Player Discussion: Heinola Thread

[DRW204]

I think they like Samberg and Stanley more cuz of their size. Ville Is a smaller offensive D who would work well with Demelo and run the pp.

I'd trade Dillon. Move on from Beaulieu.
And likely go

Josh Nate
Stanley(Samberg) Pionk
Heinola Demelo

Sam or Stan are your extra D.

That's all off season stuff tho

And likely the hopeful plan they do have. Pionk needs a defensive guy... Josh with a capable partner is just a legit 1 LHD. He's a stud in both ends. Pionk sucks defensively. Feel they groom Samberg and Stanley in to that type and 1 plays with him

I think Samberg honestly ends up with pionk one day and ville is likely dealt because other teams probably value his offensive ability more than we do

we aren’t trading Heinola anytime soon. The writing is on the wall that both he and Samberg will be marinating in the AHL and riding out their ELCs with the Moose.

what has more trade value

good ol' North American Dman that has size (6'3)

or

small-ish (roughly listed the same size as Morrissey, Schmidt, Pionk) European dman that can put up points and move the puck

idk, think GMs salivate overpaying for guys like Samberg or Stanley.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Moritz Seider drafted 6th overall same year as Ville just started full time with Detroit this season. Nothing wrong with letting ville and samberg( who has zero value atm) gain experience with the Moose

 

[surixon]

what has more trade value

good ol' North American Dman that has size (6'3)

or

small-ish (roughly listed the same size as Morrissey, Schmidt, Pionk) European dman that can put up points and move the puck

idk, think GMs salivate overpaying for guys like Samberg or Stanley.

Depends on the team. Montreal is all over their big mean dmen that can't play all that well.

Other teams like Nashville, Colorado, Canes are happy to keep drafting and playing their smaller high skilled dmen. Add the Ducks to that list with Drysdale.

Chevy likes Ville and Ville will find his way into the lineup full time at some point in the near future imo.

 

[Daximus]

Depends on the team. Montreal is all over their big mean dmen that can't play all that well.

Other teams like Nashville, Colorado, Canes are happy to keep drafting and playing their smaller high skilled dmen. Add the Ducks to that list with Drysdale.

Chevy likes Ville and Ville will find his way into the lineup full time at some point in the near future imo.

They have to beat out the guys that are currently on the roster and I don't think they really did that in camp. Both Heinola and Samberg will get plenty of opportunity to prove they can be useful. I was hoping 1 of them would platoon with Stanley but our cap space situation has made it so we can't really carry any extras. Once Beau goes to FA next year I think we could easily carry both of them and 1 extra forward on the roster and then just cycle through some guys. Having an 8 man Dcore of Morrissey, Schmidt, Pionk, Dillon, DeMelo, Stanley, Heinola and Samberg would be pretty nice. Especially since both Heinola and Samberg can play both sides.

 

[voyageur]

They have to beat out the guys that are currently on the roster and I don't think they really did that in camp. Both Heinola and Samberg will get plenty of opportunity to prove they can be useful. I was hoping 1 of them would platoon with Stanley but our cap space situation has made it so we can't really carry any extras. Once Beau goes to FA next year I think we could easily carry both of them and 1 extra forward on the roster and then just cycle through some guys. Having an 8 man Dcore of Morrissey, Schmidt, Pionk, Dillon, DeMelo, Stanley, Heinola and Samberg would be pretty nice. Especially since both Heinola and Samberg can play both sides.

I'm not entirely sure the Jets move Beaulieu if the PK doesn't improve. He might be a guy you keep around at league minimum, good vet, doesn't complain. You can't bump out the top 6 and think you won't shake their confidence, and you can't carry rookies and not play them, that's wasting talent. Could Kovacevic be a #7? That's the offseason question I suspect.

I'd like to know what Moose fans or regular observers think about Heinola vs. Samberg. Heinola plays PP minutes, and that replaces Schmidt. Samberg plays PK minutes and that replaces Dillon. Which of those 2 roles do you think has an edge? And where's the potential for improvement on the Jets? Is Heinola getting PK reps on the Moose? Because to be a complete player he needs to factor in all special teams.

Is the age of Samberg a factor too, because physically he's going to be 23 soon, and that's prime time? Or did we all overhype this kid not so long ago?

Morrissey being able to kill penalties behind Stanley is an option, but under the current window, I don't see how Heinola gets many minutes, unless it's a 7 d situation, that limits some of Dillon or Stanley's 5 on 5 minutes.

 

[Daximus]

I'm not entirely sure the Jets move Beaulieu if the PK doesn't improve. He might be a guy you keep around at league minimum, good vet, doesn't complain. You can't bump out the top 6 and think you won't shake their confidence, and you can't carry rookies and not play them, that's wasting talent. Could Kovacevic be a #7? That's the offseason question I suspect.

I'd like to know what Moose fans or regular observers think about Heinola vs. Samberg. Heinola plays PP minutes, and that replaces Schmidt. Samberg plays PK minutes and that replaces Dillon. Which of those 2 roles do you think has an edge? And where's the potential for improvement on the Jets? Is Heinola getting PK reps on the Moose? Because to be a complete player he needs to factor in all special teams.

Is the age of Samberg a factor too, because physically he's going to be 23 soon, and that's prime time? Or did we all overhype this kid not so long ago?

Morrissey being able to kill penalties behind Stanley is an option, but under the current window, I don't see how Heinola gets many minutes, unless it's a 7 d situation, that limits some of Dillon or Stanley's 5 on 5 minutes.

I think the org moves on from Beau and gives at least 1 if not 2 of the kids a shot at some platoon playing time, he's an okay PKer, certainly not a world beater and certainly not irreplaceable. Kovacevik will likely have to beat out either of Samberg/Heinola in camp to be an option, could very well happen to Heinola as he is still waiver eligible.

Samberg and Kovacevik can PK so we know that they can be an option there. Heinola is more of a PP specialist and would likely be a deep PK option. All in all we would moreso be using Heinola and Samberg to come in and give guys rest. If we are bringing in Heinola it's likely he replaces someone like Schmidt, Pionk or Morrissey in the lineup. If we bring in Samberg or Kovacevik they would replace Stanley, DeMelo or Dillon. As much as I like the way Stanley has progressed his job is probably the most in jeopardy to guys like Samberg and Kovacevik as both are pretty capable skaters and bring some physicality in their game. Neither of them are really small players and both have potential to be able to bring just as much if not more offence than Stanley has.

For now Stanley's job is pretty safe but by next training camp things could be wildly different.

 

[surixon]

I'm not entirely sure the Jets move Beaulieu if the PK doesn't improve. He might be a guy you keep around at league minimum, good vet, doesn't complain. You can't bump out the top 6 and think you won't shake their confidence, and you can't carry rookies and not play them, that's wasting talent. Could Kovacevic be a #7? That's the offseason question I suspect.

I'd like to know what Moose fans or regular observers think about Heinola vs. Samberg. Heinola plays PP minutes, and that replaces Schmidt. Samberg plays PK minutes and that replaces Dillon. Which of those 2 roles do you think has an edge? And where's the potential for improvement on the Jets? Is Heinola getting PK reps on the Moose? Because to be a complete player he needs to factor in all special teams.

Is the age of Samberg a factor too, because physically he's going to be 23 soon, and that's prime time? Or did we all overhype this kid not so long ago?

Morrissey being able to kill penalties behind Stanley is an option, but under the current window, I don't see how Heinola gets many minutes, unless it's a 7 d situation, that limits some of Dillon or Stanley's 5 on 5 minutes.

Heinola has been significantly more impactful then Samberg to date on the Moose. To be fair Dylan is just coming off of an injury but he was very disappointing last year and he's had an uneven start this year.

He has a long way to go to be in the mix for an NHL spot imo.

 

[DRW204]

I'm not entirely sure the Jets move Beaulieu if the PK doesn't improve. He might be a guy you keep around at league minimum, good vet, doesn't complain. You can't bump out the top 6 and think you won't shake their confidence, and you can't carry rookies and not play them, that's wasting talent. Could Kovacevic be a #7? That's the offseason question I suspect.

I'd like to know what Moose fans or regular observers think about Heinola vs. Samberg. Heinola plays PP minutes, and that replaces Schmidt. Samberg plays PK minutes and that replaces Dillon. Which of those 2 roles do you think has an edge? And where's the potential for improvement on the Jets? Is Heinola getting PK reps on the Moose? Because to be a complete player he needs to factor in all special teams.

Is the age of Samberg a factor too, because physically he's going to be 23 soon, and that's prime time? Or did we all overhype this kid not so long ago?

Morrissey being able to kill penalties behind Stanley is an option, but under the current window, I don't see how Heinola gets many minutes, unless it's a 7 d situation, that limits some of Dillon or Stanley's 5 on 5 minutes.

Heinola has been significantly more impactful then Samberg to date on the Moose. To be fair Dylan is just coming off of an injury but he was very disappointing last year and he's had an uneven start this year.

He has a long way to go to be in the mix for an NHL spot imo.

personally believe samberg has always been quite overhyped on here/in general. whenever people use heinola/samberg interchangeably in terms of player quality or value, imo it's quite a disservice to heinola.

 

[LowLefty]

personally believe samberg has always been quite overhyped on here/in general. whenever people use heinola/samberg interchangeably in terms of player quality or value, imo it's quite a disservice to heinola.

They are two very different dmen -
Samberg is hyped here probably based on his defense / size / all around impact - especially LY when we were desperate for dmen that could manage the dzone.
Maybe it was more of a hope / prayer type dialogue considering how badly we needed someone to swoop in and save us from the perpetual cycle that tool place in our zone.
And then we picked up a couple of guys and Stan came alone - the dialogue died down at that point.

Ville has always been hyped and that will continue - he brings offense that seems to drive the value of D men (ironically) and this board is no different.

They shouldn't be discussed in the same breath - they are so different.

Their value (going forward) might depend on what we need at the time -

 

[scelaton]

They are two very different dmen -
Samberg is hyped here probably based on his defense / size / all around impact - especially LY when we were desperate for dmen that could manage the dzone.
Maybe it was more of a hope / prayer type dialogue considering how badly we needed someone to swoop in and save us from the perpetual cycle that tool place in our zone.
And then we picked up a couple of guys and Stan came alone - the dialogue died down at that point.

Ville has always been hyped and that will continue - he brings offense that seems to drive the value of D men (ironically) and this board is no different.

They shouldn't be discussed in the same breath - they are so different.

Their value (going forward) might depend on what we need at the time -

Agree with this and would add that Stanley has also recently been hyped, after being slagged for years. All three are different and there is no way all three are in the Jets organization in 2-3 years.

The questions to be asked now are:
1) who is the best fit for the next year or two
2)who has the most upside
2)who can get us the most in trade

1--In my mind, Stanley fits best right now in the mix and Heinola will be the first called up for injury replacement. If Ville takes advantage and plays to his potential that could change the calculus altogethers, but if he plays like he did in training camp....

2--Heinola has first pair potential but has a low floor. Stanley is not looking like Chara-lite to me and I see a second pairing ceiling, with a unique size advantage. Samberg is still an unknown.

3--Samberg has the least value in trade, Heinola has much more, but Stanley has significant trade value at this point. I see playing him through his current contract but keeping an eye out for an irresistible deal. There are probably still a few GMs that see him as a potential Chara.

 

[buggs]

I think the org moves on from Beau and gives at least 1 if not 2 of the kids a shot at some platoon playing time, he's an okay PKer, certainly not a world beater and certainly not irreplaceable. Kovacevik will likely have to beat out either of Samberg/Heinola in camp to be an option, could very well happen to Heinola as he is still waiver eligible.

Samberg and Kovacevik can PK so we know that they can be an option there. Heinola is more of a PP specialist and would likely be a deep PK option. All in all we would moreso be using Heinola and Samberg to come in and give guys rest. If we are bringing in Heinola it's likely he replaces someone like Schmidt, Pionk or Morrissey in the lineup. If we bring in Samberg or Kovacevik they would replace Stanley, DeMelo or Dillon. As much as I like the way Stanley has progressed his job is probably the most in jeopardy to guys like Samberg and Kovacevik as both are pretty capable skaters and bring some physicality in their game. Neither of them are really small players and both have potential to be able to bring just as much if not more offence than Stanley has.

For now Stanley's job is pretty safe but by next training camp things could be wildly different.

I think the PK is more of a systems/style situation than a personnel issue tbh. Yeah, some guys don't excel on it but if we adapted a little beyond the passive approach we're currently using a guy like Beaulieu is easily dispensable as opposed to thinking he's part of the solution. Honestly so frustrating watching our static special teams approach. Neither are particularly hard to play against. (sorry, I think I meant to post this in response to someone else's post but I typed it out, so here it stays)

I like Stanley but his ceiling is still somewhat limited. He's a good 3rd pairing guy and I definitely like the size and toughness he brings. He's definitely not afraid of anyone (even if maybe he should be more cautious) and I think he's helped with team toughness, for whatever that's worth. But I've always though Heinola and Samberg have the higher ceiling and still do. Very different styles of play between those two and yeah, Samberg may be a Stanley replacement if the Jets need to move on from someone.

Gotta wonder if Samberg regrets coming out a year early though?

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think the PK is more of a systems/style situation than a personnel issue tbh. Yeah, some guys don't excel on it but if we adapted a little beyond the passive approach we're currently using a guy like Beaulieu is easily dispensable as opposed to thinking he's part of the solution. Honestly so frustrating watching our static special teams approach. Neither are particularly hard to play against. (sorry, I think I meant to post this in response to someone else's post but I typed it out, so here it stays)

I like Stanley but his ceiling is still somewhat limited. He's a good 3rd pairing guy and I definitely like the size and toughness he brings. He's definitely not afraid of anyone (even if maybe he should be more cautious) and I think he's helped with team toughness, for whatever that's worth. But I've always though Heinola and Samberg have the higher ceiling and still do. Very different styles of play between those two and yeah, Samberg may be a Stanley replacement if the Jets need to move on from someone.

Gotta wonder if Samberg regrets coming out a year early though?

Have not been impressed by Samberg and Heinola simply brings more of the same.

 

[KingBogo]

Agree with this and would add that Stanley has also recently been hyped, after being slagged for years. All three are different and there is no way all three are in the Jets organization in 2-3 years.

The questions to be asked now are:
1) who is the best fit for the next year or two
2)who has the most upside
2)who can get us the most in trade

1--In my mind, Stanley fits best right now in the mix and Heinola will be the first called up for injury replacement. If Ville takes advantage and plays to his potential that could change the calculus altogethers, but if he plays like he did in training camp....

2--Heinola has first pair potential but has a low floor. Stanley is not looking like Chara-lite to me and I see a second pairing ceiling, with a unique size advantage. Samberg is still an unknown.

3--Samberg has the least value in trade, Heinola has much more, but Stanley has significant trade value at this point. I see playing him through his current contract but keeping an eye out for an irresistible deal. There are probably still a few GMs that see him as a potential Chara.

I don't mind the reasoning, by why are you so sure that all of Stanley, Samberg and Heinola won't be part of the organization in 2-3 years? Their contract statuses actually lines up nicely to replace the older vets in the 30 y/o range as they age out. I guess it depends on how long you think it will take for Heinola and Samberg to develop, but I don't know if the Jets are in any hurry to move any d prospects any time soon especially when you don't know yet how each will develop.

 

[voyageur]

I think the PK is more of a systems/style situation than a personnel issue tbh. Yeah, some guys don't excel on it but if we adapted a little beyond the passive approach we're currently using a guy like Beaulieu is easily dispensable as opposed to thinking he's part of the solution. Honestly so frustrating watching our static special teams approach. Neither are particularly hard to play against. (sorry, I think I meant to post this in response to someone else's post but I typed it out, so here it stays)

I like Stanley but his ceiling is still somewhat limited. He's a good 3rd pairing guy and I definitely like the size and toughness he brings. He's definitely not afraid of anyone (even if maybe he should be more cautious) and I think he's helped with team toughness, for whatever that's worth. But I've always though Heinola and Samberg have the higher ceiling and still do. Very different styles of play between those two and yeah, Samberg may be a Stanley replacement if the Jets need to move on from someone.

Gotta wonder if Samberg regrets coming out a year early though?

I think it helps to be big on the PK. Guys that can win board battles in the defensive zone. Like Buff, like Benny, like Trouba, like Stanley now. The smaller guys can get by on smarts but when you crash the net, or play a heavy cycle game, what are they going to do? Jets are trending to a smaller defense, especially if Heinola were to replace a bigger guy like Dillon or Stanley. I'd say it's personnel and style too. That's where Samberg and Kovacevic have a future, if they can effectively move the puck and defend at the NHL level. With Schmidt, Morrissey, Pionk you already have 3 PP guys, and you aren't going to two units of 2 d-men, when you have guys like Perfetti coming up the ranks to replace people, and you still need a decent PK group, or you will lose games. The Jets started with Morrissey-Schmidt as the 2nd PK unit this year. That didn't last. Heinola makes no improvements in this area, which is fundamental. So 5 on 5 he has to be quite dominant to negate the impact of a poor PK, which is almost to be expected with the personnel here. Either that or Josh needs to step up. And we still don't have an effective 2nd RD PKer, which is the role Beaulieu has filled well. Maybe the opening for Kovacevic. I think some roles don't get respected enough. Because some people don't see the value, or don't see that in the end special teams decides many games.

Interesting to read how many people are not very sold on Samberg anymore.

 

[surixon]

I think it helps to be big on the PK. Guys that can win board battles in the defensive zone. Like Buff, like Benny, like Trouba, like Stanley now. The smaller guys can get by on smarts but when you crash the net, or play a heavy cycle game, what are they going to do? Jets are trending to a smaller defense, especially if Heinola were to replace a bigger guy like Dillon or Stanley. I'd say it's personnel and style too. That's where Samberg and Kovacevic have a future, if they can effectively move the puck and defend at the NHL level. With Schmidt, Morrissey, Pionk you already have 3 PP guys, and you aren't going to two units of 2 d-men, when you have guys like Perfetti coming up the ranks to replace people, and you still need a decent PK group, or you will lose games. The Jets started with Morrissey-Schmidt as the 2nd PK unit this year. That didn't last. Heinola makes no improvements in this area, which is fundamental. So 5 on 5 he has to be quite dominant to negate the impact of a poor PK, which is almost to be expected with the personnel here. Either that or Josh needs to step up. And we still don't have an effective 2nd RD PKer, which is the role Beaulieu has filled well. Maybe the opening for Kovacevic. I think some roles don't get respected enough. Because some people don't see the value, or don't see that in the end special teams decides many games.

Interesting to read how many people are not very sold on Samberg anymore.

Well Samberg didn't exactly help his stock with a pretty poor year on the Moose last year. Imo he's been passed on the depth chart by Stanley, Heinola, and Kovacevik. I'd also argue Chisholm is quickly closing the gap on him as well.

It's a tough business and he really hasn't performed since exiting college. Plenty of time to turn it aroubd this year but he's being outplayed by his peers so far.

 

[LowLefty]

I think the PK is more of a systems/style situation than a personnel issue tbh. Yeah, some guys don't excel on it but if we adapted a little beyond the passive approach we're currently using a guy like Beaulieu is easily dispensable as opposed to thinking he's part of the solution. Honestly so frustrating watching our static special teams approach. Neither are particularly hard to play against. (sorry, I think I meant to post this in response to someone else's post but I typed it out, so here it stays)

I like Stanley but his ceiling is still somewhat limited. He's a good 3rd pairing guy and I definitely like the size and toughness he brings. He's definitely not afraid of anyone (even if maybe he should be more cautious) and I think he's helped with team toughness, for whatever that's worth. But I've always though Heinola and Samberg have the higher ceiling and still do. Very different styles of play between those two and yeah, Samberg may be a Stanley replacement if the Jets need to move on from someone.

Gotta wonder if Samberg regrets coming out a year early though?

I think he continues to surprise us.
Based on his play now, as a 23 yr old dman, I'd like to think there is much more.
He brings more than size and toughness already

 

[DRW204]

I think the PK is more of a systems/style situation than a personnel issue tbh. Yeah, some guys don't excel on it but if we adapted a little beyond the passive approach we're currently using a guy like Beaulieu is easily dispensable as opposed to thinking he's part of the solution. Honestly so frustrating watching our static special teams approach. Neither are particularly hard to play against. (sorry, I think I meant to post this in response to someone else's post but I typed it out, so here it stays)

I like Stanley but his ceiling is still somewhat limited. He's a good 3rd pairing guy and I definitely like the size and toughness he brings. He's definitely not afraid of anyone (even if maybe he should be more cautious) and I think he's helped with team toughness, for whatever that's worth. But I've always though Heinola and Samberg have the higher ceiling and still do. Very different styles of play between those two and yeah, Samberg may be a Stanley replacement if the Jets need to move on from someone.

Gotta wonder if Samberg regrets coming out a year early though?

the PK is systems issue imo. i think it was Gmoney who provided an analysis of the Jets PK shot/chances against rates, and basically they've been similar rankings year-in year-out, regardless of personnel.

i think 23 going on 24, by now you should be seeing semblances of stanleys ceiling.... and it's definitely not Chara like fans like to regurgitate.

 

[surixon]

the PK is systems issue imo. i think it was Gmoney who provided an analysis of the Jets PK shot/chances against rates, and basically they've been similar rankings year-in year-out, regardless of personnel.

i think 23 going on 24, by now you should be seeing semblances of stanleys ceiling.... and it's definitely not Chara like fans like to regurgitate.

Yup hes entering his physical prime now. I expect some incremental improvement but I don't expect a massive jump in ability.

He's had issues with getting his shot on target since he was 17, no idea why some expect it to magically get better now. His development has been consistiently gradual so once again no real basis to predict a massive jump.

 

[DRW204]

Yup hes entering his physical prime now. I expect some incremental improvement but I don't expect a massive jump in ability.

He's had issues with getting his shot on target since he was 17, no idea why some expect it to magically get better now. His development has been consistiently gradual so once again no real basis to predict a massive jump.

his offense is real limited in general and i feel many offensive opportunities die when the pucks on his stick. 0 creativity and just leads to the lowest % shots on net. i think he does fine defending, at times i think he can use his reach to make up for his lack of quickness or agility (think easier said than done) but there are times where when he's out there against top-6ers you can see the limitations in his own end. they've done a good job sheltering him i think demelo generally is a great partner for lots of dmen b/c he traditionally breaks up plays in the dzone before they become actual plays. maybe stanley can become brandon carlo? he's years behind that trajectory and i don't know when he'll get similar opportunity with Dillon and Morrissey ahead of him. the chara comparisons were always unjust for him imo.

 

[surixon]

his offense is real limited in general and i feel many offensive opportunities die when the pucks on his stick. 0 creativity and just leads to the lowest % shots on net. i think he does fine defending, at times i think he can use his reach to make up for his lack of quickness or agility (think easier said than done) but there are times where when he's out there against top-6ers you can see the limitations in his own end. they've done a good job sheltering him i think demelo generally is a great partner for lots of dmen b/c he traditionally breaks up plays in the dzone before they become actual plays. maybe stanley can become brandon carlo? he's years behind that trajectory and i don't know when he'll get similar opportunity with Dillon and Morrissey ahead of him. the chara comparisons were always unjust for him imo.

Yeah, Chara was a 1 in a million development trajectory. Much more likely he is an Oleksiak, Dillion, Colburn etc. Type of dmen.

 

[LowLefty]

the PK is systems issue imo. i think it was Gmoney who provided an analysis of the Jets PK shot/chances against rates, and basically they've been similar rankings year-in year-out, regardless of personnel.

i think 23 going on 24, by now you should be seeing semblances of stanleys ceiling.... and it's definitely not Chara like fans like to regurgitate.

Doesn't have to be Chara level to be good (or very good) - and Dmen tend to peak a little later so I would not call his ceiling now.

 

[surixon]

Doesn't have to be Chara level to be good (or very good) - and Dmen tend to peak a little later so I would not call his ceiling now.

I think your last part is a bit of a myth. They don't tend to peak any later then forwards, ditto with goalies. I think it just seems that way as there are less defensive positions in hockey and it can take longer to break into an NHL spot due to more roster scarcity.

 

[DRW204]

Doesn't have to be Chara level to be good (or very good) - and Dmen tend to peak a little later so I would not call his ceiling now.

perhaps in the past, but these days it seems like they peak younger. is stanley at 23-24 going to all of a sudden find offense? or become a stalwart defensively to regularly defend above a 3rd pair level?



edit - when i say peak i mean best year(s) come early on. not to say they are all of a sudden bad players as they age.

 

[scelaton]

I don't mind the reasoning, by why are you so sure that all of Stanley, Samberg and Heinola won't be part of the organization in 2-3 years? Their contract statuses actually lines up nicely to replace the older vets in the 30 y/o range as they age out. I guess it depends on how long you think it will take for Heinola and Samberg to develop, but I don't know if the Jets are in any hurry to move any d prospects any time soon especially when you don't know yet how each will develop.

My reasoning is that Morrissey is 26 years old and will be a top-4 LHD for the next number of years. That leaves Stanley, Heinola, Samberg and Chisholm all fighting for 2 LD spots. Stanley is already NHL-ready so that is really only 1 spot for Heinola, Chisholm and Samberg.
I am also convinced the Jets want a mix of size and skill with their D--at least 2 big D, if not 3 . With Pionk and Morrissey signed for 4-6 years, that doesn't leave much room for Heinola, unless he blows the doors down. So:
-if Kovacevic can be a 3RD and Stanley could garner a high first round pick, it makes him a tempting target to trade.
-If Chisholm keeps progressing but Kovacevic does not, we could keep Stanley and hope Heinola fetches something tempting in trade.
Lots of moving pieces and it's much more about the mix than any individual D... but I just don't see all our LD remaining here in the medium term.

 

[KingBogo]

My reasoning is that Morrissey is 26 years old and will be a top-4 LHD for the next number of years. That leaves Stanley, Heinola, Samberg and Chisholm all fighting for 2 LD spots. Stanley is already NHL-ready so that is really only 1 spot for Heinola, Chisholm and Samberg.
I am also convinced the Jets want a mix of size and skill with their D--at least 2 big D, if not 3 . With Pionk and Morrissey signed for 4-6 years, that doesn't leave much room for Heinola, unless he blows the doors down. So:
-if Kovacevic can be a 3RD and Stanley could garner a high first round pick, it makes him a tempting target to trade.
-If Chisholm keeps progressing but Kovacevic does not, we could keep Stanley and hope Heinola fetches something tempting in trade.
Lots of moving pieces and it's much more about the mix than any individual D... but I just don't see all our LD remaining here in the medium term.

I get the reasoning I just think fans try to solve problems well before they need to be solved. Heinola is on year 1 of his ELC and Samberg is on year 2 so no need to rush. We also don’t know how they will develop. We also don’t know how Stanley will continue to develop. His trajectory has been pretty impressive in a little over a year. IMO you don’t move anyone until you know for sure what you got. Also shit always happens so we don’t know what shake ups are going to happen over the next couple years. Just look what transpired over the last few years. Trouba demanded the Rangers, Buff quit hockey, Little had a career ending injury and Our highest ever 2.0 draft pick had to be moved. I think Chevy slow plays things and takes it season by season.