Confirmed with Link: Head Coach Vacancy Pt IV — Rangers get permission to speak to Ruff

[Rangers79]

If Gretz or Mess want the job let them be assistants, especially Mess. The guy has coached at 1 or 2 crappy international tournaments. My god, all he has is name value. I'd rather have just kept Torts if they hire Mess, at least Torts has coaches and knows what the hell he is doing,m his system just didn't work here anymore.

 

[Hitch16]

**** no.

Those are my thoughts.

The Whale completely fell apart late in the season when they were challenging for a playoff spot. And I'd argue that they had a pretty good AHL roster. He needs to stay far, far away from this team.

Grind Jam Grind - you are very non-committal on your answer. It sounds like you aren't sure??

I don't follow the AHL team as much as I'd like but if I could read between the lines, it sounds like you maaaaaayyyy be against Gernander.

Thank you for the reply.

 

[Trxjw]

Wonder if John Hynes is getting any consideration. He's done well as a assistant and head coach of the WBS Pens and spent several years with the USNTDP. Medaled 3 times with the U-18 squad. He's only 37 though. Might be rocking the boat a little too much.

 

[NikC]

Since Tortorellas "system" amounted to nothing more than running 2 lines/2 pairings into the ground and moving targets defense, I'd say Messier already has a clear advantage...

And at least Messier is really tough, as opposed to that phony loud mouth.

 

[Vickers8]

Since Tortorellas "system" amounted to nothing more than running 2 lines/2 pairings into the ground and moving targets defense, I'd say Messier already has a clear advantage...

And at least Messier is really tough, as opposed to that phony loud mouth.

Your avatar is hilarious nik

 

[ZenBaja]

If they were smart, they'd offer whatever $$ it takes to get Larry Robinson to change his mind about head coaching.

I just hope it isn't Lindy Ruff. I don't mind the rest front runners.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Since Tortorellas "system" amounted to nothing more than running 2 lines/2 pairings into the ground and moving targets defense, I'd say Messier already has a clear advantage...

And at least Messier is really tough, as opposed to that phony loud mouth.

How do we know if he's tough? At least behind the bench. The fact that he has barely to nearly no HC experience makes it a very low probability chance that he should be HC.

 

[NikC]

Your avatar is hilarious nik

thanks bro. I make them per request...

 

[GordonGecko]

So the prerequisite of becoming a great NHL coach (and thats what hell have to be, to get the Rangers a Cup in his first coaching stint) is simply being a born leader?

Essentially, yes.

A coach's most important trait has to be the ability to motivate and get the most out of his players. In terms of actual hockey knowledge & skill, there is no doubt Messier possesses it. The only question is how good of an X's & O's guy is he. I'm willing to take the chance that he will do well, especially if he surrounds himself with the right people

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

The other way would be to bring in an AV, and let Mess be an assistant, learning, but after hearing Melrose saying the Rangers should hire AV , now I'm not sure about him, I have zero respect for Melrose's opinion...

1) You can't bring in AV and then force Messier upon him. AV needs to be allowed to pick his own staff. If he wants Messier and Messier is amenable to being an assistant, that's a different story.

2) Why does Messier have to be part of the coaching staff?

3) I would put some credence in anything Melrose says if I actually believed he put any thought into it.

 

[eco's bones]

Its unbelievable to me that, after months and months of complaining about Tortorella's system, fans would be open to Mark Messier coaching this team with literally no information available to determine the type of system and coaching philosophy he'd employ.

Not unbelievable to me--just ****ing sad.

Back to the Bruins as a model. No superstar forwards but 4 excellent to very good lines--players that accept their roles--they cover the bases from special teams to physical size to toughness to defensive awareness--to playing a tough game if they need to--to a skill game if they need to--any way that they have to to win. It doesn't matter how many goals you win by--it matter that you win. Julien and his coaching staff are also a model.

Personally I think it's stupid to put the team in the hands of a guy who's never coached before--and especially an iconic figure like Messier. It only makes it more difficult and distracting to get rid of him if the team fails.

 

[Vickers8]

1) You can't bring in AV and then force Messier upon him. AV needs to be allowed to pick his own staff. If he wants Messier and Messier is amenable to being an assistant, that's a different story.

2) Why does Messier have to be part of the coaching staff?

3) I would put some credence in anything Melrose says if I actually believed he put any thought into it.

#2 learning experience, every coach starts some where
#3 Melrose is the guy that thought Stamkos couldn't play?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Essentially, yes.

A coach's most important trait has to be the ability to motivate and get the most out of his players. In terms of actual hockey knowledge & skill, there is no doubt Messier possesses it. The only question is how good of an X's & O's guy is he. I'm willing to take the chance that he will do well, especially if he surrounds himself with the right people

Messier did it on the ice. Theres no evidence whatsoever to suggest he can get the same reaction out of players that are not his teammates.

Messier already set back this franchise several years during his 2nd stint here as a player -- lets all pray he doesnt do it again in his first stint ever as an NHL coach.

Ill always be thankful for what he did in '94 - as a player. But the man has an ego the size of Manhattan -- hes done nothing to deserve the NYR coaching job on a silver platter.

 

[Bluenote13]

Wonder if John Hynes is getting any consideration. He's done well as a assistant and head coach of the WBS Pens and spent several years with the USNTDP. Medaled 3 times with the U-18 squad. He's only 37 though. Might be rocking the boat a little too much.

Good name to put out there, he's got a future, but most likely with a young team not looking to 'take the next step'

And yes, a coach needs to be a good leader, but part of that is having the respect of an entire team. If you struggle with basic X and O's of the game your team's not gonna listen to the Ra-Ra-Ra crap, and vice versa. A good Pro coach should have chutzspah, ego and know when and where to use it. I like Tippett, he's never too far up or too far down on average, he holds the ship together either way.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

#2 learning experience, every coach starts some where
#3 Melrose is the guy that thought Stamkos couldn't play?

The only way I want Messier as part of the coaching staff is if the new coach wants him. If he doesn't then Mess can continue in his current capacity. Of if he's suddenly hell-beant on being a coach, he can go coach somewhere.

You have to let the new coach hire his own staff. Personally, I don't want to take this job and have a GM-forced Mark Messier looking over my shoulder.

And, yes, Melrose is a disgrace.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

1) You can't bring in AV and then force Messier upon him. AV needs to be allowed to pick his own staff. If he wants Messier and Messier is amenable to being an assistant, that's a different story.

2) Why does Messier have to be part of the coaching staff?

3) I would put some credence in anything Melrose says if I actually believed he put any thought into it.

In response...

1- HC's need to choose their own personnel. Usually, they choose people that *should* be of actual assistance. IE running a PP, defensive work like Sullivan did. In connection to #2, I don't see why everyone is trying to mash Messier in either. It's the new hot thing cause he was with the Rangers and was well liked and respected. Doesn't mean he'd be like that in the coaching position, so in agreement with 1 and 2.

For 3, I think Melrose is an idiot. He just gets paid to say stupid things and stir it up. I doubt anything he says will be taken serious anymore.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Good name to put out there, he's got a future, but most likely with a young team not looking to 'take the next step'

And yes, a coach needs to be a good leader, but part of that is having the respect of an entire team. If you struggle with basic X and O's of the game your team's not gonna listen to the Ra-Ra-Ra crap, and vice versa. A good Pro coach should have chutzspah, ego and know when and where to use it. I like Tippett, he's never too far up or too far down on average, he holds the ship together either way.

What are your thoughts on Bob Woods?

 

[Jersey Girl]

Let Messier go to the minors or junior to coach a couple of years, then if we need a coach down the road, Sather can hire Messier if he proved he can coach.

Insanity to bring a non-coach in to coach our team at this point. Cannot believe anyone is actually advocating this as a serious consideration.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Let Messier go to the minors or junior to coach a couple of years, then if we need a coach down the road, Sather can hire Messier if he proved he can coach.

Insanity to bring a non-coach in to coach our team at this point. Cannot believe anyone is actually advocating this as a serious consideration.

It's cause he's Mark Messier That's the ONLY REASON people think he'd be mega successful behind the bench.

Now you bring up an interesting point saying down the road. How far down the road do you imply? Brings up the decisions of whether or not this team is going to try to win now or start over again.

 

[Miamipuck]

Ill always be thankful for what he did in '94 - as a player.....hes done nothing to deserve the NYR coaching job on a silver platter.

I am not getting into the good/bad of Messier as a player but this is in essence my opinion.

You need your head examined if you think Messier would be a worthy candidate. It's such an unbelievably stupid choice for Sather. He's made one of those (Trottier) but hey at least BT had prior coaching experience.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

It's cause he's Mark Messier That's the ONLY REASON people think he'd be mega successful behind the bench.

Now you bring up an interesting point saying down the road. How far down the road do you imply? Brings up the decisions of whether or not this team is going to try to win now or start over again.

For me, its far enough down the road to prove that Messier is interested and committed to the craft of being a head coach. As you stated, this is a situation where Messier would be handed an NHL coaching job because he helped the team win a cup as a player 20 years ago. Its nonsense, and anyone advocating it should have their head examined.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

For me, its far enough down the road to prove that Messier is interested and committed to the craft of being a head coach. As you stated, this is a situation where Messier would be handed an NHL coaching job because he helped the team win a cup as a player 20 years ago. Its nonsense, and anyone advocating it should have their head examined.

Reasonable and fair assessment. If he can work on HC'ing by either doing it at the lower levels and/or assistant coach for lower levels or for Gernander or anything except the big club right now (Maybe even staying out of the A too for now), he can become a reasonable and considerable candidate. But right now, he should not be permitted to start either as an HC or assistant behind the Rangers' bench. No experience. Can go south extremely fast

 

[Bluenote13]

What are your thoughts on Bob Woods?

A good name as well. He played a long time in the minors under a few coaches, good and bad. I remember Ed Johnstone was a fan of his.

Won the AHL Cup with a solid team of guys playing in the big league now. He'd be an asset when we inevitably play the Caps in round one of the '14 playoffs

Caps system has lots of good minor coaches over the years. Terry Murray. Barry Trotz. Tim Army. Bruce Boudreau.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

A good name as well. He played a long time in the minors under a few coaches, good and bad. I remember Ed Johnstone was a fan of his.

Won the AHL Cup with a solid team of guys playing in the big league now. He'd be an asset when we inevitably play the Caps in round one of the '14 playoffs

Caps system has lots of good minor coaches over the years. Terry Murray. Barry Trotz. Tim Army. Bruce Boudreau.

And he was an AC with the Ducks this season, I believe.

 

[Thirty One]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2013/06/30-thoughts-penguins-desperate-for-inspiration.html

Lots of Coaching Talk.

Coaching stuff. Glen Gulutzan's interview with the Vancouver Canucks will be some time this week. I still think there will be more candidates (Kings assistant John Stevens, for example). But there is a growing sense they really like Dallas Eakins, who coaches the AHL Toronto Marlies. Word is Eakins will do a second interview with Vancouver.

Does John Tortorella get an interview in Vancouver? Canucks GM Mike Gillis said in his season-ending media conference that breaking up the team's core wasn't high on his list of priorities. Vancouver has, what, a three-year window with that group? Tortorella took a beating last week. But other NHL executives don't dislike him as much as the media does. They will tell you he is perfect for a "win-now" situation.

12. It's expected Rangers GM Glen Sather will wait a bit to see what happens with Phoenix Coyotes head coach Dave Tippett. But it's not hard to find hockey people who think Vigneault is a great fit for Manhattan. Those same people say Sather thinks highly of both men and would be content with either. That brings us to Mark Messier.

13. Last year, the Edmonton Oilers considered Messier, Brent Sutter, Todd Nelson and Ralph Krueger (who got the job) to replace head coach Tom Renney. There may have been more, but that's who I can pin down. At some point, Messier was offered it. Oilers president Kevin Lowe declined a request to comment, so exact details are sketchy. But Messier considered it, took a little bit of time and said "no" for family reasons.

14. Messier's strengths: "Being a head coach now is about delivering a message," one source said. "And no one delivers a message better than Mark Messier. You have to find good people around him, but that can be done." Obviously, the big question is experience. One coach I've asked about is Luke Richardson, who had a marvelous year of development as head coach of the AHL Binghamton Senators. He's got everyone's respect. But a couple of execs said he's not yet ready, having run his own bench for exactly one season. That's one more than Messier. If decides to pursue the job, it's a tough decision for Sather and the Rangers.