaction desperation move that will result in trouble.

So on one hand he should have hugged the post to force the backhand, on the other he took too long to react to the backhand.

I'm sorry, but having two opposing critiques on the same play is not going to spark a good or honest discussion, and it looks like you just want to bag on Quick.

That may not be your intention, but this is how it comes across.

Quick played it well enough and Stone played it better.

At best, a younger Quick would have done the splits and covered both as far as his old style, but he was reading a play that developed very fast by a very good player.

 

[Steve Zissou]

 

[Steve Zissou]

Starting off a sentence with a 'I've been a fan since...' or 'I've been playing hockey for...' on a hockey board...

 

[Bandit]

I had a feeling when I saw they were up 2-0 that they’d blow it. Annoying that it came true but sounds like some of the kids are impressing so I’ll take it. Tofolli actually made a play on the second goal too. It’s s miracle

 

[redcard]

I have been playing goalie for 28 years. Read your quote again."If it hit the post, the shot didn't beat him." Any goalie can be beat by the shot, but it still might not be a goal! Twice the shot beat Quick(meaning the puck got past him when he tried to make a save attempt), but the puck didn't cross the goal line because the puck hit the posts!

We gonna criticize him for the shots that went wide too? He stuck his glove out for those too.

I've been playing goalie for 372 years and taught Wayne Gretzky how to make pancakes.

 

[SherVaughn30]

So on one hand he should have hugged the post to force the backhand, on the other he took too long to react to the backhand.

I'm sorry, but having two opposing critiques on the same play is not going to spark a good or honest discussion, and it looks like you just want to bag on Quick.

That may not be your intention, but this is how it comes across.

Quick played it well enough and Stone played it better.

At best, a younger Quick would have done the splits and covered both as far as his old style, but he was reading a play that developed very fast by a very good player.

For the record, I'm just a lot more analytical than most because I have the experience playing goalie. Yes a goalie can make multiple mistakes on the same play and that is what happened to Quick on that play. A much higher percentage of goals are scored on the fore-hand than the back-hand. Quick should have played the percentages, taking away Stone's option to use his fore-hand all together and forcing him to score on his back-hand. If Stone still scored on back-hand, then more power to him and a great back-hand shot!

Also, you can slow frame(pause/play the clip on NHL.com) the play and see when Quick moved to his right, Stone had already switched back to his fore-hand. Quick is a veteran goalie and not some rookie. Even if his quick athleticism has gone down a notch because of age/injuries, his experience has to come to the forefront in that situation. Quick knows he could have played the situation better. I bet ya Bill Ranford(goalie coach) is telling Quick similar thing. Goaltending is not just athleticism and skill. In some cases you have to use your mental game more than your physical game. Quick had a mental breakdown in those split seconds.

 

[SherVaughn30]

We gonna criticize him for the shots that went wide too? He stuck his glove out for those too.

I've been playing goalie for 372 years and taught Wayne Gretzky how to make pancakes.

Did I criticize him for those wide shots, yes or no?

 

[SherVaughn30]

So on one hand he should have hugged the post to force the backhand, on the other he took too long to react to the backhand.

I'm sorry, but having two opposing critiques on the same play is not going to spark a good or honest discussion, and it looks like you just want to bag on Quick.

That may not be your intention, but this is how it comes across.

Quick played it well enough and Stone played it better.

At best, a younger Quick would have done the splits and covered both as far as his old style, but he was reading a play that developed very fast by a very good player.

By the way, if you think Stone is a very good player, then . I would say Stone is very good at being an OVERPAID PLAYER!

 

[KingsFan7824]

Ryan is another in the long line of offering nothing offensively, defensively or physically but will get 18 minutes a game this season.

He's a nothing player. Trash.

That's why he's here. A cheap warm body in a throwaway year.

Can one of the coaches please teach Wagner how to finish? Having that speed is pointless if you cant do anything with it

With his speed, if he had high level finishing ability, he would've been higher than a 4th round pick. You can teach Finnish, but you can't teach finish.

Concur with all of that.

I'm eager to see how some of these guys do with a more intense game. That was almost non-checking for the most part, which is why some guys were so surprised when they got blown up haha.

Please for the love of all that is holy get Doughty a partner of any kind, just don't want to see the guy waste his career next to scrubs.

He could've chosen to leave. He made his bed.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

This is the Lombardi effect on giving long term bloated contracts to Brown, Carter, Kopitar, Quick, Kovalchuk(short term bloated), and Doughty(that's on Robitaille). Plus still having Richards/Phaneuf cap hits as well. There has been no cap room for them to bring in serviceable FA d-man who could play top minutes or even FA forwards for 2ndary scoring.

So much wrong with this post i had to say something. First off Lombardi had nothing to do with Carters and Kovachuk contracts. Carter contract was signed in Philly and it was Blake that signed Kova Next the kings still have like 6 k in cap space thats more then enough room to bring in a ufa should they want to or fa 2ndary scoring.

 

[Evgeny Oliker]

What can you tell me about Anderson?

Is he an offensive D or defensive D? Or more of a 2-way?

Upside? Style comparison?


Thanks !

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

For the record, I'm just a lot more analytical than most because I have the experience playing goalie. Yes a goalie can make multiple mistakes on the same play and that is what happened to Quick on that play. A much higher percentage of goals are scored on the fore-hand than the back-hand. Quick should have played the percentages, taking away Stone's option to use his fore-hand all together and forcing him to score on his back-hand. If Stone still scored on back-hand, then more power to him and a great back-hand shot!

Also, you can slow frame(pause/play the clip on NHL.com) the play and see when Quick moved to his right, Stone had already switched back to his fore-hand. Quick is a veteran goalie and not some rookie. Even if his quick athleticism has gone down a notch because of age/injuries, his experience has to come to the forefront in that situation. Quick knows he could have played the situation better. I bet ya Bill Ranford(goalie coach) is telling Quick similar thing. Goaltending is not just athleticism and skill. In some cases you have to use your mental game more than your physical game. Quick had a mental breakdown in those split seconds.

"Quick could have played it better" is a fair criticism.

"Petersen and Campbell would have stopped those" isn't anything but bullshittery. We're talking about breakaways here, I don't care if Petersen is Carey Price, he doesn't simply have a better chance of stopping Mark Stone on a breakaway because of style. That's not a goaltending problem. Quick was 50% on breakaways last night and 0% on own-defenseman snipes. It's misplaced criticism of a guy who played beastmode until his critics found something to pounce on. And I say that as a guy who is fully ready to see his workload reduced.

 

[BiolaRunner]

Quick shouldn't be criticized for last night. An own goal and a breakaway goal.

 

[King'sPawn]

What can you tell me about Anderson?

Is he an offensive D or defensive D? Or more of a 2-way?

Upside? Style comparison?


Thanks !

Talking with a buddy, we liken him a lot to Willie Mitchell.

Solid defensively, but underrated offensive smarts.

He won't wow you with flash, but he will catch you off guard with how quickly he can turn things on you.

 

[King'sPawn]

For the record, I'm just a lot more analytical than most because I have the experience playing goalie. Yes a goalie can make multiple mistakes on the same play and that is what happened to Quick on that play. A much higher percentage of goals are scored on the fore-hand than the back-hand. Quick should have played the percentages, taking away Stone's option to use his fore-hand all together and forcing him to score on his back-hand. If Stone still scored on back-hand, then more power to him and a great back-hand shot!

Also, you can slow frame(pause/play the clip on NHL.com) the play and see when Quick moved to his right, Stone had already switched back to his fore-hand. Quick is a veteran goalie and not some rookie. Even if his quick athleticism has gone down a notch because of age/injuries, his experience has to come to the forefront in that situation. Quick knows he could have played the situation better. I bet ya Bill Ranford(goalie coach) is telling Quick similar thing. Goaltending is not just athleticism and skill. In some cases you have to use your mental game more than your physical game. Quick had a mental breakdown in those split seconds.

Yes, I saw you say you have played goalie.

Yes, goalies can make multiple mistakes.

But you said he made two mistakes which are opposite of one another.

"He should have stayed at the left post to force the backhand" and "he reacted to the backhand too slow" don't sync up.

But between this and laughing at me for calling a Selke caliber 70 point player very good, I have a feeling we won't agree on much anyway.

 

[crassbonanza]

I'm very impressed with Lizotte so far. From the state of the franchise event where he was getting hyped up by Nelson Emerson, to the rookie games where he was clearly the best player for the Kings, to the actual preseason games where he keeps putting up points. He was a very hyped college free agent and we are now seeing why, I think he is going to be a fun player to watch and a great pickup for the Kings.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'm very impressed with Lizotte so far. From the state of the franchise event where he was getting hyped up by Nelson Emerson, to the rookie games where he was clearly the best player for the Kings, to the actual preseason games where he keeps putting up points. He was a very hyped college free agent and we are now seeing why, I think he is going to be a fun player to watch and a great pickup for the Kings.

He's very crafty, and reminds me a lot of all the good parts of Leipsic. Maybe that's another reason they were so comfortable letting him go. Very creative, isn't going to win a physical battle with size but he's great at digging and spinning off contact to come out with the puck, gets under people. Lot of fun to watch.